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#121
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ur not killing shit bud

ur not killing shit bud
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hooliMagikarpI remember how back then, all this shit was never really much of an issue and humanity wasn't as this disappointing. It is a true wonder on how things will be in a few years at this rate.Yes, it's funny to think back to this scene. This movie is 14 years old and would've been torn to shreds today.

aww i can't dehumanize gay people anymore :(
like if you're using the idea of someone being gay as an insult it's not some kind of crazy sjw bullshit that people are gonna be upset by that

[quote=hooli][quote=Magikarp]I remember how back then, all this shit was never really much of an issue and humanity wasn't as this disappointing. It is a true wonder on how things will be in a few years at this rate.[/quote]
Yes, it's funny to think back to this [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E0oiKjLzTc&t=2m13s]scene[/url]. This movie is 14 years old and would've been torn to shreds today.[/quote]

aww i can't dehumanize gay people anymore :(
like if you're using the idea of someone being gay as an insult it's not some kind of crazy sjw bullshit that people are gonna be upset by that
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#123
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who the fuck cares???

like they aren't doing anything to harm you or anyone so why should you care

personally i don't care if someone identifies as a lizard-human hybrid gender neutral baby as long as they don't shove it in my face

just let them be who they want to be

who the fuck cares???

like they aren't doing anything to harm you or anyone so why should you care

personally i don't care if someone identifies as a lizard-human hybrid gender neutral baby as long as they don't shove it in my face

just let them be who they want to be
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saturn_MagikarpI remember how back then, all this shit was never really much of an issue and humanity wasn't as this disappointing. It is a true wonder on how things will be in a few years at this rate.homophobes and racists are still alive and well i assure u

That's why I said "as this disappointing". The human race has always had issues and conflicts, and probably always will. But the "lengths" that its reaching and getting to is becoming more ridiculous each time. The way the world is becoming has been in a state of "controlled chaos" for a long time now, and god knows how long it will be till it can't be controlled anymore.

[quote=saturn_][quote=Magikarp]I remember how back then, all this shit was never really much of an issue and humanity wasn't as this disappointing. It is a true wonder on how things will be in a few years at this rate.[/quote]
homophobes and racists are still alive and well i assure u[/quote]
That's why I said "as this disappointing". The human race has always had issues and conflicts, and probably always will. But the "lengths" that its reaching and getting to is becoming more ridiculous each time. The way the world is becoming has been in a state of "controlled chaos" for a long time now, and god knows how long it will be till it can't be controlled anymore.
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#125
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Nub_Danishhttp://www.councilforresponsiblegenetics.org/ViewPage.aspx?pageId=79
i have more sources saying essentially the same thing about the relevance of race in medicine if you wanna get past the first paragraph of any of them

Are you trolling? This paper also says there's no basis for biological racial difference...like its right there in the title

I refuse to believe someone is seriously this dumb

[quote=Nub_Danish]
http://www.councilforresponsiblegenetics.org/ViewPage.aspx?pageId=79
i have more sources saying essentially the same thing about the relevance of race in medicine if you wanna get past the first paragraph of any of them[/quote]

Are you trolling? This paper also says there's no basis for biological racial difference...like its right there in the title

I refuse to believe someone is seriously this dumb
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#126
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How are they defining race? The western way, or the brazilian way or the indian way or?

How are they defining race? The western way, or the brazilian way or the indian way or?
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#127
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harvestaww i can't dehumanize gay people anymore :(
like if you're using the idea of someone being gay as an insult it's not some kind of crazy sjw bullshit that people are gonna be upset by that

Don't patronize me. I'm merely pointing out the cultural difference not reminiscing or whatever you think it was.

[quote=harvest]
aww i can't dehumanize gay people anymore :(
like if you're using the idea of someone being gay as an insult it's not some kind of crazy sjw bullshit that people are gonna be upset by that[/quote]
Don't patronize me. I'm merely pointing out the cultural difference not reminiscing or whatever you [i]think [/i]it was.
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#128
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hooliharvestaww i can't dehumanize gay people anymore :(
like if you're using the idea of someone being gay as an insult it's not some kind of crazy sjw bullshit that people are gonna be upset by that
Don't patronize me. I'm merely pointing out the cultural difference not reminiscing or whatever you think it was.

this "cultural difference" is that "lol gay people are funny weirdos" jokes aren't nearly as accepted as they used to be & i fail to see how this is a bad thing

[quote=hooli][quote=harvest]
aww i can't dehumanize gay people anymore :(
like if you're using the idea of someone being gay as an insult it's not some kind of crazy sjw bullshit that people are gonna be upset by that[/quote]
Don't patronize me. I'm merely pointing out the cultural difference not reminiscing or whatever you [i]think [/i]it was.[/quote]
this "cultural difference" is that "lol gay people are funny weirdos" jokes aren't nearly as accepted as they used to be & i fail to see how this is a bad thing
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#129
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hooli saturn hasnt posted in two years you've opened pandora's box now

hooli saturn hasnt posted in two years you've opened pandora's box now
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I never said it was a bad thing. Please stop making things up.

