Raptor cut from Planet Express

#121

Fire

3 Frags – +

x

#122

nuze

31 Frags – +

Put me in coach.

#123

Brutalix

31 Frags – +

I would feel so at home in eu tf2. Bring some of this amazing animosity and drama to aus tf2 pls, we are fucking boring.

#124

sheepy_dogs_hand

15 Frags – +

Stop the iikq bullying. I'm not the best at judging demoman skill but he does his job and that's enough. Even if you look at his stats in officials he isn't that far behind other demomen in prem. This is pretty uncalled for and mean tbh. I know some of you don't understand why raptor was cut or think we shouldn't have done it but there's no need to start turning on iikq for no good reason. I don't know what iikq has ever done but I think he is a really nice guy and doesn't deserve this. There are much more unskilled players in prem right now and no one seems to say anything about them.

#125

deca

12 Frags – +

iikq is a good demoman, nuze is just better imo.
Its your call to make, do you wanna up your chances to contest playoffs, or rather play with the people you like.

#126

omni

huds.tf

6 Frags – +

sheepy_dogs_handStop the iikq bullying. I'm not the best at judging demoman skill but he does his job and that's enough. Even if you look at his stats in officials he isn't that far behind other demomen in prem. This is pretty uncalled for and mean tbh. I know some of you don't understand why raptor was cut or think we shouldn't have done it but there's no need to start turning on iikq for no good reason. I don't know what iikq has ever done but I think he is a really nice guy and doesn't deserve this. There are much more unskilled players in prem right now and no one seems to say anything about them.

I think it's the just the comparison between 2 players on your team and what others think about them. Although it seems irrelevant to bring up iikq's skill in this thread, it's more relevant than bringing up other random players on different prem teams when it doesn't relate to them.

Either way, you guys made your choice, and it's not really worth paying attention to the opinions of what others think now. Good luck with the new medic you guys pick up.

[quote=sheepy_dogs_hand]Stop the iikq bullying. I'm not the best at judging demoman skill but he does his job and that's enough. Even if you look at his stats in officials he isn't that far behind other demomen in prem. This is pretty uncalled for and mean tbh. I know some of you don't understand why raptor was cut or think we shouldn't have done it but there's no need to start turning on iikq for no good reason. I don't know what iikq has ever done but I think he is a really nice guy and doesn't deserve this. There are much more unskilled players in prem right now and no one seems to say anything about them.[/quote]
I think it's the just the comparison between 2 players on your team and what others think about them. Although it seems irrelevant to bring up iikq's skill in this thread, it's more relevant than bringing up other random players on different prem teams when it doesn't relate to them.

Either way, you guys made your choice, and it's not really worth paying attention to the opinions of what others think now. Good luck with the new medic you guys pick up.

#127

Triangle

22 Frags – +

hello i have a completely unsolicited opinion about prem teams and players that nobody wants

ok thanks for listening

hello i have a completely unsolicited opinion about prem teams and players that nobody wants

ok thanks for listening

#128

Lupus

7 Frags – +

CondoMI too feel the need to add my 2 cents to this discussion.

And I'm still waiting for Mundi to add his 2chainz to this discussion.

[quote=CondoM]I too feel the need to add my 2 cents to this discussion.[/quote]

And I'm still waiting for Mundi to add his 2chainz to this discussion.

#129

Hildreth

3 Frags – +

Trianglehello i have a completely unsolicited opinion about prem teams and players that nobody wants

ok thanks for listening

That's not true, I want to hear it.

[quote=Triangle]hello i have a completely unsolicited opinion about prem teams and players that nobody wants

ok thanks for listening[/quote]

That's not true, I want to hear it.

#130

Setlet

-27 Frags – +

Every demo except kaidus is the same in skill in EU. Replacing iikq would do nothing. Demo's impact in game is pretty low and if you do your job correctly, there's not much you can do anymore. And iikq does his job well. It would be illadviced to bring these "new school superstar prodigys" demos to PlanEx as their knowledge on how to play against very good scouts and roamers is limited. It will take a season at least to know your place in the game. Pickups and mixes mean nothing and only make you too confident and too aggressive.

pls kick iikq and take me Kappa

E: Also, I think spudd is exceptionally good at this game.
EE: Damn I forgot Spary as well sry :(

Every demo except kaidus is the same in skill in EU. Replacing iikq would do nothing. Demo's impact in game is pretty low and if you do your job correctly, there's not much you can do anymore. And iikq does his job well. It would be illadviced to bring these "new school superstar prodigys" demos to PlanEx as their knowledge on how to play against very good scouts and roamers is limited. It will take a season at least to know your place in the game. Pickups and mixes mean nothing and only make you too confident and too aggressive.

pls kick iikq and take me Kappa

E: Also, I think spudd is exceptionally good at this game.
EE: Damn I forgot Spary as well sry :(

#131

nukkye

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This is turning into a HLTV.org forum , pls don't .

