h0b5t3rMost of the Europeans see this very differently as they are almost all socialists, they see Bernie Sanders the way most Americans see Joseph McCarthy.
when u assume u make an ass out of uma thurman
conradzioNo libertarians here?... younger Paul anyone? I know he dropped out but still...
aside from the many things I don't agree with libertarians on, the problem with the libertarians that run under the banner of the Republican party is that they end up tailoring their message by making everything about state's rights, meaning that they don't actually back up all their progressive views on social issues by expecting the government to at least secure those liberties nationwide
what good is a candidate whose rhetoric is pro-gay, pro-choice, anti-war on drugs etc. if they let all the conservative southern states exercise the exact opposite viewpoint
[quote=h0b5t3r]Most of the Europeans see this very differently as they are almost all socialists, they see Bernie Sanders the way most Americans see Joseph McCarthy.[/quote]
when u assume u make an ass out of uma thurman
[quote=conradzio]No libertarians here?... younger Paul anyone? I know he dropped out but still...[/quote]
aside from the many things I don't agree with libertarians on, the problem with the libertarians that run under the banner of the Republican party is that they end up tailoring their message by making everything about state's rights, meaning that they don't actually back up all their progressive views on social issues by expecting the government to at least secure those liberties nationwide
what good is a candidate whose rhetoric is pro-gay, pro-choice, anti-war on drugs etc. if they let all the conservative southern states exercise the exact opposite viewpoint
fatswimdudei really hate knowing that a lot of young people will vote for bernie because they saw #feelthebern memes on their fb feed
there will always be a giant percentage of people who vote for candidates for really stupid reasons, if doing so gives us a progressive candidate even if it's by accident than I can't complain
Comangliah0b5t3rMost of the Europeans see this very differently as they are almost all socialists, they see Bernie Sanders the way most Americans see Joseph McCarthy.
their's alot of american's who don't realize that the Democratic party of the USA is roughly the equivalent of the Center and/or Right wing parties of basically any other developed nation.
Hillary for example would be a Conservative by Canadian/British/Australian Standards
Bernie would be more of a Labour/Labor party candidate in the UK/Australia/Canada
Most Republicans would fall within {insert nation name} independence party or far right wing outliers in a conservative party
aka anyone who says they socialist in the USA is more like center-left when it comes to Euro, Aussie, and Canadian politics
I understand the importance of stressing how conservative politics in the US are compared to most developed countries, but I think this comparison has become a bit of an over-generalisation, that ignores the very real move to the right that has occurred in the UK, Australia, and Canada
With Labour candidates like Tony Blair or Kevin Rudd, and Conservatives like David Cameron or Stephen Harper, the dial in those countries have shifted a lot. Comparing Bernie Sanders to New Labour is pretty ridiculous tbh. Now, in most continental European countries, where the "Center-Left" mainstream party is usually called something like the Socialist Party or the Workers' Party, the comparison is apt. However, the UK is closer to the US than you realize. The biggest difference is the infrastructure that is already in place in those countries, which were generally created by the older and more leftist versions of the parties that you mention in your comparison. For instance, I'm sure David Cameron is equally as opposed to the concept of centralized health care as any Republican in the US, but given how much more progressive their single-payer system is than our system that still contains private health insurance companies, any "reform" he makes will still leave their health care system more progressive than a Democrat has been able to make ours so far.
I understand you were just making a point to the majority of the people on here who are from the U.S., but I bet there are a few brits or aussies or canadians reading what you wrote with a bit of a confused expression on their faces.
[quote=fatswimdude]i really hate knowing that a lot of young people will vote for bernie because they saw #feelthebern memes on their fb feed[/quote]
there will always be a giant percentage of people who vote for candidates for really stupid reasons, if doing so gives us a progressive candidate even if it's by accident than I can't complain
[quote=Comanglia][quote=h0b5t3r]Most of the Europeans see this very differently as they are almost all socialists, they see Bernie Sanders the way most Americans see Joseph McCarthy.[/quote]
their's alot of american's who don't realize that the Democratic party of the USA is roughly the equivalent of the Center and/or Right wing parties of basically any other developed nation.