I never said it was a bad thing. Please stop making things up.
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LsRainbowsNub_Danishhttp://www.councilforresponsiblegenetics.org/ViewPage.aspx?pageId=79
i have more sources saying essentially the same thing about the relevance of race in medicine if you wanna get past the first paragraph of any of them

Are you trolling? This paper also says there's no basis for biological racial difference...like its right there in the title

I refuse to believe someone is seriously this dumb

it supports the idea of differences based on ancestry not just black, white, yellow etc which supports the arrangement I've made that people are not inherently equal and your ancestry not race in the traditional sense does mean that people are genetically superior and inferior from one another not necessarily based on the race as in skin color and what not because race is not specific enough
i will admit that race was not the right way to describe it, i was just refuting someones earlier claim that people cannot be genetically superior based on ancestry/race (my bad i group the two together because in my mind they are the same in thing, but you cant determine someones ancestry simply by looking at them, and race is kind of a arbitrary thing determined only by looks)

[quote=LsRainbows][quote=Nub_Danish]
http://www.councilforresponsiblegenetics.org/ViewPage.aspx?pageId=79
i have more sources saying essentially the same thing about the relevance of race in medicine if you wanna get past the first paragraph of any of them[/quote]

Are you trolling? This paper also says there's no basis for biological racial difference...like its right there in the title

I refuse to believe someone is seriously this dumb[/quote]
it supports the idea of differences based on ancestry not just black, white, yellow etc which supports the arrangement I've made that people are not inherently equal and your ancestry not race in the traditional sense does mean that people are genetically superior and inferior from one another not necessarily based on the race as in skin color and what not because race is not specific enough
i will admit that race was not the right way to describe it, i was just refuting someones earlier claim that people cannot be genetically superior based on ancestry/race (my bad i group the two together because in my mind they are the same in thing, but you cant determine someones ancestry simply by looking at them, and race is kind of a arbitrary thing determined only by looks)
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#132
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hooliharvestaww i can't dehumanize gay people anymore :(
like if you're using the idea of someone being gay as an insult it's not some kind of crazy sjw bullshit that people are gonna be upset by that
Don't patronize me. I'm merely pointing out the cultural difference not reminiscing or whatever you think it was.

well, that is what i thought it was, by the tone of how it was written. its a common argument against social justice and treating people like normal human beings, that the past was better, etc. etc. so that's how i interpreted it. my bad.

plus you were agreeing with magikarp who said "back when humanity wasn't as disappointing." and then you agreed using an example of how society is disappointing (or at least it seemed like it) because if today spiderman was released using a joke that dehumanized being gay, people would throw a fit. as if it's ridiculous that people would be upset. but if that wasn't your intention i apologize lol

[quote=hooli][quote=harvest]
aww i can't dehumanize gay people anymore :(
like if you're using the idea of someone being gay as an insult it's not some kind of crazy sjw bullshit that people are gonna be upset by that[/quote]
Don't patronize me. I'm merely pointing out the cultural difference not reminiscing or whatever you [i]think [/i]it was.[/quote]
well, that is what i thought it was, by the tone of how it was written. its a common argument against social justice and treating people like normal human beings, that the past was better, etc. etc. so that's how i interpreted it. my bad.

plus you were agreeing with magikarp who said "back when humanity wasn't as [b]disappointing[/b]." and then you agreed using an example of how society is disappointing (or at least it seemed like it) because if today spiderman was released using a joke that dehumanized being gay, people would throw a fit. as if it's ridiculous that people would be upset. but if that wasn't your intention i apologize lol
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interesting read, sex change for children is classified as abuse for pediatricians http://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/gender-ideology-harms-children

interesting read, sex change for children is classified as abuse for pediatricians http://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/gender-ideology-harms-children
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#134
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solainteresting read, sex change for children is classified as abuse for pediatricians http://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/gender-ideology-harms-children

heeeere we go again

[quote=sola]interesting read, sex change for children is classified as abuse for pediatricians http://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/gender-ideology-harms-children[/quote]
heeeere we go again
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#135
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Nub_DanishLsRainbowsNub_Danishhttp://www.councilforresponsiblegenetics.org/ViewPage.aspx?pageId=79
i have more sources saying essentially the same thing about the relevance of race in medicine if you wanna get past the first paragraph of any of them