#132

kflay

24 Frags – +

nukkyeThis is turning into a HLTV.org forum , pls don't .

I aren't think that

[quote=nukkye]This is turning into a HLTV.org forum , pls don't .[/quote]
I aren't think that

#133

WML

-2 Frags – +

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#134

Thaigrr

7 Frags – +

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKbU8B-QVZk

#135

Dennia

-3 Frags – +

https://youtu.be/Ki5cvEPu_e0?t=1m24s

#136

nuze

18 Frags – +

Setlet Demo's impact in game is pretty low

While I agree with this, saying that theres not much more you can do when you are talking about every demo except kaidus is just wrong. There is plenty room for improvement for most of the demos in prem, and its just a matter of applying their skill set in a different manner to how they are used to. Since the sticky nerf and the evolution of the meta to the current scout-heavy style, demomen should play a much more supportive heal efficient role to maximise their effect and enable their team. Take a look at how duwatna played with froyo, and compare it to how numlocked played in i49 epsi, there's a huge disparity in the how heal efficient they were within those teams, but they were both the best demos in the game at the time of their peaks. IMO kaidus is the only demo in a top team atm (probably termo as well but I haven't been paying much attention to the AU scene so I can't say that with confidence) that has the mechanics and decision making to play a more heal heavy leading demo and have it work within the dynamic of his players. I think it is fair to say iikq hasn't been a big impact player for PlanEx so far, but he definitely has the skill set to be able to do so, and that is the case for pretty much every demo in prem, like I said, its a matter of how they apply their skill set within the dynamic of their team.

sheepy_dogs_hand Even if you look at his stats in officials he isn't that far behind other demomen in prem.

Also I dont think stats indicate how impactful demos are nearly as much as they used to. Take ryb for example; he never had great stats but ask almost anyone that played against him regularly, they will tell you that he is hard to play against. There's a reason he is one of the greatest demos to play the game.

Also gl raptor

[quote=Setlet] Demo's impact in game is pretty low [/quote]
While I agree with this, saying that theres not much more you can do when you are talking about every demo except kaidus is just wrong. There is plenty room for improvement for most of the demos in prem, and its just a matter of applying their skill set in a different manner to how they are used to. Since the sticky nerf and the evolution of the meta to the current scout-heavy style, demomen should play a much more supportive heal efficient role to maximise their effect and enable their team. Take a look at how duwatna played with froyo, and compare it to how numlocked played in i49 epsi, there's a huge disparity in the how heal efficient they were within those teams, but they were both the best demos in the game at the time of their peaks. IMO kaidus is the only demo in a top team atm (probably termo as well but I haven't been paying much attention to the AU scene so I can't say that with confidence) that has the mechanics and decision making to play a more heal heavy leading demo and have it work within the dynamic of his players. I think it is fair to say iikq hasn't been a big impact player for PlanEx so far, but he definitely has the skill set to be able to do so, and that is the case for pretty much every demo in prem, like I said, its a matter of how they apply their skill set within the dynamic of their team.

[quote=sheepy_dogs_hand] Even if you look at his stats in officials he isn't that far behind other demomen in prem. [/quote]

Also I dont think stats indicate how impactful demos are nearly as much as they used to. Take ryb for example; he never had great stats but ask almost anyone that played against him regularly, they will tell you that he is hard to play against. There's a reason he is one of the greatest demos to play the game.

Also gl raptor

#137

schocky

2 Frags – +

BrutalixI would feel so at home in eu tf2. Bring some of this amazing animosity and drama to aus tf2 pls, we are fucking boring.

lets heat it up again, just for u! and since people are okay with shittalking ppl's performance here you have my opinion:

i can totally understand sheepy's decision cutting him. i have no idea how he was during that time but i have played few times with raptor and he was very bigheaded and liked to criticize people's decision. beside of that i know that he can't take criticism.
so why the hell should they keep him if the chemistry does not fit? just because you guys heard him from a stream you have no idea how he really is so please stop defending him by flaming about other players (like their demoman). how would you know how the team's atmosphere was? sheepy told me no one streamed during that time.

now to his player perfomance:
watched him one time (it was an official) so i cannot really say that much about it but i have played against him in high when he was roamer.... played against better soldiers (in high) the last seasons imo.

sad to see that he gets so many fans while being a sycophant on streams and chats. #realtalk

edit: why is the realtalk website down btw?

