Nub_Danishyou say most of the country believes this yet the majority voted to leave, maybe a bunch of those people regret voting to leave, but you have no data to back that up and 51% voted to leave
People who voted to stay:
Educated, young, higher income, white collar
People who voted to leave:
High-School, older, poor, blue collar
Combined with the fact that the average voter didn't even know what the EU actually did, its REALLY fuckin clear that the leave voters didn't have a clue what they were getting themselves into. The Remain voters weren't any better on the understanding aspect, but they at least listened to experts so idk
[quote=Nub_Danish]
you say most of the country believes this yet the majority voted to leave, maybe a bunch of those people regret voting to leave, but you have no data to back that up and 51% voted to leave[/quote]
People who voted to stay:
Educated, young, higher income, white collar
People who voted to leave:
High-School, older, poor, blue collar
Combined with the fact that the average voter didn't even know what the EU actually did, its REALLY fuckin clear that the leave voters didn't have a clue what they were getting themselves into. The Remain voters weren't any better on the understanding aspect, but they at least listened to experts so idk
[img]http://i.imgur.com/9GBUXxWl.jpg[/img]
eeeNub_Danishyou say most of the country believes this yet the majority voted to leave, maybe a bunch of those people regret voting to leave, but you have no data to back that up and 51% voted to leave
People who voted to stay:
Educated, young, higher income, white collar
People who voted to leave:
High-School, older, poor, blue collar
Combined with the fact that the average voter didn't even know what the EU actually did, its REALLY fuckin clear that the leave voters didn't have a clue what they were getting themselves into. The Remain voters weren't any better on the understanding aspect, but they at least listened to experts so idk
Again your calling just calling the people on the other side stupid/uneducated where are these numbers showing the demographics voting each way, your talking out your ass. The search increase on google doesn't necessarily mean anything because you don't know who was making the search it could have been the 15-17 year olds who are old enough to be concerned but not old enough to vote.
[quote=eee][quote=Nub_Danish]
you say most of the country believes this yet the majority voted to leave, maybe a bunch of those people regret voting to leave, but you have no data to back that up and 51% voted to leave[/quote]
People who voted to stay:
Educated, young, higher income, white collar
People who voted to leave:
High-School, older, poor, blue collar
Combined with the fact that the average voter didn't even know what the EU actually did, its REALLY fuckin clear that the leave voters didn't have a clue what they were getting themselves into. The Remain voters weren't any better on the understanding aspect, but they at least listened to experts so idk[/quote]
Again your calling just calling the people on the other side stupid/uneducated where are these numbers showing the demographics voting each way, your talking out your ass. The search increase on google doesn't necessarily mean anything because you don't know who was making the search it could have been the 15-17 year olds who are old enough to be concerned but not old enough to vote.
Yeah if you're not from London you're working class scum didn't you hear?
Yeah if you're not from London you're working class scum didn't you hear?
Nub_DanishAgain your calling just calling the people on the other side stupid/uneducated where are these numbers showing the demographics voting each way, your talking out your ass.
The demographic leanings have been established in detailed polling and research for months, this is nothing new.
[quote=Nub_Danish]Again your calling just calling the people on the other side stupid/uneducated where are these numbers showing the demographics voting each way, your talking out your ass.[/quote]
The demographic leanings have been established in detailed polling and research for months, this is nothing new.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAu8gbAttXE&feature=youtu.be&t=1994
[quote=RussianGuyovich]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAu8gbAttXE&feature=youtu.be&t=1994[/quote]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/2Cnpo1c.png[/img]
[quote=RussianGuyovich]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAu8gbAttXE&feature=youtu.be&t=1994[/quote]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAu8gbAttXE&feature=youtu.be&t=90
GentlemanJonNub_DanishAgain your calling just calling the people on the other side stupid/uneducated where are these numbers showing the demographics voting each way, your talking out your ass.
The demographic leanings have been established in detailed polling and research for months, this is nothing new.
I mean that doesn't change the implication that the poor, elderly, and people who didn't go to university are inherently stupider. Going to school doesn't mean you did more research on this specific topic, neither does having more money and being younger certainly doesn't.
[quote=GentlemanJon][quote=Nub_Danish]Again your calling just calling the people on the other side stupid/uneducated where are these numbers showing the demographics voting each way, your talking out your ass.[/quote]
The demographic leanings have been established in detailed polling and research for months, this is nothing new.[/quote]
I mean that doesn't change the implication that the poor, elderly, and people who didn't go to university are inherently stupider. Going to school doesn't mean you did more research on this specific topic, neither does having more money and being younger certainly doesn't.