Are you trolling? This paper also says there's no basis for biological racial difference...like its right there in the title

I refuse to believe someone is seriously this dumb
it supports the idea of differences based on ancestry not just black, white, yellow etc which supports the arrangement I've made that people are not inherently equal and your ancestry not race in the traditional sense does mean that people are genetically superior and inferior from one another not necessarily based on the race as in skin color and what not because race is not specific enough

this is a far cry from what you said earlier

Nub_Danishraces can be genetically superior to one another this is correct

But no, that paper is literally saying that race is a social construct, from the first paragraph to the last, perhaps you were confused by the wording?? i know words are hard

"As a biological rather than a social construct, “race” has ceased to be seen as a fundamental reality characterizing the human species. "

"If it were admitted that the category of “race” is a purely social construct, however, it would have a weakened legitimacy. Thus, there have been repeated attempts to reassert the objective biological reality of human racial categories despite the evidence to the contrary."

[quote=Nub_Danish][quote=LsRainbows][quote=Nub_Danish]
http://www.councilforresponsiblegenetics.org/ViewPage.aspx?pageId=79
i have more sources saying essentially the same thing about the relevance of race in medicine if you wanna get past the first paragraph of any of them[/quote]

Are you trolling? This paper also says there's no basis for biological racial difference...like its right there in the title

I refuse to believe someone is seriously this dumb[/quote]
it supports the idea of differences based on ancestry not just black, white, yellow etc which supports the arrangement I've made that people are not inherently equal and your ancestry not race in the traditional sense does mean that people are genetically superior and inferior from one another not necessarily based on the race as in skin color and what not because race is not specific enough[/quote]

this is a far cry from what you said earlier

[quote=Nub_Danish]races can be genetically superior to one another this is correct[/quote]


But no, that paper is literally saying that race is a social construct, from the first paragraph to the last, perhaps you were confused by the wording?? i know words are hard

"As [b]a biological rather than a social construct[/b], “race” has ceased to be seen as a fundamental reality characterizing the human species. "


"If it were admitted that the category of “race” is [b]a purely social construct[/b], however, it would have a weakened legitimacy. Thus, there have been repeated attempts to reassert the objective biological reality of human racial categories despite the [b]evidence to the contrary.[/b]"
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#136
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solainteresting read, sex change for children is classified as abuse for pediatricians http://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/gender-ideology-harms-children

ive volunteered to be around children and ive seen kids cry because they wanted to read two different books but know they cant read them both at the same time

and people expect them to understand the implications of genital reassignment

[quote=sola]interesting read, sex change for children is classified as abuse for pediatricians http://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/gender-ideology-harms-children[/quote]

ive volunteered to be around children and ive seen kids cry because they wanted to read two different books but know they cant read them both at the same time

and people expect them to understand the implications of genital reassignment
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LsRainbowsThe "white race" has done many shitty things too, but i bet you aren't rushing to take credit or feel pride for those things

No but so have all the other races. I don't see how this should change anything. I don't see me being proud of my race for being great any different from being proud of my country for being great.

[quote=LsRainbows]The "white race" has done many shitty things too, but i bet you aren't rushing to take credit or feel pride for those things[/quote]

No but so have all the other races. I don't see how this should change anything. I don't see me being proud of my race for being great any different from being proud of my country for being great.
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#138
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sheepy_dogs_handLsRainbowsThe "white race" has done many shitty things too, but i bet you aren't rushing to take credit or feel pride for those things
No but so have all the other races. I don't see how this should change anything. I don't see me being proud of my race for being great any different from being proud of my country for being great.

theres nothing wrong with you being proud its just the way you went
"I think people should be proud of their superiority, I for instance am proud of being white."

