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PC Won't Turn on, Completely Puzzled
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So last night I replaced my CPU and its fan (intel core i5-2330 with stock fan) with a new set (used intel core i7-3770k with Noctua NH-D14). After doing this, my system just will not turn on. Power is getting through the motherboard (Intel DZ77GAL-70K), but will not boot for some reason. The fans on both the CPU and case will spin for a split second but will turn off after a red indicator on the bottom left will flash, indicating "HOT," which is referring to the lack of a fan as far as I can tell from the documentation. I tried going back to the old processor and fan, same results. I have a 500W PSU, so that can't be the problem. If anyone could offer some insight as to what they think is going on, that'd be great.

So last night I replaced my CPU and its fan (intel core i5-2330 with stock fan) with a new set (used intel core i7-3770k with Noctua NH-D14). After doing this, my system just will not turn on. Power is getting through the motherboard (Intel DZ77GAL-70K), but will not boot for some reason. The fans on both the CPU and case will spin for a split second but will turn off after a red indicator on the bottom left will flash, indicating "HOT," which is referring to the lack of a fan as far as I can tell from the documentation. I tried going back to the old processor and fan, same results. I have a 500W PSU, so that can't be the problem. If anyone could offer some insight as to what they think is going on, that'd be great.
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You didn't forget thermal paste, right?

You didn't forget thermal paste, right?
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yttriumYou didn't forget thermal paste, right?

I did not.

[quote=yttrium]You didn't forget thermal paste, right?[/quote]

I did not.
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try using the stock intel fan if you have one?

try using the stock intel fan if you have one?
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Are all the power connections to the motherboard put in correctly? Also are the fan headers correctly seated? The thing about a CPU installation is you're right, that shouldn't prevent a boot from occurring, but it's possible something was jostled out of place during installation.

Are all the power connections to the motherboard put in correctly? Also are the fan headers correctly seated? The thing about a CPU installation is you're right, that shouldn't prevent a boot from occurring, but it's possible something was jostled out of place during installation.
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Sounds like a bad PSU. Wattage means nothing. Give us the model.

Check the board for bent pins?

Sounds like a bad PSU. Wattage means nothing. Give us the model.

Check the board for bent pins?
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did you plug the fan headers for the cpu cooler into the cpu header on the board? there are both case and cpu specific headers

did you plug the fan headers for the cpu cooler into the cpu header on the board? there are both case and cpu specific headers
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Isolate everything, first try to re plug all wires from the psu to your mobo, and try to clean the gold parts of your RAM. Check the riser screws on which you screw the mobo into the case. Maybe one of them is causing a short on the bottom of the mb.Also make sure your ram is plugged in all the way, i know that will screw something up. But it sounds to me like a bad psu. ive been through 2 already from power outages. if its not a bad psu maybe something is just not plugged in all the way. i recommend if the above didnt work would just get a new psu and try it, and see if anything changes. if it fixes the problem you know what to do.

Isolate everything, first try to re plug all wires from the psu to your mobo, and try to clean the gold parts of your RAM. Check the riser screws on which you screw the mobo into the case. Maybe one of them is causing a short on the bottom of the mb.Also make sure your ram is plugged in all the way, i know that will screw something up. But it sounds to me like a bad psu. ive been through 2 already from power outages. if its not a bad psu maybe something is just not plugged in all the way. i recommend if the above didnt work would just get a new psu and try it, and see if anything changes. if it fixes the problem you know what to do.
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While you're checking the motherboard, you might wanna also look for swollen/burnt out capacitors. Like, compare them to each other and see if any are bulging. A broken capacitor once caused my friend kind of similar problems, I think.

I sort of doubt that that's it since the board was functioning until you switched out the CPU, but it doesn't hurt to check.

While you're checking the motherboard, you might wanna also look for swollen/burnt out capacitors. Like, compare them to each other and see if any are bulging. A broken capacitor once caused my friend kind of similar problems, I think.

I sort of doubt that that's it since the board was functioning until you switched out the CPU, but it doesn't hurt to check.
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I have the EVGA 500 W1 80+, 500W Continuous Power Supply, I've checked very closely for looseness on the board, every connector and header looks as secure as physically possible. To note is that I'm currently on my old setup with the i5 and stock fan, I reapplied thermal paste just now with no luck.

edit: The outlet I was testing the PC on just blew out, sign of a PSU problem? This has been very strange.

