didnt swag get banned for matchfixing? sorry i dont follow comp cs too closely

He did, but he's currently coaching c9 and there's a chance (no one's really sure how big) that ex-ibp will be unbanned eventually, maybe around the year mark. The prevailing theory is that there's a clause in his contract that would option him as a player if ibp unbans happen, at which point him and Sean would switch.

I mean let's be real, if I had swag signed to my org and suddenly he could play again I wouldn't pass up that opportunity.

just to clarify, swag is not the coach. sgares is IGL and stunna, who stands behind them in matches, is just the manager. swag intended to be the c9 coach until Valve made it clear they didn't want the banned players in such a role with teams that could potentially attend their majors; now he is just a c9 "streamer". this also effected steel who actually moved into CLG's gaming house to be coach.

Isn't it widely considered that they are coaches in everything but name?

how do you mean?

basically this
steel is clg's coach, but he isn't allowed to state that directly. He just hints towards it sometimes on stream.
Swag doesn't actually do coaching or analysis at all, didn't do it before the Valve statement either. He just streams under the C9 name and plays 10 mans. C9 basically just bagged him for when he gets unbanned.

On the topic of the NIP speculation, rumor has it that it was Heaton's girlfriend who leaked the information about the contract talks to Fragbite. She just broke up with Heaton since he was cheating on her, and because she was pissed she leaked the details of things he was working on. While there's no evidence to support this rumor apart from her posting about the cheating breakup on instagram (now made private), I think that's pretty hilarious if its true

fucking grill gamers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMHx1xrrNIM

these hoes aint loyal

I think this should be taken with a grain of salt, from watching some 10man/steel streams it seems more like:
1. Steel has demo reviewed CLG's demos before on request of CLG
2. Steel briefly lived in the CLG house when he didnt have anywhere to live (his house was flooded? i think?)
So does steel coach CLG? Not really? he doesn't design plays for them, he doesn't go to tournaments and provide them feedback on how maps went, he just watches them play sometimes and calls them out on blown coverages basically. he's like a fancy ESPN talking head. Could he play top level CS anymore? probably. Is his analysis of CLG the equivalent of acting as the coach of a top level cs team? no.

NB: steel/dazed are viewed as these godly cs geniuses. its worth noting, that throughout their entire cs career (source included) has basically consisted of stealing smarter french igls (xsten6(im not even going to bother learning to spell his name until he makes another top 5 cs team) and happy (pronax honorable mention, but happy is easier to mimic because happy creates godly cs players and pronax just finds them).

so lets talk about steel first, his entire csgo strategy is stolen from dazed. ok thats it.

so lets talk about dazed. dazed stole it from copying and mimicing LDLC. At least thats when IBP got really really nice, he designed his strategy (and his entire way of viewing "right" cs) based on how happy saw it. what i think is interesting is the way he was able to do it, and why for a moment it looked like sgares (and therefore c9) would be able to do it and become a top 4 cs team. Watching and having his team copy LDLC's demos. LDLC eats T2 teams for breakfast, they can literally outmuscle every T2 team. How? All of his players including him are basically flowcharts, flowcharts learned in scrims based on being told by happy what to do differently.

so if your dazed, you tell each player exactly what to do every round, and mix it up only as often as LDLC mixes it up. Those deviations are stolen from LDLC. Everything is. What makes being an igl so hard, is being able to read when to deviate, what mid round adjustments to make. Now finally, you don’t have to. You run the same pistol rounds, you run the same gun rounds, you run the same eco rounds, you utilize the same buying strategy. And it doesn’t matter, because you aren’t being counterstratted yet.

So why did sgares fail where dazed succeeded? Sgares doesn’t actually get the igl role (maybe he does, but it doesn’t look like it). Happy understood it the absolute best: its watching demos, and playing the most complicated role in whatever system is being used. People accuse happy of baiting? No fucking shit, its his job as igl to set himself up for the easy 100% frags. The difference is those frags are also the most varied frags anyone on his team picks up. It’s why LDLC (now NV) realized that all that mattered is: the igl, and 4 best role players (basically aim/dm). this is basketball where the coach is forced to play basically. it will eventually more resemble the pg in basketball, but right now its 100% the coach.

What are those roles?
Carry – Kioshima/Shroud/Swag: only listing Happy styled carries. Fnatic is much less rigid, because they weren’t all made into amazing cs players by pronax in the same way that all of NV has been created by either happy or shox (shox started kio, happy polished him). This is the guy who collects frags, because hes set up for them in strict senses (not fluid happy style).

