i was just saying if the ban was actually set to 1 month and just expired like u said it would expire on the 16th so i think ur getting lied to here

There is obviously some bs going on.... you are right the dates are not adding up. But the admin I chatted with is not an AC admin and has no reason to lie to me about this.

Also can we just go back to this for a minute please.

"We all know yuri hacked" <--- stuff like this is a major issue. No dflame, you don't. Nor does anyone in this thread. Because there's no proof or actual evidence of anything fishy.

This thread has got a lot of real hackers banned, but you guys really need to look for more proof than a post with 10 upvotes saying 'XX is a dirty hacker'. A lot of people mentioned in this thread were obviously hacking but that doesn't mean that every person mentioned even hacks, let alone hacks to the point where it's "completely obvious and if you are too stupid to realize that then I feel sorry for you."

The second post in this entire thread raised a legitimate concern:

55 downvotes later and you guys feel comfortable ignoring that, but I think you should try to keep it in mind in the future.

I think at a minimum before people make posts like dflame's you at least need to glance at some evidence, yknow? Because otherwise you're going to end up with egg on your face and people incorrectly accused are going to spend time banned unfairly. Hell, half the posts regarding yuri have at least indirectly insulted bdonski; "stop defending your friend who is clearly a hacker" etc etc. Do you really think he's never come across a hacker before? Do you think that he'd spout nonsense without actually looking at the available 'evidence'?

TL;DR downvotes are not proof or evidence

I mean sure we have no actual proof so I do apologize for being a retard but still 96% accuracy seems not legit to me. I'll watch the demos and report back to you guys (even tho these demos have already been reviewed)

Thank you. Also just to nitpick if by 'accuracy' you mean shots hit/shots fired then yuri's accuracy in the game in question was 80% as explained earlier.

This. All of this.

I thought this seemed about right, so I went through about 30000 logs and looked for scatter accuracy above 90% across 2000 or more damage.

I found one log with stark doing 91% accuracy and then 4 of some known hackers. I'll probably try to go through tomorrow and do this again across a larger sample size, I find it interesting to see people who get incredibly high accuracies. If anybody has any other interesting data they want me to look for while I parse all these logs let me know.

Probably worth noting that the glitch as nope described it only (afaik) occurs in logs recorded through TrueTF. Though if you're going back tens of thousands of logs you'll probably be looking at some earlier versions of log systems, so who knows.

So even if the 96% accuracy log just happened to glitch out only on yuri, why would it effect only one player? And what about the other logs here:

http://logs.tf/842934?highlight=76561198044159901 91% scatter
http://logs.tf/872998?highlight=76561198044159901 84% scatter.
http://logs.tf/847368?highlight=76561198044159901 83% scatter
http://logs.tf/850402?highlight=76561198044159901 82% scatter
http://logs.tf/862255?highlight=76561198044159901 81% scatter

http://logs.tf/863819?highlight=76561198044159901 71% sniper
http://logs.tf/863884?highlight=76561198044159901 69% sniper
http://logs.tf/870859?highlight=76561198044159901 65% sniper
http://logs.tf/848604?highlight=76561198044159901 63% sniper

I couldn't find any sniper logs from yuri within the past few months with <60% accuracy with a usable sample size. Even this one today of yuri is 63% accuracy on sniper: http://logs.tf/917548?highlight=76561198044159901

Pretty hard to believe that she is in the 60-70% range on sniper every time! Better than any plat sniper or invite player could dream of! And with scout rarely dips below 80%.

She either has the best aim the community has ever seen by a large margin, or is hacking.

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	if (StringToInt(convarDefault) != StringToInt(newValue))
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Why is player whose IP does not resolve to US considered to be using a proxy and the one whose does is not?
EDIT: Nvm you changed it 5 days ago :P

Testing to see if it worked at all.
Once I knew it worked I checked it with actual proxies.

I didn't even post any of that in the thread though, I'm guessing you found my git.