I have the EVGA 500 W1 80+, 500W Continuous Power Supply, I've checked very closely for looseness on the board, every connector and header looks as secure as physically possible. To note is that I'm currently on my old setup with the i5 and stock fan, I reapplied thermal paste just now with no luck.

edit: The outlet I was testing the PC on just blew out, sign of a PSU problem? This has been very strange.
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Update, I just reseeded every power cable and CMOS battery to no avail.

Update, I just reseeded every power cable and CMOS battery to no avail.
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Do you have a system speaker installed? Not many cases/mobos come with them anymore but they can be useful for stuff like this.

Do you have a system speaker installed? Not many cases/mobos come with them anymore but they can be useful for stuff like this.
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deykuzorAre all the power connections to the motherboard put in correctly? Also are the fan headers correctly seated? The thing about a CPU installation is you're right, that shouldn't prevent a boot from occurring, but it's possible something was jostled out of place during installation.

Not entirely right. BIOS updates are required when installing a newer generation processor in an older generation motherboard even when sockets line up. However he's actually using an Ivy Bridge chipset and not a Sandy Bridge one, despite how he used to use a Sandy Bridge CPU, so that shouldn't be the issue. Plus it wouldn't explain how it won't boot with his Sandy Bridge CPU anymore either.

Bent pin maybe? And quintuple check all of your power leads. If nothing works try a different PSU.

[quote=deykuzor]Are all the power connections to the motherboard put in correctly? Also are the fan headers correctly seated? The thing about a CPU installation is you're right, that shouldn't prevent a boot from occurring, but it's possible something was jostled out of place during installation.[/quote]
Not entirely right. BIOS updates are required when installing a newer generation processor in an older generation motherboard even when sockets line up. However he's actually using an Ivy Bridge chipset and not a Sandy Bridge one, despite how he used to use a Sandy Bridge CPU, so that shouldn't be the issue. Plus it wouldn't explain how it won't boot with his Sandy Bridge CPU anymore either.

Bent pin maybe? And quintuple check all of your power leads. If nothing works try a different PSU.
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Did you make sure to turn off your psu and unplug the power cable before doing anything with your pc? Otherwise, you could have shorted your psu (rip)

What's the period of time that it 'flickers on'? If its like 3 seconds then it's most probably a dead psu

Did you make sure to turn off your psu and unplug the power cable before doing anything with your pc? Otherwise, you could have shorted your psu (rip)

What's the period of time that it 'flickers on'? If its like 3 seconds then it's most probably a dead psu
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yukiDid you make sure to turn off your psu and unplug the power cable before doing anything with your pc? Otherwise, you could have shorted your psu (rip)

What's the period of time that it 'flickers on'? If its like 3 seconds then it's most probably a dead psu

The entire time I was doing the replacement, the cable was out and the electricity was drained. I can get power into the system, as indicated by the LEDs, the fans flicker for half a second before dying again.

Also, before making the upgrade I updated my BIOS to the most recent patch.

[quote=yuki]Did you make sure to turn off your psu and unplug the power cable before doing anything with your pc? Otherwise, you could have shorted your psu (rip)

What's the period of time that it 'flickers on'? If its like 3 seconds then it's most probably a dead psu[/quote]

The entire time I was doing the replacement, the cable was out and the electricity was drained. I can get power into the system, as indicated by the LEDs, the fans flicker for half a second before dying again.

Also, before making the upgrade I updated my BIOS to the most recent patch.
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Have you tried pulling out memory selectively to see if any is dead? A computer often won't even POST if it has a bad stick.

Have you tried pulling out memory selectively to see if any is dead? A computer often won't even POST if it has a bad stick.
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I just did this and had a similar problem. Here were the two problems for me:
1. the first time I put in my power supply the main motherboard power cord came lose and it wouldn't power on. made sure all of my cords were tightly plugged in.
2. three of my ram slots weren't functioning properly. when I had two sticks of ram plugged in the fans would turn on but computer wouldn't post. unplugging the ram and trying different variations and combinations of ram allowed me to find a configuration that worked and allowed my computer to post.

