are you aware of the concept of suspension of disbelief?

this is a pretty useless argument. viewmodels are used to determine distance with things like melee weapons, if the concept of realism mattered as much as ppl are implying then we shouldn't be having invisible feet, and we definitely shouldn't be able to turn off viewmodels like we currently can

the actual reason is that, past 90, they're obnoxious and ugly, and by that point you should just turn the damn thing off

Pretty much every modern first-person game has viewmodels locked somewhere between ~70 and ~50. That's no accident; those are the values that are pretty much required to not look like a pile of garbage, especially when the real FOV is capped at similar values.

It's impossible to remove all cases of clipping in a 3D game, especially one with customizable cosmetics like TF2; this doesn't mean that Valve "doesn't care" about aesthetics. Locking the viewmodel_fov is not about "realism" vs "gameplay"; it's about aesthetics. Sure, there are things in TF2 that lower the overall aesthetic quality of the game, but you will look at those things and say "wow that cosmetic is really fucking ugly" and not "wow this game is really fucking ugly".

I disagree. Quake and Reflex both have an option to change these values to basically whatever you want them to be, you can hide viewmodels if you don't like them. This is not something "aesthetic", it's a simple customization.

Quake is also dead Kappa

I suppose the difference is that Quake and Reflex are targeted towards hardcore gamers whereas a lot of tf2 is designed around appealing to a more casual crowd. That's part of the reason why so many tf2 players have always been so negative towards competitive. Now Valve is trying to change that, but they're also going to keep trying to appeal to the more casual players as well.

I mean CS:GO is sort of targeted towards hardcore gamers and yet the viewmodel_fov limit is 68

You can also use viewmodel_offset_xyz commands to make it farther from the screen though

Here's what the viewmodels in CS:GO look like with viewmodel_fov 68 and viewmodel_offset_xyz commands to make it farther from the screen

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/309991900848407932/8AF94D7BC5BE78D10382BD7C4CF1D50AC66F6378/

You also can't turn the viewmodels off in CS:GO if anybody was wondering

tbh I couldn't care less what the viewmodels are locked to as long as I can turn them off

Viewmodels in CS:GO are considerably less intrusive than they are in TF2.

Fixed for you.

you can't turn them off, i'd consider that pretty intrusive

also i'm not going to repeat the argument of "viewmodels look bad with high fov" again, that's already been discussed and explained many times in this thread

And they look even worse covering 40% of my screen.
Allso that argument doesn't really hold water. Viewmodels look fine at 90 and below. Capping it at 70 is excessively low.

CS viewmodels are on the bottom of the screen. TF2 viewmodels are on the center side on some weapons. The RL viewmodel is by FAR more intrusive than anything in CS:GO and personally i wouldnt want to be forced to use the original.

You can see inside of your arms

That is my problem not Valve's. If i want to see the inside of my arms then let me see the inside of my arms.

There has already been a huge explanation of how valve wants to standardize the look of the game for streams etc...

If they want to do that they can at least put the effort in to make the viewmodels less intrusive before forcing it down my throat.

I would like to not get an Abandon for playing a full match. It happened to me last game and a friend of mine a few games ago.

-Use X/minute stats instead of totals on scoreboards and for assigning badges. Right now, you can play a short game where everyone on your team plays really well and get no badges, while a long game where people don't do much of anything nets golds across the board. Better to use DPM instead of total damage, KPM instead of overall kills, etc.

-The community has been playtesting and updating these maps for 10 years. Why am I playing on cp_viaduct with the snow and the crazy sniper lines when a better version exists?

-Hopefully the finished version will have either a "Queue for X maps" or a map vote at the start of the round (similar to CSGO). This will allow Valve to look at stats for which maps are popular and which need to be changed.

BTW, I saw someone mention paying for a MM pass in another thread. They aren't planning on charging for this, are they?

Right now, it looks a lot like they're imitating Blizzard (closed betas, stress tests, and forced hype; limiting user decisions regarding UI; hugbox scoreboards; misguided balance ideas). It's a strange path for Valve to go down and I hope to see some of the old Valve design philosophy creeping in as this gets closer to release.

I keep getting a queue priority ban. It says its safe to leave and I hit leave and I'm banned. Happened twice. First time was to a game that never started, second was after the round was over. So lame.

CSGO doesn't have a voting system. You queue for specific maps.

Better anti-cheat. Played in three nights worth, ran in to three hackers so far.

It will be a huge hack fest if valve doesn't at least implement an overwatch system.

Pretty sure you're gonna have to pay for a pass to get into matchmaking when it comes out.