As long as the demo in question is playing aggressively, not using stickies is retarded. How many demos do you see having to fight someone 2v1 or 1v1 and then they're like, "you know what? I'd better not be a fuck. I'd better just use pipes." That's like a soldier not using his shotgun in dm or mge, and not using the benefits of gunboats. It's retarded. Besides if you have good movement stickies aren't even bad, dodge the det time. DM is supposed to carry over to the game, and in the real game, demos use stickies. Sorry for the facts.
Plus using gunboats in mge is a disadvantage. If you try to complain that he can jump constantly, use your horridly overpowered hitscan weapon when he jumps. 90+ damage meatshots anyone?

i don't like people who go demo and die a bunch so they just end up stickying a spawn point waiting for you to spawn there to get a revenge kill and then they taunt and leave the server

this happened to me more than 3 times within 2 days a few weeks ago and now i only dm/mge when my friends ask me to play with them

play whatever you want to improve with. if the other player doesn't like it they can remove. ez

i hate when i advertise looking for scout/scout or soldier/soldier and someone adds up as a completely different class and refuse to remove or switch

This is the fuckbillionth time we've had this conversation and we've become exceedingly efficient at it.

old SOAP did it best by limiting demos to 2 stickies and having a functional white-list, gunboats are for counter-jumping faggots, stickies are still as comically easy to use as they were in 2008 so I don't see how "sticky aim" ever became a thing, yes demos use stickies in real matches but no this isn't a real match, ammomod is still the best, MGE bred a generation of stat obsessed dipshits that have the most comically bad ground game the community has ever known, and no you can't beat moose in directs. Am I missing something?

i play mge for fun :(

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playing demo without stickies is a complete joke, anyone who actually expects you to do it is an idiot

play against a demo using stickies and actually practice your movement in a relevant way, if you can only kill a pipes-only demo you'll get raped by demos in game

I don't care if a demo uses stickies. Only if he *exclusively* uses stickies does it get annoying.

Maybe some classes are naturally annoying.

Also when your opponent constantly goes for chip damage just to win; literally 10x worse than stickies.

Or they play soldier. If you seriously think that aiming stickies at grounded soldiers is at all difficult then you'd have to be some kind of special retarded. If I jump a demo I'm a faggot in his eyes, and I can't approach him without dealing with the fact that he never has to suffer from fall-off and always has a damage edge on me. We're not even taking into account the ability of demo to just alter-backstrafe so that he can freely keep distance as well.

Why not just practice the only thing that's even remotely difficult on demo (as far as vs. soldier goes)? Snake and boulder both used to play DM and ammomod for hours never using a single sticky and I never saw either of them complain about it once. The class isn't optimal for direct DM and for some reason this escapes demo players that feel entitled to equal footing in practice mods. We get it, you think aiming stickies is hard. That's why you get 8.

Are you saying that all demomen have the exact same quality of sticky aim? The demomen who put in hours and hours of sticky practice don't have better quality stickies than those who don't?

no, you're not a faggot in my eyes for jumping me, and that's exactly the point

if I go pipes-only you'll crush me no matter what I do, so you won't actually practice fighting a demo the way you would in-game (e.g. jumping me)

and yes, idgaf what you say, there's such a thing as sticky aim and some demos are significantly better at it

People who play MGE to win MGE.

People who play like massive vaginas in MGE.

People who jump the nearest high ground and pull out there shotgun when they start loosing.

That shit where you stand still and surf the rocket vertically.

Charged bodyshoting snipers in DM mod.

More then 1 demoman per team in DM mod

Using stupid unlocks in DM mod.

Demomen using EXCESSIVE stickies in DM mod. (i admittingly do this when i am forced to play demo in DM mod but i am so bad at demo it doesn't matter)

tf2 warm-up complaint thread.

This hasn't been changed and we've all dealt with stickies. Just refine your movement, it isn't that hard to dodge a sticky.

MGE is based on who has height advantage or who just chips your health for 3 minutes.

It isn't the end of the world if a demo uses stickies just go to another server.

I don't care when someone removes when I go demo but it pisses me off when they start saying I'm shitty and a faggot for using stickies, get over yourself, I main demo and wanna practice it

When I play SOAP or MGE I just take it easy and have fun!

One of the most annoying things is when I don't like how someone is playing in mge and I remove to find another arena, and they start talking shit. Get over yourself, even if the way you were playing is perfectly valid, I don't have to play you.

regardless of how unfun it is to play against, complaining about a demo using stickies in mge is for little bitches

played against a lot of demos who didnt miss a pipe but couldnt hit more than 1 sticky against a scout
just depends on who are you playing against
if hes a dumbass and doesnt want to stop being bad you probably will be spawncamped or some shit like that
anyway if u cant kill a bad demo try playing counter strike

nono i think you guys are confused

sticky aim is really easy and rocket aim is really hard so nobody should ever practice with stickies

you see rockets have a parabolic trajectory instead of a simpler straight trajectory and you also have to detonate them at the correct distance to maximize your damage

I concur
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Soldiers that gunboat in DM are obviously just trying to have fun and never want to get better. Rockets are easy to hit, if you are practicing your dm why wouldn't you use shotgun so you can at least get better? Regardless of if you use gunboats in scrims/matches or not they are pointless in DM and don't make you better at all.

Also scouts that run away from every one on one fight and only fight you face on when you are being attacked by at least two other people are complete vaginas. I'd much rather play against a sticky demo than all the open scouts that pot shot you for 20 and never actually make an attempt to fight you.

However, for demos that sticky trap I will put on gunboats and bomb only them until one of us leaves.

if you're playing me it will be you first

I like playing against bombing gunboats sollies

I don't want to be forced to jump either so how about that? Regardless of what weapon you use you should be able to beat a soldier at mid range considering you're using a faster projectile and have better walk speed. And yes, sticky aim on grounded soldiers is fucking retardedly easy; soldiers walk slightly faster than sentries. For fuck sake you have like a 800 unit radius in which you can literally throw stickies at the center of our model without predicting movement whatsoever and still do 80 damage.

Of course "sticky aim" differs between demos but it's sure as fuck all but irrelevant on grounded soldiers. If bombing is clown shoes difficulty then why the fuck should I be forced to practice that if I don't want to give you kills that are marginally more difficult than killing afk players?

I mean seriously, soldier's walking speed is 3% faster than heavies.

Gotta practice those DM sticky trap spawns eh?

make sure to berate anyone who beats you or comes close to beating you.(only applies in mge)

only complain is ppl who play like they really really want to win instead of practice/fun

I'm curious on this part, How does playing ammomod make you play ground games better by any means, atleast for me personally it feels like the majority of it, is just surfing.

Sure getting a good 90 damage on the guy while dodging his own shot with your great ground movement is helpful. But he has 1500 hp, and while you hit a 90 damage direct he can just surf it, and put down 200-300 damage and take about 130(counting fall damage). Surfing is so effective in most the ammomod arenas it's disgusting, and sure maybe some players are good enough to get off the airshot, but the vast majority of player won't reliably be able to do a direct and 2 airshots. Where as the majority can easily spam down 3 rockets while falling through the air.

Also I don't get the "don't use gunboats" thing. Gunboats create a whole different fighting style, they're in my own opinion super infuriating to play against in MGE, because some of the things you can do with them is "cheap". But SOAP is suppose to emulate real game play is it not? Maybe this is just because i play with like 14 ping, but if a soldier starts to bomb me and i have gunboats, I can generally do a 10-15 damage "skip" out of the way and basically dodge a 100+ damage. I mean it's pretty "gay" but in a match it allows me to take way less heals.