Best tf2 player of all time

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spammyh

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mustardoverlordspammymustardoverlordspammySchocky for his movement back in the gold days, cookye/haffi/stark for the smart plays
please do not put hafficool's name anywhere near the rest of those playersI like his playstyle personally and I have different opinion
you could literally plug in like 10 different random eu scouts and have a reasonable facsimile of him

Yes, that is true - but there is a reason why he's playing in the very top of tf2

[quote=mustardoverlord][quote=spammy][quote=mustardoverlord][quote=spammy]Schocky for his movement back in the gold days, cookye/haffi/stark for the smart plays[/quote]

please do not put hafficool's name anywhere near the rest of those players[/quote]
I like his playstyle personally and I have different opinion[/quote]

you could literally plug in like 10 different random eu scouts and have a reasonable facsimile of him[/quote]
Yes, that is true - but there is a reason why he's playing in the very top of tf2

#62

DrPloxo

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mTurinidk how you could ever say not b4nny because he's achieved more than anyone else
i am 100% sure that you can take plat/harb/enigma, make them play as much as banny and they would have as many if not more championships

plat won invite while holding down a career and working 60 hours a week multiple times ~lol~

yes banny has won the most and he should be listed as such but if youre talking about actual individual skill theres a definite subset of players who were better than banny when they were actually playing the game

tlr also was the best soldier on earth by far when he gave a shit so im sure that counts for something

Of course there were better players. But that's like saying there were smarter kids in the class that got As than the kid that studied all the time and got pure 100%s.
You're right, but that doesn't disqualify who is at the top of the class.

[quote=m][quote=Turin]idk how you could ever say not b4nny because he's achieved more than anyone else[/quote]

i am 100% sure that you can take plat/harb/enigma, make them play as much as banny and they would have as many if not more championships

plat won invite while holding down a career and working 60 hours a week multiple times ~lol~

yes banny has won the most and he should be listed as such but if youre talking about actual individual skill theres a definite subset of players who were better than banny when they were actually playing the game

tlr also was the best soldier on earth by far when he gave a shit so im sure that counts for something[/quote]
Of course there were better players. But that's like saying there were smarter kids in the class that got As than the kid that studied all the time and got pure 100%s.
You're right, but that doesn't disqualify who is at the top of the class.

#63

mustardoverlord

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spammymustardoverlordspammymustardoverlordspammySchocky for his movement back in the gold days, cookye/haffi/stark for the smart plays
please do not put hafficool's name anywhere near the rest of those playersI like his playstyle personally and I have different opinion
you could literally plug in like 10 different random eu scouts and have a reasonable facsimile of himYes, that is true - but there is a reason why he's playing in the very top of tf2

not every player who has ever been on the #1 team in a region at a given time deserves to be on these all-time lists

I don't see a lot of people mentioning squid, kiler4funn, tagg, cyzer, ma3la, rr, relic, etc. list goes on and on

[quote=spammy][quote=mustardoverlord][quote=spammy][quote=mustardoverlord][quote=spammy]Schocky for his movement back in the gold days, cookye/haffi/stark for the smart plays[/quote]

please do not put hafficool's name anywhere near the rest of those players[/quote]
I like his playstyle personally and I have different opinion[/quote]

you could literally plug in like 10 different random eu scouts and have a reasonable facsimile of him[/quote]
Yes, that is true - but there is a reason why he's playing in the very top of tf2[/quote]

not every player who has ever been on the #1 team in a region at a given time deserves to be on these all-time lists

I don't see a lot of people mentioning squid, kiler4funn, tagg, cyzer, ma3la, rr, relic, etc. list goes on and on

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coolfool

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Stabby

#65

snowall

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well i would put the obvious choice here but then id get banned again for mentioning his holy name

#66

diamond0wner

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Q U A D B O Y S

#67

DavyC

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harbleu

#68

junemofu

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i stand by my statement

#69

frenzy_

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mang0

#70

casino

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#71

Avast

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I mean there's definitely an argument to be made that platinum could be a better player then b4nny by using the age old tf2 tradition of who tries less but still does good bc its a giant circlejerk in tf2 when it comes to bragging about how little you play

but b4nny by all categories is the best tf2 player besides the "I try so little" category

I mean there's definitely an argument to be made that platinum could be a better player then b4nny by using the age old tf2 tradition of who tries less but still does good bc its a giant circlejerk in tf2 when it comes to bragging about how little you play

but b4nny by all categories is the best tf2 player besides the "I try so little" category

#72

cancel

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is the best tf2 player considered by how good they are are their main class or how good they are at all the classes?
either way it's b4nny or clockwork

#73

Stevie

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Enigma for me..until Blizzard had an idea for a new game

#74

sheepy_dogs_hand

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mustardoverlordspammySchocky for his movement back in the gold days, cookye/haffi/stark for the smart plays
please do not put hafficool's name anywhere near the rest of those players

Dunno where this is coming from. This is what happens when NA mid player thinks he knows something about European prem. Haffi is made to play the type of role where he pockets his medic very heavily and he probably does that better than any other scout in the world right now. It's hard to see how much work he is doing a lot of the time because he isn't the one making big plays for everyone to see on twitch but coming from a fellow prem scout I think haffi plays the extreme pocket scout that his teams needs perfectly. Even if he got this meme around him of choking he has been very consistent recently and I feel like most other prem players would agree with me on this.

[quote=mustardoverlord][quote=spammy]Schocky for his movement back in the gold days, cookye/haffi/stark for the smart plays[/quote]

please do not put hafficool's name anywhere near the rest of those players[/quote]

Dunno where this is coming from. This is what happens when NA mid player thinks he knows something about European prem. Haffi is made to play the type of role where he pockets his medic very heavily and he probably does that better than any other scout in the world right now. It's hard to see how much work he is doing a lot of the time because he isn't the one making big plays for everyone to see on twitch but coming from a fellow prem scout I think haffi plays the extreme pocket scout that his teams needs perfectly. Even if he got this meme around him of choking he has been very consistent recently and I feel like most other prem players would agree with me on this.