[quote=sheepy_dogs_hand][quote=LsRainbows]The "white race" has done many shitty things too, but i bet you aren't rushing to take credit or feel pride for those things[/quote]

No but so have all the other races. I don't see how this should change anything. I don't see me being proud of my race for being great any different from being proud of my country for being great.[/quote]
theres nothing wrong with you being proud its just the way you went
"I think people should be proud of their superiority, I for instance am proud of being white."
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solainteresting read, sex change for children is classified as abuse for pediatricians http://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/gender-ideology-harms-children

ah yes
ACPEDS

all you really need to do is do two seconds of research about them really people

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_College_of_Pediatricians

"The ACPeds letter to the superintendents primarily addressed same-sex attraction, and recommended that “well-intentioned but misinformed school personnel” who encourage students to “come out as gay” and affirm them as such may lead the students into “harmful homosexual behaviors that they otherwise would not pursue"

Clearly a non-biased organization

[quote=sola]interesting read, sex change for children is classified as abuse for pediatricians http://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/gender-ideology-harms-children[/quote]


ah yes
ACPEDS

all you really need to do is do two seconds of research about them [b]really people[/b]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_College_of_Pediatricians

"The ACPeds letter to the superintendents primarily addressed same-sex attraction, and recommended that “well-intentioned but misinformed school personnel” who encourage students to “come out as gay” and affirm them as such may lead the students into “harmful homosexual behaviors that they otherwise would not pursue"

Clearly a non-biased organization
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#140
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That scene isn't even offensive to gay people, it's "offensive" to overly macho pro wrestler stereotypes under the assumption that they're a) very homophobic and b) probably overcompensating for something

not to read too much into spiderman but yeah

That scene isn't even offensive to gay people, it's "offensive" to overly macho pro wrestler stereotypes under the assumption that they're a) very homophobic and b) probably overcompensating for something

not to read too much into spiderman but yeah
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#141
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LsRainbowsNub_DanishLsRainbowsNub_Danishhttp://www.councilforresponsiblegenetics.org/ViewPage.aspx?pageId=79
i have more sources saying essentially the same thing about the relevance of race in medicine if you wanna get past the first paragraph of any of them

Are you trolling? This paper also says there's no basis for biological racial difference...like its right there in the title

I refuse to believe someone is seriously this dumb
it supports the idea of differences based on ancestry not just black, white, yellow etc which supports the arrangement I've made that people are not inherently equal and your ancestry not race in the traditional sense does mean that people are genetically superior and inferior from one another not necessarily based on the race as in skin color and what not because race is not specific enough

this is a far cry from what you said earlier
Nub_Danishraces can be genetically superior to one another this is correct
But no, that paper is literally saying that race is a social construct, from the first paragraph to the last, perhaps you were confused by the wording?? i know words are hard

"As a biological rather than a social construct, “race” has ceased to be seen as a fundamental reality characterizing the human species. "

"If it were admitted that the category of “race” is a purely social construct, however, it would have a weakened legitimacy. Thus, there have been repeated attempts to reassert the objective biological reality of human racial categories despite the evidence to the contrary."

All of this ignores the other completely stupid part of the argument

Even if you can isolate some specific genetic trait as being isolated to one 'race' (for instance, caucasians being much more lactose-tolerant than most other groups), how does that make a race 'superior' or 'inferior'? That terminology is so loaded and meaningless

[quote=LsRainbows][quote=Nub_Danish][quote=LsRainbows][quote=Nub_Danish]
http://www.councilforresponsiblegenetics.org/ViewPage.aspx?pageId=79
i have more sources saying essentially the same thing about the relevance of race in medicine if you wanna get past the first paragraph of any of them[/quote]

Are you trolling? This paper also says there's no basis for biological racial difference...like its right there in the title

I refuse to believe someone is seriously this dumb[/quote]
it supports the idea of differences based on ancestry not just black, white, yellow etc which supports the arrangement I've made that people are not inherently equal and your ancestry not race in the traditional sense does mean that people are genetically superior and inferior from one another not necessarily based on the race as in skin color and what not because race is not specific enough[/quote]

this is a far cry from what you said earlier

[quote=Nub_Danish]races can be genetically superior to one another this is correct[/quote]


But no, that paper is literally saying that race is a social construct, from the first paragraph to the last, perhaps you were confused by the wording?? i know words are hard

"As [b]a biological rather than a social construct[/b], “race” has ceased to be seen as a fundamental reality characterizing the human species. "


"If it were admitted that the category of “race” is [b]a purely social construct[/b], however, it would have a weakened legitimacy. Thus, there have been repeated attempts to reassert the objective biological reality of human racial categories despite the [b]evidence to the contrary.[/b]"[/quote]

All of this ignores the other completely stupid part of the argument

Even if you can isolate some specific genetic trait as being isolated to one 'race' (for instance, caucasians being much more lactose-tolerant than most other groups), how does that make a race 'superior' or 'inferior'? That terminology is so loaded and meaningless
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#142
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solainteresting read, sex change for children is classified as abuse for pediatricians http://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/gender-ideology-harms-children

ok i really wanna nip this one in the bud:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_College_of_Pediatricians