[quote=Brutalix]I would feel so at home in eu tf2. Bring some of this amazing animosity and drama to aus tf2 pls, we are fucking boring.[/quote]

lets heat it up again, just for u! and since people are okay with shittalking ppl's performance here you have my opinion:

i can totally understand sheepy's decision cutting him. i have no idea how he was during that time but i have played few times with raptor and he was very bigheaded and liked to criticize people's decision. beside of that i know that he can't take criticism.
so why the hell should they keep him if the chemistry does not fit? just because you guys heard him from a stream you have no idea how he really is so please stop defending him by flaming about other players (like their demoman). how would you know how the team's atmosphere was? sheepy told me no one streamed during that time.

now to his player perfomance:
watched him one time (it was an official) so i cannot really say that much about it but i have played against him in high when he was roamer.... played against better soldiers (in high) the last seasons imo.

sad to see that he gets so many fans while being a sycophant on streams and chats. #realtalk

edit: why is the realtalk website down btw?

#138

Triangle

20 Frags – +

HildrethTrianglehello i have a completely unsolicited opinion about prem teams and players that nobody wants

ok thanks for listening
That's not true, I want to hear it.

ok

i think there's too much drama in prem teams and players

that's my opinion about prem teams and players that hildreth wants

thanks for listening

[quote=Hildreth][quote=Triangle]hello i have a completely unsolicited opinion about prem teams and players that nobody wants

ok thanks for listening[/quote]

That's not true, I want to hear it.[/quote]

ok

i think there's too much drama in prem teams and players

that's my opinion about prem teams and players that hildreth wants

thanks for listening

#139

sheepy_dogs_hand

34 Frags – +

Triangle
i think there's too much drama in prem teams and players

People say this but everyone secretly loves it. This is the most entertaining thread in months.

[quote=Triangle]

i think there's too much drama in prem teams and players

[/quote]

People say this but everyone secretly loves it. This is the most entertaining thread in months.

#140

Mert

7 Frags – +

sheepy_dogs_handTriangle
i think there's too much drama in prem teams and players

People say this but everyone secretly loves it. This is the most entertaining thread in months.

The drama is both juicy and embarrassing

[quote=sheepy_dogs_hand][quote=Triangle]

i think there's too much drama in prem teams and players

[/quote]

People say this but everyone secretly loves it. This is the most entertaining thread in months.[/quote]

The drama is both juicy and embarrassing

#141

it_is_crown

8 Frags – +

Wait - this still going on?

#142

Setlet

6 Frags – +

NusemanSetlet Demo's impact in game is pretty low While I agree with this, saying that theres not much more you can do when you are talking about every demo except kaidus is just wrong. There is plenty room for improvement for most of the demos in prem, and its just a matter of applying their skill set in a different manner to how they are used to. Since the sticky nerf and the evolution of the meta to the current scout-heavy style, demomen should play a much more supportive heal efficient role to maximise their effect and enable their team. Take a look at how duwatna played with froyo, and compare it to how numlocked played in i49 epsi, there's a huge disparity in the how heal efficient they were within those teams, but they were both the best demos in the game at the time of their peaks. IMO kaidus is the only demo in a top team atm (probably termo as well but I haven't been paying much attention to the AU scene so I can't say that with confidence) that has the mechanics and decision making to play a more heal heavy leading demo and have it work within the dynamic of his players.

You bring up some good points and while I agree with you, it all comes back to this:

SetletDemo's impact in game is pretty low

. I think you can get better in all aspects of the game, but because demo's impact is still low, you don't really make your team win more by suddenly getting better in positioning for example. I never said that kaidus made his team win more than other demos because he was a better aimer or positioner (that's what you were implying?). I was meant to say that because he maincalls/affects the team's decisions in such a big way, he is way better skilled than any other player in prem and thus has more impact, but that's not because of being demo itself. I should have said "Kaidus is a better player than any other demo in prem" instead.

NusemanI think it is fair to say iikq hasn't been a big impact player for PlanEx so far, but he definitely has the skill set to be able to do so, and that is the case for pretty much every demo in prem, like I said, its a matter of how they apply their skill set within the dynamic of their team.

Well I don't think any other team has a big impact demo either, except for NerdRage for the reasons I mentioned. Iikq can improve, but iikq being suddenly the best player in the whole universe wont make PlanEx win, so won't the "new demos" people bring up here to replace him.