Any thoughts and/or recommendations?
I'm at least a couple days away from the 2.0 release

I started looking at yuri's log and went up to log 900000, so everything should be on the same log system. What I really want to do is look at her average accuracy then go through like 200000 logs and get a list of people with similar average accuracies, but that would probably take a pretty long time.

tldr of it all:
Better alt/vpn detection methods
Non-buggy stats required
People still cheating
Flag bugged logs as bugged?

So I just went through all her logs with accuracy enabled and this doesn't really seem to be true. I got an average of 71% over her logs w/ accuracy enabled where she did over 2000 scatter damage.

Here's all her logs with accuracy where she played scout and got over 2000 damage in reverse chronological order if anybody is interested http://pastebin.com/bpae3nF4

Also I didn't parse some really old logs because they used a different format and I didn't feel like figuring it out, but in the interest of full disclosure here they are: http://pastebin.com/khejyasR (I don't know how many of them have accuracy)

Edit: These are scatter accuracy only, I didn't mention that

My earlier statement about rarely dipping below 80% was referencing her last ~20 pages of logs. I have little doubt that any cheats/hacks/exploits of any kind were being used in her earlier scout play when she averaged 60ish %.I might have missed a couple because this was all done manually, but I could very rarely find any scout logs below about 76-78%, almost all were 80%+.

Then the sniper ones 60-70% were also from the last 20 pages.

She was an average scout at best on some earlier logs from about a year ago. Something DRAMATIC happened with her aim. These are old logs randomly selected nothing cherry picked. Obviously no cheats or "getting good" of any kind in these logs. Oh and its not like she was a total noob when she played these lobbies. IIRC she had 1-2K lobies on tf2lobby prior to these center logs right here:

http://logs.tf/192784?highlight=76561198044159901 64%
http://logs.tf/204952?highlight=76561198044159901 63%
http://logs.tf/266486?highlight=76561198044159901 66%, 33% sniper
http://logs.tf/266508?highlight=76561198044159901 59%, 30% sniper
http://logs.tf/285484?highlight=76561198044159901 71%

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Also I just looked at your paste bin for logs with chronological order and I found something interesting.

Over the course of only ~160 scout logs, she went from 62.95% (Last 20 logs used for average) average accuracy to 81.2% (most recent 20 logs used for average). That does not sound like a normal reasonable skill improvement, let alone arguing the legitimacy of averaging 80%+ even in lobbies.

Most of us have used a computer and gamed for years. Improving your hand eye coordination by that much in such a short period of time is pretty hard to believe IMO.

from the logs:
659 shot_hit
722 shot_fired
55 extra shot_hits due to yuri hitting multiple people at once and the logs listing every pellet of damage
logs.tf claimed accuracy 91.27%
real accuracy 83.66%

No idea about the sniper logs but perhaps you should find some STVs before presuming guilt.

i mean logs.tf calculates accuracy in a bad way, sure. but if it consistently calculates accuracy in this way it doesn't change the fact you don't see anyone else getting 90% so i don't see how it's relevant that her "real" accuracy isn't 90%

i didn't watch the stvs or claim to have an opinion one way or another i just think that arguing about how sg acc is calculated as an excuse is a little silly

It just means that spamming 3 damage chipshots into crowds from afar is an easy way of boosting your logs.tf accuracy by 10-15%. If most people don't do that because it's pointless and yuri makes a habit of it, of course her logs are going to look suspicious.

I found this hard to believe so I went and tried to check out some accuracy logs for plat snipers. Unfortunately it seems like having accuracy is pretty rare in itself and usually when it is activated for some reason it only works with stickies (?!?!) but after going through quite a few logs I found this one of paragon getting 60% against a mid plat team. Considering that the movement of people in plat will definitely be better than your average tf2center player (for example yuri's "91%" log had thief on the other team), that's pretty comparable to yuri's.