The American College of Pediatricians (ACPeds) is a socially conservative association of pediatricians and other healthcare professionals in the United States. The College was founded in 2002 by a group of pediatricians including Joseph Zanga, a past president of the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), as a protest against the AAP's support for adoption by gay couples.

pls don't confuse it with the American Academy of Pediatrics

and for the record, no one under 18 would be given genital reassignment surgery. the most a minor would be given is puberty blockers and HRT at an older age. puberty blockers can have permanent effects on fertility, but, no way in hell would a young child who doesn't know what they're in for be given genital reassignment surgery lol it's kind of absurd to think that this actually happens. hell, HRT is hard enough to get enough as it is as an adult.

furthermore, this tries to assert the tired notion that being trans is in itself a mental illness. the APA says the exact opposite:

It is important to note that gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder. The critical element of gender dysphoria is the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition.

translation: being trans isn't a mental illness and what should be treated is the distress surrounding it.

they also try to rely on the desistance myth. hell, a recent study shows that trans kids with parents who embrace their trans identities are happy and healthy. they even cited the swedish study that didn't actually find any evidence that undergoing surgery contributed to higher suicide rates. which was also debunked last page with the 5456456 sources lsrainbows linked. the point that no child would be actually allowed to have genital reassignment surgery notwithstanding.

the ACP is just an anti-LGBT hate group masquerading as medical professionals lol

sorry if this isn't really coherent, i'm really tired rn

[quote=sola]interesting read, sex change for children is classified as abuse for pediatricians http://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/gender-ideology-harms-children[/quote]

ok i really wanna nip this one in the bud:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_College_of_Pediatricians
[quote]The American College of Pediatricians (ACPeds) is a socially conservative association of pediatricians and other healthcare professionals in the United States. The College was founded in 2002 by a group of pediatricians including Joseph Zanga, a past president of the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), as a protest against the AAP's support for adoption by gay couples.[/quote]

pls don't confuse it with the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Academy_of_Pediatrics]American Academy of Pediatrics[/url]

and for the record, no one under 18 would be given genital reassignment surgery. the most a minor would be given is puberty blockers and HRT at an older age. puberty blockers can have permanent effects on fertility, but, no way in hell would a young child who doesn't know what they're in for be given genital reassignment surgery lol it's kind of absurd to think that this actually happens. hell, HRT is hard enough to get enough as it is as an adult.

furthermore, this tries to assert the tired notion that being trans is in itself a mental illness. the APA says the [url=http://www.dsm5.org/documents/gender%20dysphoria%20fact%20sheet.pdf]exact opposite[/url]:

[quote]It is important to note that gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder. The critical element of gender dysphoria is the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition.[/quote]

translation: being trans isn't a mental illness and what should be treated is the distress surrounding it.

they also try to rely on the [url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brynn-tannehill/the-end-of-the-desistance_b_8903690.html]desistance myth[/url]. hell, [url=http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2016/03/01/3755056/transgender-kids-parents-study/]a recent study[/url] shows that trans kids with parents who embrace their trans identities are happy and healthy. they even cited the swedish study [url=http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/06/22/3672506/transgender-suicide-rates/]that didn't actually find any evidence that undergoing surgery contributed to higher suicide rates.[/url] which was also debunked last page with the 5456456 sources lsrainbows linked. the point that no child would be actually allowed to have genital reassignment surgery notwithstanding.

the ACP is just an anti-LGBT hate group masquerading as medical professionals lol

sorry if this isn't really coherent, i'm really tired rn
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#143
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To add on to my last post, this is what an ACTUAL pediatrician group has to say on the issue

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2016/02/24/peds.2015-3223

note that the membership of ACPeds is estimated at around 200 people while the membership of APP is 60,000 with a staff of 400

To add on to my last post, this is what an ACTUAL pediatrician group has to say on the issue

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2016/02/24/peds.2015-3223

note that the membership of ACPeds is estimated at around 200 people while the membership of APP is 60,000 with a staff of 400
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#144
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you're going to have a bad time explaining the subtleties of taxonomy to nerds who couldn't finish freshmen biology :(

the defining line between species, subspecies, and races is basically nonexistent. From any sort of criteria that you can come up with that isn't phenotypic, it's basically impossible to differentiate blacks, whites, asians, etc.