I just did this and had a similar problem. Here were the two problems for me:
1. the first time I put in my power supply the main motherboard power cord came lose and it wouldn't power on. made sure all of my cords were tightly plugged in.
2. three of my ram slots weren't functioning properly. when I had two sticks of ram plugged in the fans would turn on but computer wouldn't post. unplugging the ram and trying different variations and combinations of ram allowed me to find a configuration that worked and allowed my computer to post.
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GoofyGorillaThe fans on both the CPU and case will spin for a split second but will turn off after a red indicator on the bottom left will flash, indicating "HOT," which is referring to the lack of a fan as far as I can tell from the documentation.MelonTFdid you plug the fan headers for the cpu cooler into the cpu header on the board? there are both case and cpu specific headers

Have you checked that?
For illustration purposes:

http://i.imgur.com/5gA35yD.jpg

I'm not sure what you did to make the outlet blow out.
Do the paperclip test (google it if you don't know how) to make sure it's still fine.

#14
1. You can't short out something that's turned off.
2. You also can't short out any decent PSU at all since they have short circuit protection.and it will just turn off (see 1.).

[quote=GoofyGorilla]The fans on both the CPU and case will spin for a split second but will turn off after a red indicator on the bottom left will flash, indicating "HOT," which is referring to the lack of a fan as far as I can tell from the documentation.[/quote]
[quote=MelonTF]did you plug the fan headers for the cpu cooler into the cpu header on the board? there are both case and cpu specific headers[/quote]
Have you checked that?
For illustration purposes:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/5gA35yD.jpg[/img]

I'm not sure what you did to make the outlet blow out.
Do the paperclip test (google it if you don't know how) to make sure it's still fine.

#14
1. You can't short out something that's turned off.
2. You also can't short out any decent PSU at all since they have short circuit protection.and it will just turn off (see 1.).
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Yes, the CPU fan is for sure plugged in there. I'm going to mess with the PSU and RAM today, thanks for all the ideas guys.

Yes, the CPU fan is for sure plugged in there. I'm going to mess with the PSU and RAM today, thanks for all the ideas guys.
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After testing every component in a friend's system, I've determined it's my motherboard, which after cross examining the appearance of the processor sockets would make sense (my socket looks really messed up).

After testing every component in a friend's system, I've determined it's my motherboard, which after cross examining the appearance of the processor sockets would make sense (my socket looks really messed up).
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I cant find info on an i5-2330. Did you mean i3-2330 or i5-3330?

the i3-2330 has a different socket type than the i7-3770 you are trying to replace it with.

Is it a matter of different socket types or is your mobo damaged or what?

I cant find info on an i5-2330. Did you mean i3-2330 or i5-3330?

the i3-2330 has a different socket type than the i7-3770 you are trying to replace it with.

Is it a matter of different socket types or is your mobo damaged or what?
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My bad, it was a 2320

My bad, it was a 2320
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dammit goofy am I going to have to buy you a new mobo? We need our medic back!

dammit goofy am I going to have to buy you a new mobo? We need our medic back!
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I had a problem like this once after moving to a new case. Turns out the 1¢ diode inside my case's power button was faulty and wouldn't send any TURN ON electrical signals to the motherboard.

I had a problem like this once after moving to a new case. Turns out the 1¢ diode inside my case's power button was faulty and wouldn't send any TURN ON electrical signals to the motherboard.
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#20
Could we get a picture of the socket?

#21/22
There is no i3-2330 only the i3-2330M and E.
Socket G2 is a completely different socket, not even remotely close and BGA is even worse.

Also the DZ77GAL-70K is definitely LGA1155 so unless he got the mobo wrong that's not the problem.

#20
Could we get a picture of the socket?

#21/22
There is no i3-2330 only the i3-2330M and E.
Socket G2 is a completely different socket, not even remotely close and BGA is even worse.

Also the DZ77GAL-70K is definitely LGA1155 so unless he got the mobo wrong that's not the problem.
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don't tell me you bent the socket pins man

[b][i]don't tell me you bent the socket pins man[/i] [/b]
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Why do you think I asked for a picture?
It's like watching a train derail.
Once you realize what's happening you know you can't stop it anymore but you keep staring because you don't want it to be real and hope it somehow gets better.

Why do you think I asked for a picture?
It's like watching a train derail.
Once you realize what's happening you know you can't stop it anymore but you keep staring because you don't want it to be real and hope it somehow gets better.
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https://media.giphy.com/media/1H0bm8VlGwK08/giphy.gif

[img]https://media.giphy.com/media/1H0bm8VlGwK08/giphy.gif[/img]
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delete system 32

delete system 32
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