they should give cinq a community medigun

I got one because of you guys, thanks, I like it a lot. :-)

he hasa one

oops makes complete sense, my mistake.

Can you please ban/restrict certain people from playing? I know, everyone should be able to play, but frankly some people should just not be allowed to play. People such as "Mikeikeikeikeikeke", Bape and those alike, they enjoy ruining pugs. It's especially worse when one of said players argue or "troll" their team in Mumble during the game and are not listening to anyone or anything.

Yes.

rip bape

I am pretty sure that Bape got IP / Steam ID banned. Also, I fixed the !restrict command.

The Steam group I made and the new admin commands I am bringing will help us to have a solid group of admins that are informed of everything.

not too big a deal, but would be nice if you could add up as multiple classes

restrict mikeikeikeike please

I think Bape was roaming around in #tf2mix yesterday. It might have been pug.na, so I can't remember exactly. But that's fine though, him and Mike both deserve to be banned from playing. I apologize, Think, and anyone others who see this that were on our team. I thought he was YouMustMike and I was wrong.

We've talked about this before Cinq, but I think that to those who have OP with little to no ability to do anything with it should just not have it. If I have that star next to my name, I'd rather me be able to monitor the channel when others aren't around instead of having it just because you wanted me to have a star near my name.

I'm sure the channel has authority figures aside from yourself (I know Michael has OP but I'm unaware of his ability to use it in ways actually needed), but I do feel as if there either aren't enough of said authority figures or they are just not on often enough to do anything about these problems.

I never really see any admins do anything besides Think.

what does mike do besides topfrag and call everybody bad?

Let us add up as more than one class please.

think is da bees

He was, I was in a pug with him yesterday, he was aliasing. I won't name other names here but I was in what amounted to be a pretty worthless pug because two or three guys on my team were just trolling and off classing.

I'm glad kirby brought it up because I'm a relatively new 6's player. I'm not *completely* new and I know the basics so #tf2mix is pretty much the best option for me. I love that it's available and thankful to cinq, but for some reason the last week or so, I have had more troll pugs than real pugs.

It's awesome that some higher-level players play in #tf2mix because a lot of them are really helpful but it seems like some people just play there because they know the level of play is going to be lower and it allows them to fuck around and more or less be a tool with the newer players. It's extremely unhelpful to players like me who are actually playing to get better. I scrim when I can but there's still a lot for me to learn and a pug where everybody is trying would still teach me a lot.

I don't mean to sound ungrateful because I love #tf2mix, I just wanted to bring this to everyone's attention. I think the report feature would help a lot, whatever else can be done to curb the amount of trolls would be awesome. I know a lot of them don't really think it's a big deal and they're just having fun, but it is often at the expense of a newer player who is trying to improve.

EDIT: To be clear what I mean by offclassing is not standard offclassing but rather shit like running two pyros at mid and giggling like girls while doing it.

Bape is definitely going to reach his long goal of being the next most hated thing on TF2. KEEP CHUGGING LITTLE ENGINE.

Keep it to adding up as one class please. Obviously that's the only option for when the bot is picking, but it makes it a lot easier to pick fair teams when you don't have to worry about getting everyone on the right class. It's a lot simpler for new players, as well as making it more likely for a new players to get picked by a captain, if there aren't as many people added up on whatever class they chose.

Just a suggestion but could you make the !captain command only available to players with 100+ games, or something like that then rather what it currently is. This is simply because I believe captains will have a greater knowledge of the players (who is gud, who is bad) by the time they have 100 games or something that high rather then the current limit. This would promote more balanced fair games, that end up turning into shit fests where players go spy on both loosing and winning teams. These shitfests often result in a 30minute nonsense match where the stronger team dances around the weaker team without actually trying.

Another suggestion I'd like to make is to get the restrict system working. I don't believe you should ban people for being better than others and essentially not listening to their team even though they are creating opportunities and blatantly top fragging. I think that although the !report feature is good, people who are way too sensitive about everything and everything will abuse it. i.e. Someone was rude when I told them to use uber and he said I shouldn't then he got mad called me a faggot, we should restrict him :/ However, I do believe you should restrict people who are blatantly being a troll to many, many people and disrupting games by stupid off classes (spy running around with an ambassador trying to headshot) preventing them from helping their team win.