you're going to have a bad time explaining the subtleties of taxonomy to nerds who couldn't finish freshmen biology :(

the defining line between species, subspecies, and races is basically nonexistent. From any sort of criteria that you can come up with that isn't phenotypic, it's basically impossible to differentiate blacks, whites, asians, etc.
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#145
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mustardoverlordLsRainbowsNub_DanishLsRainbowsNub_Danishhttp://www.councilforresponsiblegenetics.org/ViewPage.aspx?pageId=79
i have more sources saying essentially the same thing about the relevance of race in medicine if you wanna get past the first paragraph of any of them

Are you trolling? This paper also says there's no basis for biological racial difference...like its right there in the title

I refuse to believe someone is seriously this dumb
it supports the idea of differences based on ancestry not just black, white, yellow etc which supports the arrangement I've made that people are not inherently equal and your ancestry not race in the traditional sense does mean that people are genetically superior and inferior from one another not necessarily based on the race as in skin color and what not because race is not specific enough

this is a far cry from what you said earlier
Nub_Danishraces can be genetically superior to one another this is correct
But no, that paper is literally saying that race is a social construct, from the first paragraph to the last, perhaps you were confused by the wording?? i know words are hard

"As a biological rather than a social construct, “race” has ceased to be seen as a fundamental reality characterizing the human species. "

"If it were admitted that the category of “race” is a purely social construct, however, it would have a weakened legitimacy. Thus, there have been repeated attempts to reassert the objective biological reality of human racial categories despite the evidence to the contrary."

All of this ignores the other completely stupid part of the argument

Even if you can isolate some specific genetic trait as being isolated to one 'race' (for instance, caucasians being much more lactose-tolerant than most other groups), how does that make a race 'superior' or 'inferior'? That terminology is so loaded and meaningless

How could being lactose intolerant being anything but inferior smh

[quote=mustardoverlord][quote=LsRainbows][quote=Nub_Danish][quote=LsRainbows][quote=Nub_Danish]
http://www.councilforresponsiblegenetics.org/ViewPage.aspx?pageId=79
i have more sources saying essentially the same thing about the relevance of race in medicine if you wanna get past the first paragraph of any of them[/quote]

Are you trolling? This paper also says there's no basis for biological racial difference...like its right there in the title

I refuse to believe someone is seriously this dumb[/quote]
it supports the idea of differences based on ancestry not just black, white, yellow etc which supports the arrangement I've made that people are not inherently equal and your ancestry not race in the traditional sense does mean that people are genetically superior and inferior from one another not necessarily based on the race as in skin color and what not because race is not specific enough[/quote]

this is a far cry from what you said earlier

[quote=Nub_Danish]races can be genetically superior to one another this is correct[/quote]


But no, that paper is literally saying that race is a social construct, from the first paragraph to the last, perhaps you were confused by the wording?? i know words are hard

"As [b]a biological rather than a social construct[/b], “race” has ceased to be seen as a fundamental reality characterizing the human species. "


"If it were admitted that the category of “race” is [b]a purely social construct[/b], however, it would have a weakened legitimacy. Thus, there have been repeated attempts to reassert the objective biological reality of human racial categories despite the [b]evidence to the contrary.[/b]"[/quote]

All of this ignores the other completely stupid part of the argument

Even if you can isolate some specific genetic trait as being isolated to one 'race' (for instance, caucasians being much more lactose-tolerant than most other groups), how does that make a race 'superior' or 'inferior'? That terminology is so loaded and meaningless[/quote]
How could being lactose intolerant being anything but inferior smh
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#146
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I actually read an interview with the author of that Swedish study that has been linked multiple times in this thread now. You can find it here: http://www.transadvocate.com/fact-check-study-shows-transition-makes-trans-people-suicidal_n_15483.htm

Somewhere along the way someone misrepresented the findings in that study to support their own bigoted views and now it's commonly cited to support views it does not support at all. As far as how it has been misused in this thread, here is a quote from an author of that study herself in regards to her study being used to claim that sex-reassignment increases a transgender person's likelihood to commit suicide:

"Dhejne: The aim of trans medical interventions is to bring a trans person’s body more inline with their gender identity, resulting in the measurable diminishment of their gender dysphoria. However trans people as a group also experience significant social oppression in the form of bullying, abuse, rape and hate crimes. Medical transition alone won’t resolve the effects of crushing social oppression: social anxiety, depression and posttraumatic stress.

What we’ve found is that treatment models which ignore the effect of cultural oppression and outright hate aren’t enough. We need to understand that our treatment models must be responsive to not only gender dysphoria, but the effects of anti-trans hate as well. That’s what improved care means."