[quote=Nuseman][quote=Setlet] Demo's impact in game is pretty low [/quote]
While I agree with this, saying that theres not much more you can do when you are talking about every demo except kaidus is just wrong. There is plenty room for improvement for most of the demos in prem, and its just a matter of applying their skill set in a different manner to how they are used to. Since the sticky nerf and the evolution of the meta to the current scout-heavy style, demomen should play a much more supportive heal efficient role to maximise their effect and enable their team. Take a look at how duwatna played with froyo, and compare it to how numlocked played in i49 epsi, there's a huge disparity in the how heal efficient they were within those teams, but they were both the best demos in the game at the time of their peaks. IMO kaidus is the only demo in a top team atm (probably termo as well but I haven't been paying much attention to the AU scene so I can't say that with confidence) that has the mechanics and decision making to play a more heal heavy leading demo and have it work within the dynamic of his players.[/quote]

You bring up some good points and while I agree with you, it all comes back to this: [quote=Setlet]Demo's impact in game is pretty low[/quote]. I think you can get better in all aspects of the game, but because demo's impact is still low, you don't really make your team win more by suddenly getting better in positioning for example. I never said that kaidus made his team win more than other demos because he was a better aimer or positioner (that's what you were implying?). I was meant to say that because he maincalls/affects the team's decisions in such a big way, he is way better skilled than any other player in prem and thus has more impact, but that's not because of being demo itself. I should have said "Kaidus is a better player than any other demo in prem" instead.

[quote=Nuseman]I think it is fair to say iikq hasn't been a big impact player for PlanEx so far, but he definitely has the skill set to be able to do so, and that is the case for pretty much every demo in prem, like I said, its a matter of how they apply their skill set within the dynamic of their team.[/quote]

Well I don't think any other team has a big impact demo either, except for NerdRage for the reasons I mentioned. Iikq can improve, but iikq being suddenly the best player in the whole universe wont make PlanEx win, so won't the "new demos" people bring up here to replace him.

#143

Triangle

11 Frags – +

sheepy_dogs_handTriangle
i think there's too much drama in prem teams and players

People say this but everyone secretly loves it. This is the most entertaining thread in months.

alright you got me i've secretly been mashing refresh so i can watch more internet people argue :^)

[quote=sheepy_dogs_hand][quote=Triangle]

i think there's too much drama in prem teams and players

[/quote]

People say this but everyone secretly loves it. This is the most entertaining thread in months.[/quote]

alright you got me i've secretly been mashing refresh so i can watch more internet people argue :^)

#144

nuze

10 Frags – +

SetletI was meant to say that because he maincalls/affects the team's decisions in such a big way, he is way better skilled than any other player in prem and thus has more impact, but that's not because of being demo itself. I should have said "Kaidus is a better player than any other demo in prem" instead.

Yeah I'd agree with you completely then. Isn't it nice when two people on this thread agree on something.

[quote=Setlet]I was meant to say that because he maincalls/affects the team's decisions in such a big way, he is way better skilled than any other player in prem and thus has more impact, but that's not because of being demo itself. I should have said "Kaidus is a better player than any other demo in prem" instead.
[/quote]

Yeah I'd agree with you completely then. Isn't it nice when two people on this thread agree on something.

#145

Setlet

38 Frags – +

NusemanYeah I'd agree with you completely then. Isn't it nice when two people on this thread agree on something.

Fuck you

[quote=Nuseman]Yeah I'd agree with you completely then. Isn't it nice when two people on this thread agree on something.[/quote]

Fuck you

#146

Moursi

31 Frags – +

SetletFuck you

the fuck

[quote=Setlet]
Fuck you[/quote]
the fuck

#147

Pete_

1 Frags – +

schocky and cykaz posting on tf2 forums
they never learn
https://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/emoticons/v1/4057/1.0

#148

Rhettro

-3 Frags – +

SetletEvery demo except kaidus is the same in skill in EU. Replacing iikq would do nothing. Demo's impact in game is pretty low and if you do your job correctly, there's not much you can do anymore. And iikq does his job well. It would be illadviced to bring these "new school superstar prodigys" demos to PlanEx as their knowledge on how to play against very good scouts and roamers is limited. It will take a season at least to know your place in the game. Pickups and mixes mean nothing and only make you too confident and too aggressive.

pls kick iikq and take me Kappa

E: Also, I think spudd is exceptionally good at this game.
EE: Damn I forgot Spary as well sry :(

that's really dumb, you're saying demomen aren't useful if they aren't good???

[quote=Setlet]Every demo except kaidus is the same in skill in EU. Replacing iikq would do nothing. Demo's impact in game is pretty low and if you do your job correctly, there's not much you can do anymore. And iikq does his job well. It would be illadviced to bring these "new school superstar prodigys" demos to PlanEx as their knowledge on how to play against very good scouts and roamers is limited. It will take a season at least to know your place in the game. Pickups and mixes mean nothing and only make you too confident and too aggressive.

pls kick iikq and take me Kappa

E: Also, I think spudd is exceptionally good at this game.
EE: Damn I forgot Spary as well sry :([/quote]
that's really dumb, you're saying demomen aren't useful if they aren't good???

#149

biskuu

-5 Frags – +

get bren
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEdjUpO02Wk

#150

Ombrack

29 Frags – +

Hello boys, i'm free