It's funny to see how one of the posters who said you should restrict people like Bape and Mike! called me and others faggots and dumpster_lord / shitlord for going captain when you are added up as captain. He went on to say I'm horrible and would never get picked if I didn't captain. Ironically he didn't end up getting picked. It's great how some people are so ready to point fingers at everyone else assuming they are the innocent sheep never doing any wrong. I can be an asshole, I'll admit it, however I'm not going to sit by and pretend I was never mean to anyone, oh and trust me, I know I'm nowhere near the best you don't have to remind me. Thanks Kirby

Go on and share your opinions with me, or you can just minus frag if you don't like me.

One thing that really needs coded is !forcescramble and !endscramble for admins (something that stops the ability to scramble any more) I've seen to many times where it's completely unfair but no one is scrambling, and on the other side to many people will scramble 10 times just to get the teams they want.

You guys are bringing valid points and it's very appreciated. Personally I appreciate when they are backed up with good arguments like these, they are very helpful because if I don't get those and don't see those issues the system won't see any improvements on these points.

I would like to address one concern that has been said at leas twice in that thread; not being able to add as multiple classes. The reason why the system is built that way is mostly technical but at the same time it has positive aspects so it will stay that way.

The captain selection was going to be my next work and it shouldn't take much time to change this. I will favor captains who have a status (invite or surfer) over the other players, and then I will favor the players with a higher number of games.

I really want to improve the scrambling process, right now admins can use !force. I will see what I can do here but don't expect any fix in the next few weeks at least.

stop banning people for off classing when they are not trolling/legitimately winning with their respective class. so many times ive seen "Admins" in this channel just abuse their right to ban an opposing player for offclassing clearly because they were mad, not because the said off classer was trolling. Off classing is a common thing in comp tf2, invite players do it, IM players do it, there is no reason for there to be a rule saying players are not allowed to offclass if they are not trolling or they are winning with that strategy.

Also don't get admins that will pull the "you are offclassing too much" shit whenever they get upset they just lost to a heavy or sniper and ban them.

It seems like every other day I wake up to someone messaging me, telling me that some kid is talking shit in mumble and everyone thinks it's me. I don't know what to do anymore...

#21 I never called you a faggot (?) or a dumpster shitlord. Ingin was talking in #tf2mix at the time and I would say he's more likely to call someone a "dumpster shitlord", or whatever, than I am. I was nagging on you for taking my captain spot, but I honestly don't care. You're not a bad guy from what I've seen so far. Don't take it personally.

#24 I believe you're thinking about pug.na. I haven't once seen someone get banned for offclassing too much in tf2mix. Though it is a viable reason to "restrict" someone for doing so (unless sniper on Viaduct and their team doesn't mind). There is absolutely no point in offclassing for 90% of the game. You might as well go play highlander if you really want those YouTube clips.

the fact that anybody with more than two hours of pyro can pretty much play the class and carry against terribles in a pug isnt a reason to ban the player

learn to win a 1v1 against a flamelord and stop being a shitlord

also to whoever wanted mike banned

http://stats.atf2.org/log/dallas_1357478400_badlands/
http://stats.atf2.org/log/dallas_1357547700_badlands/

looks like he was doing most of the work?

maybe post without letting your feelings get the best of you next time

stop acting like a total idiot 12yearold and you wont have a shitty reputation, its really not a difficult concept

this seems to be the current trend with some newer players, you're ultimately fucking yourself over because when it gets to the point that you wanna play for a serious team its not gonna happen because you'll be known as just some retard troll

The fact that you can get away with it doesn't mean you have to be a faggot and do it.

You don't have the hottest rep yourself man. Anyway don't drag me even further in this tf2mix drama. I just want to be done with it and just focus on ESEA, not get caught up in all the bullshit.

and this is why people like grape, nge and enigma can run pyro in scrims and matches and still have it work wonderfully

fine, cry about offclasses and ban the people who do it in pugs while you lose countless matches against it