i think the fact that people think they can choose what sex, race, age, and/or height they are, or any shit like that is appalling, and that people support this garbage is worse.

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but i think it's okay for people to identify with a different gender but height, age or race is retarded. how do people support this?

I believe choosing your gender is fine, doesn't matter.
I do not believe you get to just pick and choose things that are biological constructs like height, sex, or race. Obviously though if you were white and born in China you would be Chinese.

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I know a lot of people probably share your views but I'm curious as to why someone can chose their gender but not race?

What if that man in the video literally grew up in a small village in China where he spent the first 20 years of his life living with Chinese and he identified himself as a person of that Chinese tribe. He also identifies as a women.

Also I find it funny that if an individual of Chinese descent in an interview said they were American, no one would bat an eye, but when a white man says he is Chinese that raises eyebrows? Double Standard?

Should society accept this 52 year old father that identifies as a 6 year old girl? http://www.mediaite.com/online/meet-the-52-year-old-father-who-identifies-a-6-year-old-girl/

Yeah I forgot to include the clarification on origin using the example the guy gave in the video and fixed it in my post.
Honestly this whole thing got me thinking like if you were a white man born in China, obviously you WOULD be Chinese by definition. Consequently, would you also be considered Asian?

If you were a white man born in China and were given a test regarding race would you say that you are actually white and not asian?
I dunno man

Hopefully someone else can help clarify for me.

because under the modern definition gender is not based on anything physical

then they would still be chinese? not sure what your question is here

i mean obviously this person is dealing with issues in life, and they might not be dealing with it in the healthiest way but just telling them theyre wrong isnt a solution either. not sure what you mean by "should we accept them" though, no problem with letting them live their life unless you have a better solution for their issues

you are ethnically chinese and physically caucasian. not sure how this would be an issue ever

yeah, just have the definition of gender changed so people can push the fucking disgusting idea. It was a synonym for biological sex until the people who push for anti-intellectualism like this

oh so gender isn't a biological construct?
my opinion on this whole culture is that it's complete garbage, you are what you are, and obviously the people in the video contradict themselves (when they start saying things like "you just aren't" (a 6foot chinese woman).. why aren't they saying the same for a male who identifies as a female?

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There are varying definitions of gender out there on the internet. The oxford dictionary definition can be found here.

It seems to point towards biological differences in sex, male and female.

But I guess what you are suggesting is that society is shifting over the definition of gender to mean gender identity rather than sex? As a society is there a push to allow people to only determine their own gender identity or are we allowing people to determine their own biological sex (without undergoing surgeries and sex changes).

Are the definitions of male and female no longer tied to biological differences, but now tied to identity differences?

I should have been a bit more clear with my "should we accept them." By that I'm not talking about throwing them out into the streets and mocking them, I'm more talking about should that be considered acceptable by society and encouraged, or should society encourage this individual to obtain psychological help.

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In my above example if a white man grew up in a remote village in China and he also identifies as a women, on his college application would he put Chinese and female?

i think any major decision on personal identity should be accompanied by psychological help

So to clarify, if someone is a male but is starting to identify as a women, they should seek psychological help?

Or only if they want to also identify as a different age (e.g. 6 year old girl) should they seek help?

An interesting example of this is that in Scotland there is genuinely a question of whether people identify as Scottish or British. It's not uncommon for forms to have these as different options.

I've never really understood the argument for wanting to label people "scientifically". It's always just presented as "but this person is wrong". Well yeah maybe you believe they're wrong, but does that really matter more than their happiness?

I was just wondering on a purely technical level, I don't believe what race you are would actually ever be an issue.
Thanks for the insight tho, I was curious.

I believe sex is a biological construct based on for example your sex chromosomes and gender to be a social construct based on traits that we deem to either be masculine or feminine.

Chinese is a nationality so yes for Chinese. The country and culture you spend your life in, or more generally the culture you identify yourself as a part of is what matters, not what genetic and racial characteristics you have.

And these types of things generally accept that the gender you pick is the one you identify as. You can argue against it with certain definitions, but at the end of the day a college application doesn't care if you were born with a dick or not; they're not asking for your biological sex.

Why is this at all an issue?

^p much. The actual underlying causes of gender dysphoria aren't even close to being understood. We have rough overarching ideas and clues with the ways people's brains structure and hormone levels, but even those are kind of shallow. Using gender to mean biological sex is p pointless since the word sex works fine, using it to refer to which of the two most overarching social groups you fit in is a lot better.

people who say "lol just boys dressing up" or "Should society accept" them are really trivializing a very complex psychological and possibly biological issue

So when you get to your college on day one, are assigned a roommate, a biological female and you are biologically male but self identify as a female, no ones going to have a problem with it? Interesting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passing_(racial_identity)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passing_(sociology)

this is literally the first definition
The state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones):

There's nothing wrong with identifying as a different gender, but as with race and height the gender you were born with is what you factually are no matter what you do nothing will change this. How would you feel as a woman who spent her entire life training for the Olympics only to have a portion of the top male athletes decide they identify as female and then lose your chances because the men are genetically predisposed to be stronger and faster than you? While bathrooms for different genders exist no people who are not of that gender should not be able to enter, but I don't believe we are ready to have gender neutral bathroom/locker rooms so I guess this small percentage of people will have to suffer through pissing in the women's bathroom when they have a dick now. Although this isn't really a problem for people who look the gender they identify as there are no bathroom police checking your gender so you can go where you please.

side-note: those kids are idiots who have been taught that facts don't matter all that matters is what you believe...

ok but what if the tables were turned and you're a biological female who identifies as a male and you're assigned a dorm with another female but you look like this

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/2b/56/60/2b56603c8737a22de3af2f253caa0a40.jpg

nobody's going to have a problem with it?

like, people are gonna have problems with trans people no matter what, just like with any minority. that's just how life is unfortunately.

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The article in the OP is a classic example of a right-wing media publication trying to use some crazy fringe element to discredit the validity of being transgender

It's designed to make people think that trans individuals just flippantly choose one day to be the opposite gender, almost just for fun and/or to mess with people around them, rather than because they actually suffer from gender dysphoria

It's the same thing that used to be commonly said about homosexuality, that it was just a "sinful, decadent lifestyle choice" and not a condition that a person can't do anything about

race is also a social construct, but the difference is we have never seen a legitimate, large group of people who are driven to depression and self-loathing because they see themselves as a different race than their biological designation

these debates over how fickle identity politics can get when you talk to a real crazy are irrelevant, because at the end of the day trans people are stuck with their feelings about their own gender

given the insanely high rates of being a rape/murder victim as well as suicide, it's not like people are clamoring to choose to be transgender just for fun

you are using one term, gender, to describe two different things, gender and sex

http://www.sexchangeregret.com/

idk that a blog that looks like its from 2005 is the best way to discredit science :)

I'm not trying to discredit science just refuting "at the end of the day trans people are stuck with their feelings about their own gender". Often times people don't really know what they need to do to become happy.

i am 5'7 130 but i identify as 5'9 200 pls respect my height identity thank