Hillary for example would be a Conservative by Canadian/British/Australian Standards
Bernie would be more of a Labour/Labor party candidate in the UK/Australia/Canada
Most Republicans would fall within {insert nation name} independence party or far right wing outliers in a conservative party
aka anyone who says they socialist in the USA is more like center-left when it comes to Euro, Aussie, and Canadian politics[/quote]
I understand the importance of stressing how conservative politics in the US are compared to most developed countries, but I think this comparison has become a bit of an over-generalisation, that ignores the very real move to the right that has occurred in the UK, Australia, and Canada
With Labour candidates like Tony Blair or Kevin Rudd, and Conservatives like David Cameron or Stephen Harper, the dial in those countries have shifted a lot. Comparing Bernie Sanders to New Labour is pretty ridiculous tbh. Now, in most continental European countries, where the "Center-Left" mainstream party is usually called something like the Socialist Party or the Workers' Party, the comparison is apt. However, the UK is closer to the US than you realize. The biggest difference is the infrastructure that is already in place in those countries, which were generally created by the older and more leftist versions of the parties that you mention in your comparison. For instance, I'm sure David Cameron is equally as opposed to the concept of centralized health care as any Republican in the US, but given how much more progressive their single-payer system is than our system that still contains private health insurance companies, any "reform" he makes will still leave their health care system more progressive than a Democrat has been able to make ours so far.
I understand you were just making a point to the majority of the people on here who are from the U.S., but I bet there are a few brits or aussies or canadians reading what you wrote with a bit of a confused expression on their faces.
sheepy_dogs_handhttp://starecat.com/content/wp-content/uploads/women-have-always-been-the-primary-victims-of-war-hilary-clinton-they-lose-husbands-fathers-sons.jpg
This is what feminists actually believe.
shut the fuck up
Ond_kajaI'm a dirty Euro, but I've been following American politics on and off ever since 2007. I honestly have to say that Sanders is a breath of fresh air, as he accurately describes problems with both American and international policy that politicians generally ignore and he has done so for decades. His most important message (imo) is that democracy in America is hollowed out by the loose rules of the campaign finance system. I think it's ridiculous that corporations are able to insert money into political campaigns and influence elected officials that might depend on this money. Sanders is genuine in the sense that he doesn't have any big donors he needs to cater to. He has been consistent about his opinions for decades which is reflected in his voting record in Congress, and he actually has some very good ideas. I find it especially inspiring that he dares to stand up to both the financial and political establishment, while the odds are hugely stacked against him but still performs really well among voters. More politicians should be like him.
Now, I know there's similar problems in Europe, but I really wish there were people like him here who dared to question the political system, and aren't incredibly nationalistic and/or conservative. But maybe Sanders could inspire such a movement in Europe if he were elected.
Hear, hear!
sheepy_dogs_handMrFahr3nheit
I don't like Hillary much either but that quote is taken completely out of context and I can't believe people still repost it.
How can you take "women have always been the primary victims of war" out of context. Even if you add on the rest of the quote. I have only seen the quote but I don't see how it's been taken out of context.
You can't use autism as an excuse for poor reading comprehension and a racist, sexist, myopic worldview.
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This is what feminists actually believe.[/quote]
shut the fuck up
[quote=Ond_kaja]I'm a dirty Euro, but I've been following American politics on and off ever since 2007. I honestly have to say that Sanders is a breath of fresh air, as he accurately describes problems with both American and international policy that politicians generally ignore and he has done so for decades. His most important message (imo) is that democracy in America is hollowed out by the loose rules of the campaign finance system. I think it's ridiculous that corporations are able to insert money into political campaigns and influence elected officials that might depend on this money. Sanders is genuine in the sense that he doesn't have any big donors he needs to cater to. He has been consistent about his opinions for decades which is reflected in his voting record in Congress, and he actually has some very good ideas. I find it especially inspiring that he dares to stand up to both the financial and political establishment, while the odds are hugely stacked against him but still performs really well among voters. More politicians should be like him.
Now, I know there's similar problems in Europe, but I really wish there were people like him here who dared to question the political system, and aren't incredibly nationalistic and/or conservative. But maybe Sanders could inspire such a movement in Europe if he were elected.[/quote]
Hear, hear!
