Transgendered persons have a higher rate of mortality, suicidal behavior, and depression before (if) they get gender reassignment surgery too. You might be surprised to find that being told you are wrong about your own gender your whole life isn't really the most joyful way to be raised. Correlation =/= Causation, this specific instance

dollarlayer please read your post wherein you compared redefining a medical condition to calling an apple a bananna again aloud to yourself. If you don't realize how incredibly poor that analogical reasoning is then I really think you are beyond saving.

as do gay people, it's almost as if society's awful treatment of trans people leads to a high suicide rate, on TOP of the already established gender dysphoria and internal conflict.

The APA is the most influential psychology association in America and the DSM is widely regarded as a manual for psychiatric diagnosis. You argued that it was a disorder and brought up gender identity disorder. My point was that it has been reclassified, and that this is no longer the case. It's almost as if people in the medical field change terminology all the time and phase out old ones because they're inaccurate and sometimes harmful.

Where the fuck did you get this information from? It was a single article with a whopping sample size of 1 from 20 years ago. Please read things before you post about them.

re the suicide rate/depression thing: yeah it's almost as if society's widespread violence and bigotry against trans people and being raised to believe that you're a gender you're not can lead to being sad. Correlation isn't causation. It's honestly kind of appalling to see people bring up trans suicide rates as a gotcha without taking a second to think about why that is.

I mean he doesn't seem to have a problem with your opinion that people with gender identity issues need gender reassignment to help them. He's just stating from what he's seen it is treatable without gender reassignment. You seem to be more intolerant of him having this viewpoint, than he is of yours. This issue from what I've read the correct answer has not yet been determined and research is on going. Maybe if the research had been finished and a consensus reached by scientists as to what is correct you'd be justified in your aggressive shittalking of people with different opinions, but it's not so you are the bigot here tbh fam

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You can't pick your gender, race, nationality but that doesn't mean you shouldn't be proud of these things. If you are born superior in certain aspects then you should still be proud of it. For example I am very proud of being white and i'm proud of my country. People are born as they are and nothing can change that. If you are born a male then you are a male for life and nothing will ever change that, if a man wants to be addressed as a women and wear womans clothing then that's fine as long as they are really mentally ill.

I posted the swedish study to demonstrate that sex assignment surgery often won't make the subject happy and can easily lead to suicide. Patients became 20x more likely to commit suicide. It is very significant and perhaps an indicator that an answer lies in a different direction.

The statistic is for post op patients so the way society treats transgendered people does not have a significant effect on the suicide statistic considering society can't see what's in your pants.

god bless

hello racism

You can't be serious.

By this point we should recognize when a thread is sheepy-bait and just delete it before he posts.

If you think getting SRS is going to form a forcefield to stop being from being bigoted towards them then I think you're seriously kidding yourself.

No, transitioning isn't going to solve all trans people's problems. They're still going to have a mountain of violence against them. It's almost as if people are happier when they're allowed to be themselves! #woah

My last point is that not every trans person pursues or even wants surgery. It all depends on the individual.

I'm proud of being white but how does that make me racist. Racism is disliking other races not being proud of your own.

Your reading comprehension skills are remarkably subpar given how confident you sound. I never said people with gender identity issues need "gender reassignment". Incidentally, there is no such thing as "gender reassignment", it's sexual reassignment because it changes someone's sex via surgery to match the gender they have in their head. In any case, as I already said in a previous post, many transgender people do not get SRS and choose to live pre-op for their entire lives. What hooli is saying is not that SRS is unnecessary, but that gender dysphoria can be "cured", via medication, to make people feel "male" or "female" again, because it's just a disorder like body dysmorphia is. This is utter nonsense and, as has been pointed out many times, the APA no longer subscribes to this view (even though they are historically very slow to change their mind on issues for far too long- see: homosexuality).

In the area I am talking about, the consensus HAS been reached.

Please stop acting so overconfident on issues you know absolutely nothing about.

this thread

"If you are born superior in certain aspects then you should still be proud of it."

"If you are born superior in certain aspects then you should still be proud of it."

"If you are born superior in certain aspects then you should still be proud of it."

P.S. people are prolly also -fragging you for the retarded second half of your post where you made it clear that you didn't read a single thing in this thread and have no idea what you're talking about

As someone who had GRS 2 weeks ago I can confirm my dysphoria is gone...obviously still have to deal with dickheads, but that's life, just easier to deal with them while not constantly hating oneself.

Plz change my Forum name to FootVagina

I don't see whats wrong with saying that

How did this escalate so quickly

I don't think it was necessarily that you said you're proud of being white; you can be proud of your race that's all fine and dandy. It's just that you said "If you are born superior in certain aspects then you should still be proud of it." and then said "For example I'm proud of being white"

Implying that races can be genetically superior to one another

nothings really wrong with it until you followed it with Im very proud to be white
implying that becuase u are white u are superior

races can be genetically superior to one another this is correct

sheepy you literally just said being white is superior and then you don't understand how that's racist. Like I understand people are trying to keep this thread civil but honestly how much of a fucking idiot can you be. I mean you managed to turn on your computer and put on your clothes this morning this shouldn't be a hard concept to wrap your head around

multi posting to ask how you manage to be so retarded nub_danish

but they can see your adam's apple, or your big shoulders, or your wide face and prominent jaw. (or reverse for trans men)
it's not like every transition causes all trans people to look completely cisgender and passing, in fact post op causes more problems society wise than pre op, because at least pre-op trans people pass as cis, transitioning is far more than just "change the sex organs!!" so yes you could easily say post op trans people are more likely to become suicidal especially if the transition didn't cause them to fully turn out like that dude i posted on the first page and society laughs at them because they think they're a drag queen crossdresser or something

Well if you look back at history whites are superior to some other races in many ways. The greatest countries on earth were built by whites and maintained by mostly whites. From my point of view people should be judged on what their actions and what they have accomplished and so whites are definitely superior in that regard. I don't see how this means I dislike other races at all cause I don't

from my point of view we should judge individuals on what they've accomplished and you're an angry stupid racist child

How do you measure how great a country is?

you LITERALLY just said white people should be judged better and treated better, then asked why you're being called a racist what the fuck

Based on how similar it is to the US in the 1950s or 1980s. Duh.

I don't know what SRS but my point is that transgender people who do the surgery are at very great risks. Considering you don't walk around with your genitals exposed nobody would know that they've done the surgery meaning these suicides are caused by the biological/hormonal damage of the surgery. People don't always know what's best for them and the argument of "I want it so it's good for me." is not very sound. I don't claim to have a solution, just that we should try to treat it rather than enable it.