I actually read an interview with the author of that Swedish study that has been linked multiple times in this thread now. You can find it here: http://www.transadvocate.com/fact-check-study-shows-transition-makes-trans-people-suicidal_n_15483.htm

Somewhere along the way someone misrepresented the findings in that study to support their own bigoted views and now it's commonly cited to support views it does not support at all. As far as how it has been misused in this thread, here is a quote from an author of that study herself in regards to her study being used to claim that sex-reassignment increases a transgender person's likelihood to commit suicide:

"Dhejne: The aim of trans medical interventions is to bring a trans person’s body more inline with their gender identity, resulting in the measurable diminishment of their gender dysphoria. However trans people as a group also experience significant social oppression in the form of bullying, abuse, rape and hate crimes. Medical transition alone won’t resolve the effects of crushing social oppression: social anxiety, depression and posttraumatic stress.

What we’ve found is that treatment models which ignore the effect of cultural oppression and outright hate aren’t enough. We need to understand that our treatment models must be responsive to not only gender dysphoria, but the effects of anti-trans hate as well. That’s what improved care means."
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#147
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Nub_DanishmustardoverlordLsRainbowsNub_DanishLsRainbowsNub_Danishhttp://www.councilforresponsiblegenetics.org/ViewPage.aspx?pageId=79
i have more sources saying essentially the same thing about the relevance of race in medicine if you wanna get past the first paragraph of any of them

Are you trolling? This paper also says there's no basis for biological racial difference...like its right there in the title

I refuse to believe someone is seriously this dumb
it supports the idea of differences based on ancestry not just black, white, yellow etc which supports the arrangement I've made that people are not inherently equal and your ancestry not race in the traditional sense does mean that people are genetically superior and inferior from one another not necessarily based on the race as in skin color and what not because race is not specific enough

this is a far cry from what you said earlier
Nub_Danishraces can be genetically superior to one another this is correct
But no, that paper is literally saying that race is a social construct, from the first paragraph to the last, perhaps you were confused by the wording?? i know words are hard

"As a biological rather than a social construct, “race” has ceased to be seen as a fundamental reality characterizing the human species. "

"If it were admitted that the category of “race” is a purely social construct, however, it would have a weakened legitimacy. Thus, there have been repeated attempts to reassert the objective biological reality of human racial categories despite the evidence to the contrary."

All of this ignores the other completely stupid part of the argument

Even if you can isolate some specific genetic trait as being isolated to one 'race' (for instance, caucasians being much more lactose-tolerant than most other groups), how does that make a race 'superior' or 'inferior'? That terminology is so loaded and meaningless
How could being lactose intolerant being anything but inferior smh

because you don't have to drink milk to live a happy life...?

[quote=Nub_Danish][quote=mustardoverlord][quote=LsRainbows][quote=Nub_Danish][quote=LsRainbows][quote=Nub_Danish]
http://www.councilforresponsiblegenetics.org/ViewPage.aspx?pageId=79
i have more sources saying essentially the same thing about the relevance of race in medicine if you wanna get past the first paragraph of any of them[/quote]

Are you trolling? This paper also says there's no basis for biological racial difference...like its right there in the title

I refuse to believe someone is seriously this dumb[/quote]
it supports the idea of differences based on ancestry not just black, white, yellow etc which supports the arrangement I've made that people are not inherently equal and your ancestry not race in the traditional sense does mean that people are genetically superior and inferior from one another not necessarily based on the race as in skin color and what not because race is not specific enough[/quote]

this is a far cry from what you said earlier

[quote=Nub_Danish]races can be genetically superior to one another this is correct[/quote]


But no, that paper is literally saying that race is a social construct, from the first paragraph to the last, perhaps you were confused by the wording?? i know words are hard

"As [b]a biological rather than a social construct[/b], “race” has ceased to be seen as a fundamental reality characterizing the human species. "


"If it were admitted that the category of “race” is [b]a purely social construct[/b], however, it would have a weakened legitimacy. Thus, there have been repeated attempts to reassert the objective biological reality of human racial categories despite the [b]evidence to the contrary.[/b]"[/quote]