Entry/Trade-bait – Freakazoid/Apex/Steel: the player that walks into to die to a peeking ct and get traded on. Aim is nice, but tbh you don’t need this player to get kills. Seriously, you can get all the T rounds you want with your entry getting 0 kills. But ya, you hope he can win you some rounds by giving you the trade advantage in a site take (which is what a good entry does for his team). Your strats will tend to leave T2 teams out of position and blind so he can devour T2 teams which is where the value in him having good aim really helps.
Inside Scoop: This used to be Kio, and Shox was carry. I think the LDLC meltdown occurred because Happy realized that kio was the better carry and shox the better entry, but shox felt he was too good and too smart to be utilized in entry roles. In the end happy shipped out shox and smithzz because smithzzz wasn’t good enough and shox didn’t want to switch roles. SPECULATION

Sniper – Skadoodle (under both dazed and sgares)/KennyS: when you win a forcebuy, or weak buy chances are if its past the first 7 rounds of the game that there is an awp to pickup. The awp is really powerful for entries, or at least forcing your enemy to respect certain angles, and PUNISH enemies for peeking for information. Seriously, this is what makes awps awesome, they force teams to respect your silence, they cant peek for information without potentially losing their life. Therefore: the awp is a game changer, and ideally you have a player who can tear it up with the awp and you can afford them to be a weaker rifler. This role used to be less sniper focused, but it just makes sense to basically “hide” your best awper in a role that allows for a weaker rifle.

IGL – sgares, Happy, Dazed: You watch demos. When you lose, you find a team that’s better than you and copy them. So lets say you play vs. fnatic and get dumped on. Switch to fnatics ct and t side. How did fnatic beat you? Switch to fnatics new ct and t side. Now you can do that from square 0 and just copy every team you play, but its simpler if you pull a Dazed and just copy a really solid fundamental cs team, and then once your competing at a high level, you start really copying your opponents. Oh ya, and because you understand whats actually happening in the game, youre expected to be smart about rotating. You are the important rotate/switch role on most maps. Other players should expect constancy in their rounds, you should be freestyling a little more.
Inside Scoop: this is where sgares struggles. He allows other people to call over him, back when POVs were a thing there was an important round where sgares called for an NOA stack at mid after the T’s smoked it. Freakazoid disagreed, and so did N0thing. Both players were hesistant to stack. Eventually they did, they were spammed down by someone xbox. Both players took that as a sign they were right. In reality, sgares was, their hesitance cost them the frag, the entry in an unbelievably crucial round. (the entry matters because youre giving a team the trade advantage).

Rock/Safelane Carry (lmao dota) – NBK/AZK/n0thing (lmao this is why c9 sucks btw no one can assign a role to Kobe Bean Bryant I mean n0thing whoops xd): Second best aimer, plays safe positions where the importance is staying alive to play off other peoples peeks and flashes (B site on inferno, long on dust2). This is n0things and c9’s big issue, n0thing doesn’t understand that his job is just to copy what sgares tells him, he overthinks his positions and ends up costing a lot of rounds. Remember when Dazed said he would just post someone up where Jordan plays and get a frag everytime when he pushes? He wasn’t joking, Jordan doesn’t understand that pushing as a ct a lot causes a lot of drag on your round winrate, and against ecos will cause SERIOUS issues.

Because thats whats great about cs, its this amazing behemoth blend of basketball and poker and it makes for a display of raw skill and genius decisionmaking (wagering peeks/lives and rounds rather than chips and pots).

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oh also:
not entirely true
yes swag is an amazing cs talent to fit into the role you want, but the main reason he was picked up early is because he actually has money issues. which is why him being fucked for the throw is kind of messed up because:
1. I dont think he was 18 when they threw (<-this should probably be mentioned more...)
2. his family doesnt exactly have the most money and it threw his situation into the limelight... so he was one of the ones where throwing seemed like the most obvious thing to do. banning him from cs for life after he invested so much time into honing his cs ability would be akin to banning a college player for life for being on a team that threw (or accepting gifts from scouts.... hmmm i think ive heard something about that happening once or twice or HUNDREDS OF TIMES none of which ended up in lifelong sport bans.)

ok after that last comment you might think "actually the NCAA probably would..."
1. maybe the ncaa, i really doubt the nba would also ban them
2. swag was 17, so actually its like a high schooler
3. college basketball has a much larger surrounding infrastructure so shit like this doesnt happen. no college player would throw for money, because they are actually set. A lot of cs players in the middle of 2013 were struggling for cash, remember this is before a single major