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he's using thief as an example of a lobby player, not as a mid plat player or at least that's how i read it

also idk if that paragon log is really a good comparison, look at it paragon played fucking out of his mind with 690 dpm, i doubt that's a consistent thing

i looked through the sniper logs of yuri that slayer posted and she must play really strange because her accuracy vs headshots/dmg doesn't really make much sense

http://logs.tf/848604?highlight=76561198044159901

for example this game she has the same amount of headshots as an 18% accuracy 165 dpm sniper which is really fuckin weird. like most obv aimbot snipers will have some absurd amount of headshots, but it just looks like a ton of fully charged bodyshots. it could be possible she plays the game in a way to make her accuracy look good like players in quake who only lg people on jump pads

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You found one example of another high end player getting 60% accuracy. Let me know when you find any high end players that almost exclusively get 60-70%+ on sniper like yuri.

And you are using a single log as counter proof? I'm not arguing that one log out of every hundred or so at 60% is not possible from a high level player, I'm arguing that I have never seen anything like yuri's sniper accuracy which is in the 60-70% range.

Also, about half of paragons sniper logs have accuracy, was pretty easy to come up with a handful of his logs in about 5 minutes.

http://logs.tf/911211?highlight=76561198029991763 (46%)
http://logs.tf/899665?highlight=76561198029991763 (38%)
http://logs.tf/886181?highlight=76561198029991763 (37%)
http://logs.tf/874410?highlight=76561198029991763 (47%)
http://logs.tf/398459?highlight=76561198029991763 (47%)
http://logs.tf/356589?highlight=76561198029991763 (44%)
http://logs.tf/344200?highlight=76561198029991763 (30%)

You must have looked through quite a few logs in order to cherry pick that 60% log. I never saw anything above 50% from paragon on the first few pages of his logs.

I also looked at some logs from max, went through about 20-30 logs with accuracy from max on sniper. They were all in the 32-52% range. I'd guess the average is around 43% give or take 1-2%. Oh and half of these logs were TF2C lobbies.

Actually I was looking through max's logs and only saw a couple with him actually sniping and having accuracy stats. They were 35-50%. The log I 'cherry picked' had max playing heavy which is why I saw it.

A lot/all the lobbies I saw max playing in had a shit ton of plat players but yeah I agree.

I just downloaded the STV for this match: http://sizzlingstats.com/stats/388984 and have started watching it and it's really weird, at the start yuri was missing a ton of shots and mostly hitting bodyshots. About the only explanation I can come up with is that it was early in the morning and she wasn't warmed up yet but idk.

All I've been trying to say is that looking at logs achieves nothing, just download some stvs and watch through them. I didn't see anything fishy in any of the scout/soldier stvs I watched when this first came up but heck I'm no AC expert. Just like, make sure that if someone is going to get labelled a hacker that there's actually some evidence behind it, yknow? Dodgy logs are an indicator but that's all. If anyone does see any fishy moments please point them out.

If you're talking about yuri's ban, we never banned him on logs alone.
the 91% acc log was an indication of something fishy, the center ban got applied on additional evidence.

I quit center and there is nobody on the staff that actually played comp at any level, so a fair review of the case isn't going to happen I guess.

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That's the response I expected

That haXor guy from earlier in this thread got banned on etf2l today for aimbot.

I add on to what someone else said earlier.
I agree, having high DPM as sniper in center matches can be achieved completely legitimately as long as the other sniper has 0 idea what he's doing. And, as stated before, logs can be buggy as hell at times. Look at one of my logs from last year.
http://logs.tf/220878?highlight=76561197968377396
Don't always take having that one "weird" log as 100% proof of cheating.

I'm glad to see folks are actually looking through multiple logs of Yuri before condemning her.
I would assist in the search but I've been busy as of late x.x

I'm 95% sure that log is bugged and DPM for everyone is double of what it should be. I've seen quite a few logs where DPM randomly gets doubled. The overall DPM from everyone is outrageous. On your team, damage classes (everyone minus medic) averaged 590 DPM.

Edit: Here are a few examples of doubled DPM logs:

http://logs.tf/866177
http://logs.tf/869090
http://logs.tf/869158

I dont even know who this YURI is but
http://logs.tf/872868?highlight=76561198044159901#

Cmon yall, anyone really believe shes not hacking?