#75

delete_my_account

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#76

clckwrk

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mTurinidk how you could ever say not b4nny because he's achieved more than anyone else
i am 100% sure that you can take plat/harb/enigma, make them play as much as banny and they would have as many if not more championships

plat won invite while holding down a career and working 60 hours a week multiple times ~lol~

yes banny has won the most and he should be listed as such but if youre talking about actual individual skill theres a definite subset of players who were better than banny when they were actually playing the game

tlr also was the best soldier on earth by far when he gave a shit so im sure that counts for something

100% sure

I've played with and against the players you're talking about and your reasoning for their ranking is literally just the opposite of a b4nny sub. You probably have to rank b4nny as the best considering he has the most wins and unfortunately reality is all that matters. That being said, I also couldn't be 100% sure of whether he is better or worse than platinum in an alternate universe where platinum is 17 years old, even with my knowledge of the game and experience playing all of these players in matches that matter at LAN.

There is most definitely not for sure a "subset" of "actual individual skill" comprised of players better than b4nny. There could be, but even if there were, the amount would be negligible, to the point where spectating them for 4 years does not and will never give you enough context to substantiate any of these claims.

[quote=m][quote=Turin]idk how you could ever say not b4nny because he's achieved more than anyone else[/quote]

i am 100% sure that you can take plat/harb/enigma, make them play as much as banny and they would have as many if not more championships

plat won invite while holding down a career and working 60 hours a week multiple times ~lol~

yes banny has won the most and he should be listed as such but if youre talking about actual individual skill theres a definite subset of players who were better than banny when they were actually playing the game

tlr also was the best soldier on earth by far when he gave a shit so im sure that counts for something[/quote]

[b]100% sure[/b]

I've played with and against the players you're talking about and your reasoning for their ranking is literally just the opposite of a b4nny sub. You probably have to rank b4nny as the best considering he has the most wins and unfortunately reality is all that matters. That being said, I also couldn't be 100% sure of whether he is better or worse than platinum in an alternate universe where platinum is 17 years old, even with my knowledge of the game and experience playing all of these players in matches that matter at LAN.

There is most definitely not for sure a "subset" of "actual individual skill" comprised of players better than b4nny. There [i]could be[/i], but even if there were, the amount would be negligible, to the point where spectating them for 4 years does not and will never give you enough context to substantiate any of these claims.

#77

m

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ya i knew id fish a paragraph or two out of u with that one

its fine man relax

ya i knew id fish a paragraph or two out of u with that one

its fine man relax

#78

Jackawa

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crab_f

#79

TeeTsmcgee

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{DAT} Podgy713

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Khaki

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ConeBone69

#81

Khaki

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Also saber07

#82

eee

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AvastI mean there's definitely an argument to be made that platinum could be a better player then b4nny by using the age old tf2 tradition of who tries less but still does good bc its a giant circlejerk in tf2 when it comes to bragging about how little you play

but b4nny by all categories is the best tf2 player besides the "I try so little" category

i've calculated all the tf2 wilks and this is the best tf2 player relative to time spent playing

[quote=Avast]I mean there's definitely an argument to be made that platinum could be a better player then b4nny by using the age old tf2 tradition of who tries less but still does good bc its a giant circlejerk in tf2 when it comes to bragging about how little you play

but b4nny by all categories is the best tf2 player besides the "I try so little" category[/quote]
i've calculated all the tf2 wilks and [url=http://steamcommunity.com/id/Loganh2o/]this[/url] is the best tf2 player relative to time spent playing

#83

quequen

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carter is pretty good :)

#84

yak

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termo

#85

Lunacide

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James "yuki" Stanton

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kellen

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skyrimlord25

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SpaceCadet

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Raw ESEA stats alone, b4nny outshines his nearest competition in mostly every category. Still amazing that he only has 66 losses in 16 Invite Seasons. http://tf2db.github.io/tf2database/

Add in iSeries successes and other random tournaments I don't see how any other player has been better at winning in TF2.

Raw ESEA stats alone, b4nny outshines his nearest competition in mostly every category. Still amazing that he only has 66 losses in 16 Invite Seasons. http://tf2db.github.io/tf2database/

Add in iSeries successes and other random tournaments I don't see how any other player has been better at winning in TF2.

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xersha

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#89

DrPloxo

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LunacideJames "yuki" Stanton

In all honesty, i could see this being a real argument vs b4nny. But then again, i don't know enough about the AU scene and only saw him making hella pocket plays at one LAN.

[quote=Lunacide]James "yuki" Stanton[/quote]
In all honesty, i could see this being a real argument vs b4nny. But then again, i don't know enough about the AU scene and only saw him making hella pocket plays at one LAN.

#90

eee

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DrPloxoLunacideJames "yuki" StantonIn all honesty, i could see this being a real argument vs b4nny. But then again, i don't know enough about the AU scene and only saw him making hella pocket plays at one LAN.

yr back to comparing potential vs results. 3 quotes down this chain it'll end up being "if yuki was NA he'd be a serious contender" or w/e

[quote=DrPloxo][quote=Lunacide]James "yuki" Stanton[/quote]
In all honesty, i could see this being a real argument vs b4nny. But then again, i don't know enough about the AU scene and only saw him making hella pocket plays at one LAN.[/quote]
yr back to comparing potential vs results. 3 quotes down this chain it'll end up being "if yuki was NA he'd be a serious contender" or w/e