[quote=sheepy_dogs_hand]
[quote=MrFahr3nheit]
I don't like Hillary much either but that quote is taken completely out of context and I can't believe people still repost it.[/quote]
How can you take "women have always been the primary victims of war" out of context. Even if you add on the rest of the quote. I have only seen the quote but I don't see how it's been taken out of context.[/quote]
You can't use autism as an excuse for poor reading comprehension and a racist, sexist, myopic worldview.
DarkdwarfOnd_kajaI'm a dirty Euro, but I've been following American politics on and off ever since 2007. I honestly have to say that Sanders is a breath of fresh air, as he accurately describes problems with both American and international policy that politicians generally ignore and he has done so for decades. His most important message (imo) is that democracy in America is hollowed out by the loose rules of the campaign finance system. I think it's ridiculous that corporations are able to insert money into political campaigns and influence elected officials that might depend on this money. Sanders is genuine in the sense that he doesn't have any big donors he needs to cater to. He has been consistent about his opinions for decades which is reflected in his voting record in Congress, and he actually has some very good ideas. I find it especially inspiring that he dares to stand up to both the financial and political establishment, while the odds are hugely stacked against him but still performs really well among voters. More politicians should be like him.
Now, I know there's similar problems in Europe, but I really wish there were people like him here who dared to question the political system, and aren't incredibly nationalistic and/or conservative. But maybe Sanders could inspire such a movement in Europe if he were elected.
Sounds like you'd appreciate another candidate - Lawrence Lessig. Sad that the party excluded him from running...
While I don't dispute that the DNC worked very hard to cull the field of any candidates that could possibly make their boo Hillary look bad in any capacity (and only failed with Sanders himself because of his popularity), it's not like Larry Lessig would actually have a chance. I like the guy's stances on intellectual property and campaign finance, but he's more Dennis Kucinich than Bernie in all honesty.
[quote=Darkdwarf][quote=Ond_kaja]I'm a dirty Euro, but I've been following American politics on and off ever since 2007. I honestly have to say that Sanders is a breath of fresh air, as he accurately describes problems with both American and international policy that politicians generally ignore and he has done so for decades. His most important message (imo) is that democracy in America is hollowed out by the loose rules of the campaign finance system. I think it's ridiculous that corporations are able to insert money into political campaigns and influence elected officials that might depend on this money. Sanders is genuine in the sense that he doesn't have any big donors he needs to cater to. He has been consistent about his opinions for decades which is reflected in his voting record in Congress, and he actually has some very good ideas. I find it especially inspiring that he dares to stand up to both the financial and political establishment, while the odds are hugely stacked against him but still performs really well among voters. More politicians should be like him.
Now, I know there's similar problems in Europe, but I really wish there were people like him here who dared to question the political system, and aren't incredibly nationalistic and/or conservative. But maybe Sanders could inspire such a movement in Europe if he were elected.[/quote]
Sounds like you'd appreciate another candidate - Lawrence Lessig. Sad that the party excluded him from running...[/quote]
While I don't dispute that the DNC worked very hard to cull the field of any candidates that could possibly make their boo Hillary look bad in any capacity (and only failed with Sanders himself because of his popularity), it's not like Larry Lessig would actually have a chance. I like the guy's stances on intellectual property and campaign finance, but he's more Dennis Kucinich than Bernie in all honesty.
P.S. I didn't reply to any of Marxist's posts one-by-one because they're all pretty damn accurate and I want em to stand on their own merits
aaaand I'm done
P.S. I didn't reply to any of Marxist's posts one-by-one because they're all pretty damn accurate and I want em to stand on their own merits
aaaand I'm done
If you're voting for hillary you probably just enjoy being lied to. I don't necessarily agree with everything that sanders says, but atleast he's making an effort to move your country forward instead of sidewards into another direction of bullshit.
If you're voting for hillary you probably just enjoy being lied to. I don't necessarily agree with everything that sanders says, but atleast he's making an effort to move your country forward instead of sidewards into another direction of bullshit.
If the choice was only limited to those 2, I'd have to go with Bernie even though I hate socialism and the expansion of the Federal government. Hillary is a witch that needs to be prosecuted and put behind bars.