All of this ignores the other completely stupid part of the argument

Even if you can isolate some specific genetic trait as being isolated to one 'race' (for instance, caucasians being much more lactose-tolerant than most other groups), how does that make a race 'superior' or 'inferior'? That terminology is so loaded and meaningless[/quote]
How could being lactose intolerant being anything but inferior smh[/quote]

because you don't have to drink milk to live a happy life...?
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#148
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mustardoverlordNub_DanishmustardoverlordLsRainbowsNub_DanishLsRainbowsNub_Danishhttp://www.councilforresponsiblegenetics.org/ViewPage.aspx?pageId=79
i have more sources saying essentially the same thing about the relevance of race in medicine if you wanna get past the first paragraph of any of them

Are you trolling? This paper also says there's no basis for biological racial difference...like its right there in the title

I refuse to believe someone is seriously this dumb
it supports the idea of differences based on ancestry not just black, white, yellow etc which supports the arrangement I've made that people are not inherently equal and your ancestry not race in the traditional sense does mean that people are genetically superior and inferior from one another not necessarily based on the race as in skin color and what not because race is not specific enough

this is a far cry from what you said earlier
Nub_Danishraces can be genetically superior to one another this is correct
But no, that paper is literally saying that race is a social construct, from the first paragraph to the last, perhaps you were confused by the wording?? i know words are hard

"As a biological rather than a social construct, “race” has ceased to be seen as a fundamental reality characterizing the human species. "

"If it were admitted that the category of “race” is a purely social construct, however, it would have a weakened legitimacy. Thus, there have been repeated attempts to reassert the objective biological reality of human racial categories despite the evidence to the contrary."

All of this ignores the other completely stupid part of the argument

Even if you can isolate some specific genetic trait as being isolated to one 'race' (for instance, caucasians being much more lactose-tolerant than most other groups), how does that make a race 'superior' or 'inferior'? That terminology is so loaded and meaningless
How could being lactose intolerant being anything but inferior smh

because you don't have to drink milk to live a happy life...?

But having the option to drink milk is a benefit eh?

[quote=mustardoverlord][quote=Nub_Danish][quote=mustardoverlord][quote=LsRainbows][quote=Nub_Danish][quote=LsRainbows][quote=Nub_Danish]
http://www.councilforresponsiblegenetics.org/ViewPage.aspx?pageId=79
i have more sources saying essentially the same thing about the relevance of race in medicine if you wanna get past the first paragraph of any of them[/quote]

Are you trolling? This paper also says there's no basis for biological racial difference...like its right there in the title

I refuse to believe someone is seriously this dumb[/quote]
it supports the idea of differences based on ancestry not just black, white, yellow etc which supports the arrangement I've made that people are not inherently equal and your ancestry not race in the traditional sense does mean that people are genetically superior and inferior from one another not necessarily based on the race as in skin color and what not because race is not specific enough[/quote]

this is a far cry from what you said earlier

[quote=Nub_Danish]races can be genetically superior to one another this is correct[/quote]


But no, that paper is literally saying that race is a social construct, from the first paragraph to the last, perhaps you were confused by the wording?? i know words are hard

"As [b]a biological rather than a social construct[/b], “race” has ceased to be seen as a fundamental reality characterizing the human species. "


"If it were admitted that the category of “race” is [b]a purely social construct[/b], however, it would have a weakened legitimacy. Thus, there have been repeated attempts to reassert the objective biological reality of human racial categories despite the [b]evidence to the contrary.[/b]"[/quote]

All of this ignores the other completely stupid part of the argument

Even if you can isolate some specific genetic trait as being isolated to one 'race' (for instance, caucasians being much more lactose-tolerant than most other groups), how does that make a race 'superior' or 'inferior'? That terminology is so loaded and meaningless[/quote]
How could being lactose intolerant being anything but inferior smh[/quote]

because you don't have to drink milk to live a happy life...?[/quote]
But having the option to drink milk is a benefit eh?
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#149
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The Massai are largely lactose tolerant, are they caucasian now?

The Massai are largely lactose tolerant, are they caucasian now?
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eeeyou're going to have a bad time explaining the subtleties of taxonomy to nerds who couldn't finish freshmen biology :(

the defining line between species, subspecies, and races is basically nonexistent. From any sort of criteria that you can come up with that isn't phenotypic, it's basically impossible to differentiate blacks, whites, asians, etc.

i mean u could just look at em tbh fam unless ur blind, oooh sorry to discriminate

[quote=eee]you're going to have a bad time explaining the subtleties of taxonomy to nerds who couldn't finish freshmen biology :(

the defining line between species, subspecies, and races is basically nonexistent. From any sort of criteria that you can come up with that isn't phenotypic, it's basically impossible to differentiate blacks, whites, asians, etc.[/quote]
i mean u could just look at em tbh fam unless ur blind, oooh sorry to discriminate
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