Nub_DanishAgain your calling just calling the people on the other side stupid/uneducated where are these numbers showing the demographics voting each way, your talking out your ass. The search increase on google doesn't necessarily mean anything because you don't know who was making the search it could have been the 15-17 year olds who are old enough to be concerned but not old enough to vote.
I mean I wouldn't call them stupid and uneducated if polling didn't indicate that they weren't. (overview)
I mean, its painfully clear that people who have more experience with money, education, international trade, and really any "high value" skill set were against this. Considering that Immigration and concern for the EU were concerns that peaked in the past year, it seems like this is something that came on suddenly and wasn't particularly well considered by most people. I'd assume that news cycles and negative exposure all came together to cause people to freak out over the collapse of the EU or w/e and people made panic votes without really understanding what the EU does for the UK or what the UK does for the EU.
You can say I'm being a dick, but statistically, if you voted to leave you're not someone who's training or experience is in listening to experts or understanding international trade relations.
[quote=Nub_Danish]
Again your calling just calling the people on the other side stupid/uneducated where are these numbers showing the demographics voting each way, your talking out your ass. The search increase on google doesn't necessarily mean anything because you don't know who was making the search it could have been the 15-17 year olds who are old enough to be concerned but not old enough to vote.[/quote]
I mean I wouldn't call them stupid and uneducated if polling didn't indicate that they weren't. [url=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-british-public-wrong-about-nearly-everything-survey-shows-a7074311.html](overview)[/url]
I mean, its painfully clear that people who have more experience with money, education, international trade, and really any "high value" skill set were against this. Considering that Immigration and concern for the EU were concerns that peaked in the past year, it seems like this is something that came on suddenly and wasn't particularly well considered by most people. I'd assume that news cycles and negative exposure all came together to cause people to freak out over the collapse of the EU or w/e and people made panic votes without really understanding what the EU does for the UK or what the UK does for the EU.
You can say I'm being a dick, but statistically, if you voted to leave you're not someone who's training or experience is in listening to experts or understanding international trade relations.
Nub_DanishI mean that doesn't change the implication that the poor, elderly, and people who didn't go to university are inherently stupider. Going to school doesn't mean you did more research on this specific topic, neither does having more money and being younger certainly doesn't.
The implication only exists because those demographics are the ones who were the least likely to understand what the EU is, the least likely to understand how much control the UK had on immigration, the least likely to understand what controls the UK would gain if it left, and the least likely to think it will negatively affect them, while being the most likely to ignore expert opinions that said that they were wrong.
Not everyone has an opinion that's worth listening to.
[quote=Nub_Danish]
I mean that doesn't change the implication that the poor, elderly, and people who didn't go to university are inherently stupider. Going to school doesn't mean you did more research on this specific topic, neither does having more money and being younger certainly doesn't.[/quote]
The implication only exists because those demographics are the ones who were the least likely to understand what the EU is, the least likely to understand how much control the UK had on immigration, the least likely to understand what controls the UK would gain if it left, and the least likely to think it will negatively affect them, while being the most likely to ignore expert opinions that said that they were wrong.
Not everyone has an opinion that's worth listening to.
eeeNub_DanishAgain your calling just calling the people on the other side stupid/uneducated where are these numbers showing the demographics voting each way, your talking out your ass. The search increase on google doesn't necessarily mean anything because you don't know who was making the search it could have been the 15-17 year olds who are old enough to be concerned but not old enough to vote.
I mean I wouldn't call them stupid and uneducated if polling didn't indicate that they weren't. (overview)
I mean, its painfully clear that people who have more experience with money, education, international trade, and really any "high value" skill set were against this. Considering that Immigration and concern for the EU were concerns that peaked in the past year, it seems like this is something that came on suddenly and wasn't particularly well considered by most people. I'd assume that news cycles and negative exposure all came together to cause people to freak out over the collapse of the EU or w/e and people made panic votes without really understanding what the EU does for the UK or what the UK does for the EU.
You can say I'm being a dick, but statistically, if you voted to leave you're not someone who's training or experience is in listening to experts or understanding international trade relations.
alright so in those statistics the difference in people who voted to leave and those who voted to stay was only mentioned once and both groups got it wrong
[quote=eee][quote=Nub_Danish]
Again your calling just calling the people on the other side stupid/uneducated where are these numbers showing the demographics voting each way, your talking out your ass. The search increase on google doesn't necessarily mean anything because you don't know who was making the search it could have been the 15-17 year olds who are old enough to be concerned but not old enough to vote.[/quote]
I mean I wouldn't call them stupid and uneducated if polling didn't indicate that they weren't. [url=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-british-public-wrong-about-nearly-everything-survey-shows-a7074311.html](overview)[/url]
I mean, its painfully clear that people who have more experience with money, education, international trade, and really any "high value" skill set were against this. Considering that Immigration and concern for the EU were concerns that peaked in the past year, it seems like this is something that came on suddenly and wasn't particularly well considered by most people. I'd assume that news cycles and negative exposure all came together to cause people to freak out over the collapse of the EU or w/e and people made panic votes without really understanding what the EU does for the UK or what the UK does for the EU.