If the choice was only limited to those 2, I'd have to go with Bernie even though I hate socialism and the expansion of the Federal government. Hillary is a witch that needs to be prosecuted and put behind bars.
mustardoverlord
You can't use autism as an excuse for poor reading comprehension and a racist, sexist, myopic worldview.
You forgot anti semitic.
[quote=mustardoverlord]
You can't use autism as an excuse for poor reading comprehension and a racist, sexist, myopic worldview.[/quote]
You forgot anti semitic.
Who hurt you Sheepy
I mean literally, who hit you on the head?
Who hurt you Sheepy
I mean literally, who hit you on the head?
[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdRCNM2k42o]politics in a nutshell[/url]
bubibiim just here for the memes
im just here for the mustard overlord roasts
[quote=bubibi]im just here for the memes[/quote]
im just here for the mustard overlord roasts
mustardoverlordthat ignores the very real move to the right that has occurred in the UK, Australia, and Canada
Uh you know Canada just elected it's gayest PM ever right?
dollarlayerIf the choice was only limited to those 2, I'd have to go with Bernie even though I hate socialism and the expansion of the Federal government. Hillary is a witch that needs to be prosecuted and put behind bars.
Sanders actually has a lot of good policies but most of his young supporters like them for the wrong reasons. e.g. they want their student loan debts forgiven because they like free shit, not for the best reason which is to fuck over the banks (it's about time they got theirs)
[quote=mustardoverlord]
that ignores the very real move to the right that has occurred in the UK, Australia, and Canada
[/quote]
Uh you know Canada just elected it's gayest PM ever right?
[quote=dollarlayer]If the choice was only limited to those 2, I'd have to go with Bernie even though I hate socialism and the expansion of the Federal government. Hillary is a witch that needs to be prosecuted and put behind bars.[/quote]
Sanders actually has a lot of good policies but most of his young supporters like them for the wrong reasons. e.g. they want their student loan debts forgiven because they like free shit, not for the best reason which is to fuck over the banks (it's about time they got theirs)
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxfMUEf9otQ[/youtube]
lootSanders actually has a lot of good policies but most of his young supporters like them for the wrong reasons. e.g. they want their student loan debts forgiven because they like free shit, not for the best reason which is to fuck over the banks (it's about time they got theirs)
http://i.imgur.com/P8A3ady.jpg
yes it is only because they like free things
not because they can barely afford living
[quote=loot]
Sanders actually has a lot of good policies but most of his young supporters like them for the wrong reasons. e.g. they want their student loan debts forgiven because they like free shit, not for the best reason which is to fuck over the banks (it's about time they got theirs)[/quote]
http://i.imgur.com/P8A3ady.jpg
yes it is only because they like free things
not because they can barely afford living
lootmustardoverlordthat ignores the very real move to the right that has occurred in the UK, Australia, and Canada
Uh you know Canada just elected it's most socially liberal PM ever right?
dollarlayerIf the choice was only limited to those 2, I'd have to go with Bernie even though I hate socialism and the expansion of the Federal government. Hillary is a witch that needs to be prosecuted and put behind bars.
Sanders actually has a lot of good policies but most of his young supporters like them for the wrong reasons. e.g. they want their student loan debts forgiven because they like free shit, not for the best reason which is to fuck over the banks (it's about time they got theirs)
aha!
bless your soul little uninformed man
[quote=loot][quote=mustardoverlord]
that ignores the very real move to the right that has occurred in the UK, Australia, and Canada
[/quote]
Uh you know Canada just elected it's most socially liberal PM ever right?
[quote=dollarlayer]If the choice was only limited to those 2, I'd have to go with Bernie even though I hate socialism and the expansion of the Federal government. Hillary is a witch that needs to be prosecuted and put behind bars.[/quote]
Sanders actually has a lot of good policies but most of his young supporters like them for the wrong reasons. [b]e.g. they want their student loan debts forgiven because they like free shit[/b], not for the best reason which is to fuck over the banks (it's about time they got theirs)[/quote]
aha!
bless your soul little uninformed man
can we get back to the memes thats enough words
http://puu.sh/mZmvL/92a57b5540.jpg
can we get back to the memes thats enough words
[img]http://puu.sh/mZmvL/92a57b5540.jpg[/img]
MrFahr3nheitlootSanders actually has a lot of good policies but most of his young supporters like them for the wrong reasons. e.g. they want their student loan debts forgiven because they like free shit, not for the best reason which is to fuck over the banks (it's about time they got theirs)
http://i.imgur.com/P8A3ady.jpg
yes it is only because they like free things
not because they can barely afford living
The bigger issue honestly is that everybody thinks they need to go to college even if they can't afford it. Far more people should be looking into trades or similar.