#FREESWAG

and then finally:
unban dazed because he can actually make good cs players. the US is like France if Happy got banned: not internationally relevant

holy shit that was long, tune in next time for:
no sensitivity isn't subjective you fucking idiot
or
cs and poker are the same game, and if you actually understand cs you understand poker and vice versa (obligatory: WHAT UP NOW SWEDES retard is now a millionaire poker player lmao) (obligatory: shaguar isn’t a retard in any sense of the word)

Just FYI like 60% of what you said is just total bullshit if I were at a computer I'd go through it line by line and tell you where you're wrong but that'll have to wait.

ehh

the extent i would concede is you mightve misinterpreted something ive said because i said it in a bad way, but i doubt anything i said is wrong

we'll see i guess....when you point at a single thing...and provide supporting evidence...which youre doing

if someone says i'm wrong they must be misunderstanding right?

But yeah everything youve posted is nonsense. You had a lot of words in there, I'll give you that!

http://www.ugcleague.com/players_page.cfm?player_id=76561198043880191

odds of me reading that text wall are 0%

Can you enlighten me how someones UGC profile is relevant to CSGO discussion?
I mean if he wasn't talking out of his ass would you still have posted it

do you need help?

Honestly the single dumbest thing you said was that it doesn't matter if apex gets entries or not as long as he sets up good trades (protip this isn't true, happy's only 'execute' is "hey apex go open up a site" and if he fails nV just wanders around the map looking for picks)

Some other amazingly dumb stuff you said:

-dazed copied happy's calling style (yes compare a guy with no calls to one of the stricter igls in cs good work)

-seangares is a bad igl because he doesn't watch demos like happy???? (Not even sure what you're aiming at here sgares is known for being an avid demo watcher)

-the French scene would be irrelevant if happy went away

-swag is somehow innocent because he's poor? Like he needs to get skins to feed his starving family? Even if this was true it doesn't make him any more or less innocent than any of the others

It just seems that you're trying to get him dismissed because of something totally irrelevant. Whats the need for posting his UGC profile?

see you just misinterpreted my post

i never said that i must be right, or that he must be misunderstanding. i said (pay close attention): im only going to concede that he probably misunderstood because i worded something poorly.

its possible im wrong, im just not going to bend over everytime someone with 8 rws opens his mouth.

nor am i going to concede everything after some other 8 rws player attacks me

I am just providing context, your the one that said he's talking out his ass.

ya happy moves players around looking for picks. if they give up the entry they go for the trade. NV is a trade based team, apex is always the first herring you put out when youre looking to go fishing

dazed admits that he would primarily watch and copy NV (then LDLC) to think up IBP's strats on both T and CT. if u watched him u could hear it

he was, back when c9 was going to be big. then they enjoyed some success, and i honestly think hes watching way fewer demos. its possible theyll bounce back, but they had a sophomore slump because they went away from what worked, advancing the meta by watching the top teams play and stealing their plays and counterplays.

happy is the only igl that can carry a french squad, because he can teach players to play within his system (like how dazed was comfortable microing ska to the extreme)

it wasnt his idea, he was 17 years old, and his parents struggle to make ends meet bad enough that c9 has him on a paltry budget just to help out. ya, he is more innocent. this point is mind bogglingly stupid

also as long as we're calling people out:
both dummy and yourself are sub 10rws players with 1000+ hours. im glad we had this dick measuring contest

I've been called out for my rws somewhere other than the esea forums

This is the best day ever

https://play.esea.net/users/782313?tab=stats

10.69 RWS

dummy get the alien dick picture out this kid unzipped his pants

10.69 WITH TWO PUGS

It LITERALLY means nothing

i just played one for this thread and dropped 13

should i do it again rofl? how many pugs until u admit im better at cs i wonder?

yikes.....

I think I'm done here

so someone can post my ugc when i have barely touched tf2 in 3 months in a thread on cs

but as soon as i bring up rws im the bad guy?

Well considering you've played 2 tf2 matches in open and you've never played a cs match I guess your ugc profile is the only thing you have going for you....

lmao i came here and posted something not very controversial (definitely not singling out any readers of this site)

which u then inserted your ego into when you decided to make a post about the "fact" that it was wrong before posting why it was wrong. i just wanted to discuss it, and now i have people combing over my esea and a game i quit ages ago. sick, another dissident squashed. owl is proven right. im so glad we had to have a discussion about my person instead of my post lol