There's something to be said for financial responsibility, and being thousands of dollars in debt by the time you turn 20 isn't very responsible. I went to university but I worked to pay for it, didn't take out any loans.
[quote=MrFahr3nheit][quote=loot]
Sanders actually has a lot of good policies but most of his young supporters like them for the wrong reasons. e.g. they want their student loan debts forgiven because they like free shit, not for the best reason which is to fuck over the banks (it's about time they got theirs)[/quote]
http://i.imgur.com/P8A3ady.jpg
yes it is only because they like free things
not because they can barely afford living[/quote]
The bigger issue honestly is that everybody thinks they need to go to college even if they can't afford it. Far more people should be looking into trades or similar.
There's something to be said for financial responsibility, and being thousands of dollars in debt by the time you turn 20 isn't very responsible. I went to university but I worked to pay for it, didn't take out any loans.
lootMrFahr3nheitlootSanders actually has a lot of good policies but most of his young supporters like them for the wrong reasons. e.g. they want their student loan debts forgiven because they like free shit, not for the best reason which is to fuck over the banks (it's about time they got theirs)
http://i.imgur.com/P8A3ady.jpg
yes it is only because they like free things
not because they can barely afford living
The bigger issue honestly is that everybody thinks they need to go to college even if they can't afford it. Far more people should be looking into trades or similar.
There's something to be said for financial responsibility, and being thousands of dollars in debt by the time you turn 20 isn't very responsible. I went to university but I worked to pay for it, didn't take out any loans.
Yeah that's a pretty cool idea! Now I hope you have a solution too to pull millions of jobs (don't forget flexible hours since you still need time to study or attend college) out of your ass for all the students. And if you want to become a doctor, pilot or lawyer and your family is poor, fuck you I guess? And on some level you are right, everyone nowadays assumes degree = job, in reality it's far different but that still doesn't change that your opinion is dumb and pretentious, you have to be stupid to think fixing the situation is that easy.
[quote=loot][quote=MrFahr3nheit][quote=loot]
Sanders actually has a lot of good policies but most of his young supporters like them for the wrong reasons. e.g. they want their student loan debts forgiven because they like free shit, not for the best reason which is to fuck over the banks (it's about time they got theirs)[/quote]
http://i.imgur.com/P8A3ady.jpg
yes it is only because they like free things
not because they can barely afford living[/quote]
The bigger issue honestly is that everybody thinks they need to go to college even if they can't afford it. Far more people should be looking into trades or similar.
There's something to be said for financial responsibility, and being thousands of dollars in debt by the time you turn 20 isn't very responsible. I went to university but I worked to pay for it, didn't take out any loans.[/quote]
Yeah that's a pretty cool idea! Now I hope you have a solution too to pull millions of jobs (don't forget flexible hours since you still need time to study or attend college) out of your ass for all the students. And if you want to become a doctor, pilot or lawyer and your family is poor, fuck you I guess? And on some level you are right, everyone nowadays assumes degree = job, in reality it's far different but that still doesn't change that your opinion is dumb and pretentious, you have to be stupid to think fixing the situation is that easy.
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I should get free money because I contribute so much to society with my degree in egyptology, minor in basket weaving...
bonafide is literally 18yo and majoring in fine arts... funny things will happen if you get your T count out of single digits, pal
I know it's complicated, you could write hundreds of pages about the problems with the academia industrial complex. But there's a reason people did the same thing as their parents for thousands of years. It's an extremely recent trend, rooted in narcissism and entitlement, to go pursue your dreams at the expense of being able to feed yourself, raise a family, etc. Not everybody gets to be a rock star or actor.
[spoiler]I should get free money because I contribute so much to society with my degree in egyptology, minor in basket weaving...
bonafide is literally 18yo and majoring in fine arts... funny things will happen if you get your T count out of single digits, pal
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I know it's complicated, you could write hundreds of pages about the problems with the academia industrial complex. But there's a reason people did the same thing as their parents for thousands of years. It's an extremely recent trend, rooted in narcissism and entitlement, to go pursue your dreams at the expense of being able to feed yourself, raise a family, etc. Not everybody gets to be a rock star or actor.
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I should get free money because I contribute so much to society with my degree in egyptology, minor in basket weaving...
I know it's complicated, you could write hundreds of pages about the problems with the academia industrial complex. But there's a reason people did the same thing as their parents for thousands of years. It's an extremely recent trend, rooted in narcissism and entitlement, to go pursue your dreams at the expense of being able to feed yourself, raise a family, etc. Not everybody gets to be a rock star or actor.
Exactly, the reason was to survive and pass this 'knowledge' down the family so they also had money, even back then school was only for the rich. Now we've evolved so far to have the absolute best fitting and most motivated people for the job instead of what your parents used to do, exactly what we NEED to tackle, or the rich families will only get richer without any effort, these people feel like they deserve to have that money and that is real entitlement. To be able to study what you desire (and it's not free, everyone pays taxes, are you like 5 ) is what we need, people who don't give a fuck about what they're doing all day aren't going to innovate. Nearly all great minds from the past have basically neglected what their parents nearly forced them to do because the whole family did it (famous Isaac Newton is an example).
[quote=loot][spoiler]I should get free money because I contribute so much to society with my degree in egyptology, minor in basket weaving...
[/spoiler]
I know it's complicated, you could write hundreds of pages about the problems with the academia industrial complex. But there's a reason people did the same thing as their parents for thousands of years. It's an extremely recent trend, rooted in narcissism and entitlement, to go pursue your dreams at the expense of being able to feed yourself, raise a family, etc. Not everybody gets to be a rock star or actor.[/quote]
Exactly, the reason was to survive and pass this 'knowledge' down the family so they also had money, even back then school was only for the rich. Now we've evolved so far to have the absolute best fitting and most motivated people for the job instead of what your parents used to do, exactly what we NEED to tackle, or the rich families will only get richer without any effort, these people feel like they deserve to have that money and that is real entitlement. To be able to study what you desire (and it's not free, everyone pays taxes, are you like 5 ) is what we need, people who don't give a fuck about what they're doing all day aren't going to innovate. Nearly all great minds from the past have basically neglected what their parents nearly forced them to do because the whole family did it (famous Isaac Newton is an example).
upfrag this post if your college degree gives you realistic career prospects (higher than starbucks)
upfrag this post if your college degree gives you realistic career prospects (higher than starbucks)
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conradzioNo libertarians here?... younger Paul anyone? I know he dropped out but still...
Never understood the libertarian fixation on Rand Paul. The dude's a social conservative. He's basically a standard Republican, minus some of the blatant militarism and rights violations. He plays up the libertarian-leaning image to capitalize on libetarianism's increasing trend in current US politics (which is itself largely driven by Republicans who are uncomfortable with their party's militarism and religious fundamentalism...), and to link himself with his father.
[quote=conradzio]No libertarians here?... younger Paul anyone? I know he dropped out but still...[/quote]
Never understood the libertarian fixation on Rand Paul. The dude's a social conservative. He's basically a standard Republican, minus some of the blatant militarism and rights violations. He plays up the libertarian-leaning image to capitalize on libetarianism's increasing trend in current US politics (which is itself largely driven by Republicans who are uncomfortable with their party's militarism and religious fundamentalism...), and to link himself with his father.
First of all, U.S. politics is a way different beast from European continental politics, whereas the anglo-saxon system of two big parties by systems like first past the post, or winner takes all is set up, politics, especially one on a regional level don't develop in a system of brokering and compromising over seats, backdoor alliances and deadlocks or government resignations . (my country holds the record for longest time without a government in Europe with 536 days) it is really interesting to follow two parties toe to toe against each other.
If you look at the Democrats and republicans you see the rise of the young, indebted counter establishment parties, the people who might have voted Kucinich for Dems or Ron Paul for reps. now moved on to two very opposing candidates with a very big green-roots base, which is refreshing to see, because a year ago, it seemed it would be Bush vs clinton, which are two political dynasties intertwined with the US political system and mostly to blame for the current state of American affairs. (Isn't it under Bill Clinton student debt and the housing crisis took off?)Sanders wins in any way i look at his program or past compared to Hillary Clinton but he needs to work on his coinflips. Meanwhile at the republican side, it seems most of the user base who used to support Ron Pauls fiscally convservative isiolationism have jumped ship to trump except of Rand Paul.
Can any of you Americans explain why Rand Paul has lacked the support that ron paul had except a lack of charisma and Donald Trump whio appeals to the former Ron Paul base? I'm curious on how well Trump will do in the next caucas states, becuase the Rubio and Cruz surge are intersting to watch, especially since I haven't bumped into an American yet who declared his support for either, and I imagine if they run, they would probably lose vs Sanders? Or is this skewed?
Interesting nonetheless, but you will all regret in the end you never casted a vote for the inventor of vulcano boarding the amazing http://www.zoltanistvan.com/ of the transhumanist party.
First of all, U.S. politics is a way different beast from European continental politics, whereas the anglo-saxon system of two big parties by systems like first past the post, or winner takes all is set up, politics, especially one on a regional level don't develop in a system of brokering and compromising over seats, backdoor alliances and deadlocks or government resignations . (my country holds the record for longest time without a government in Europe with 536 days) it is really interesting to follow two parties toe to toe against each other.
If you look at the Democrats and republicans you see the rise of the young, indebted counter establishment parties, the people who might have voted Kucinich for Dems or Ron Paul for reps. now moved on to two very opposing candidates with a very big green-roots base, which is refreshing to see, because a year ago, it seemed it would be Bush vs clinton, which are two political dynasties intertwined with the US political system and mostly to blame for the current state of American affairs. (Isn't it under Bill Clinton student debt and the housing crisis took off?)Sanders wins in any way i look at his program or past compared to Hillary Clinton but he needs to work on his coinflips. Meanwhile at the republican side, it seems most of the user base who used to support Ron Pauls fiscally convservative isiolationism have jumped ship to trump except of Rand Paul.
Can any of you Americans explain why Rand Paul has lacked the support that ron paul had except a lack of charisma and Donald Trump whio appeals to the former Ron Paul base? I'm curious on how well Trump will do in the next caucas states, becuase the Rubio and Cruz surge are intersting to watch, especially since I haven't bumped into an American yet who declared his support for either, and I imagine if they run, they would probably lose vs Sanders? Or is this skewed?
Interesting nonetheless, but you will all regret in the end you never casted a vote for the inventor of vulcano boarding the amazing http://www.zoltanistvan.com/ of the transhumanist party.
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sacCan any of you Americans explain why Rand Paul has lacked the support that ron paul had except a lack of charisma and Donald Trump whio appeals to the former Ron Paul base? I'm curious on how well Trump will do in the next caucas states, becuase the Rubio and Cruz surge are intersting to watch, especially since I haven't bumped into an American yet who declared his support for either, and I imagine if they run, they would probably lose vs Sanders? Or is this skewed?
I'm not an american but I've interacted with them enough on forums and other platforms to have a decent idea why
Rand decided the best way to get elected was by being another cuck
Started pandering for BLM and SJW crap
Did the typical republicuck thing of putting the interests of others before people who are actually going to vote for you
Not clapping enough for Bibi
A lot of his "supporters" did the whole "I'm not supporting the jackboot by voting" signalling
And like you said Trump
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Can any of you Americans explain why Rand Paul has lacked the support that ron paul had except a lack of charisma and Donald Trump whio appeals to the former Ron Paul base? I'm curious on how well Trump will do in the next caucas states, becuase the Rubio and Cruz surge are intersting to watch, especially since I haven't bumped into an American yet who declared his support for either, and I imagine if they run, they would probably lose vs Sanders? Or is this skewed?
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I'm not an american but I've interacted with them enough on forums and other platforms to have a decent idea why
Rand decided the best way to get elected was by being another cuck
Started pandering for BLM and SJW crap
Did the typical republicuck thing of putting the interests of others before people who are actually going to vote for you
Not clapping enough for Bibi
A lot of his "supporters" did the whole "I'm not supporting the jackboot by voting" signalling
And like you said Trump