You can say I'm being a dick, but statistically, if you voted to leave you're not someone who's training or experience is in listening to experts or understanding international trade relations.[/quote]
alright so in those statistics the difference in people who voted to leave and those who voted to stay was only mentioned once and both groups got it wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkLXOWimMY8
E: when the vote came as close as 52-48 I think it's quite a shame the #leave -side of the table got some crucial extra percentages throught hate politics and racism. Not claiming that #leavevoters are racist, in fact I think most of them are in for the #wearetheengland #letusmakeourlaws #anddealwithppl, it's just that a lot of people seem to think voting against EU "helps against the f**king turks and polaks who steal our jobs!!!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkLXOWimMY8
E: when the vote came as close as 52-48 I think it's quite a shame the #leave -side of the table got some crucial extra percentages throught hate politics and racism. Not claiming that #leavevoters are racist, in fact I think most of them are in for the #wearetheengland #letusmakeourlaws #anddealwithppl, it's just that a lot of people seem to think voting against EU "helps against the f**king turks and polaks who steal our jobs!!!"
eeeNot everyone has an opinion that's worth listening to.
Finally somebody comes out and says what they think. The remain camp were exactly what they were portrayed to be, elitist snobs sneering at the working class and acting like the votes and opinions of those less educated or less wealthy than themselves are somehow worth less.
[quote=eee]Not everyone has an opinion that's worth listening to.[/quote]
Finally somebody comes out and says what they think. The remain camp were exactly what they were portrayed to be, elitist snobs sneering at the working class and acting like the votes and opinions of those less educated or less wealthy than themselves are somehow worth less.
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClsjsWVUsAA00u_.jpg[/img]
This is the kind of data eee is referring to
Do pointless degrees like Gender and Women's Studies count as higher education?
Do pointless degrees like Gender and Women's Studies count as higher education?
EmilioEstevezeeeNot everyone has an opinion that's worth listening to.
Finally somebody comes out and says what they think. The remain camp were exactly what they were portrayed to be, elitist snobs sneering at the working class and acting like the votes and opinions of those less educated or less wealthy than themselves are somehow worth less.
They are. Lmao if you think people who don't know anything about international trade should be allowed to dictate the foreign policy of an entire country. Democracy is a terrible system of government.
letting poor people decide how the economy works is like letting high schoolers practice medicine
RussianGuyovichDo pointless degrees like Gender and Women's Studies count as higher education?
Fun fact: those aren't real majors and almost all of the programs that exist for them are so they can be taken as a minor in social work or HR
[quote=EmilioEstevez][quote=eee]Not everyone has an opinion that's worth listening to.[/quote]
Finally somebody comes out and says what they think. The remain camp were exactly what they were portrayed to be, elitist snobs sneering at the working class and acting like the votes and opinions of those less educated or less wealthy than themselves are somehow worth less.[/quote]
They are. Lmao if you think people who don't know anything about international trade should be allowed to dictate the foreign policy of an entire country. Democracy is a terrible system of government.
letting poor people decide how the economy works is like letting high schoolers practice medicine
[quote=RussianGuyovich]Do pointless degrees like Gender and Women's Studies count as higher education?[/quote]
Fun fact: those aren't real majors and almost all of the programs that exist for them are so they can be taken as a minor in social work or HR
RussianGuyovichDavidTheWinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAu8gbAttXE&feature=youtu.be&t=90
Yep, we're all like that. Thankfully our media doesn't have an agenda in their pick and mix editing.
I never generalised a group (though I'm arguably about to below), I just posted a section of video I found interesting.
EmilioEstevezeeeNot everyone has an opinion that's worth listening to.
Finally somebody comes out and says what they think. The remain camp were exactly what they were portrayed to be, elitist snobs sneering at the working class and acting like the votes and opinions of those less educated or less wealthy than themselves are somehow worth less.
I come from a solidly working class background and (while there are exceptions) on the whole their opinion on something like the EU referendum and politics in general does carry less weight because they are generally less informed. I'm not saying the polisci graduate's vote should count for more but if you're looking at who's opinion carries more weight I'd definitely pay more attention to them than a random person from the working class.
[quote=RussianGuyovich][quote=DavidTheWin]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAu8gbAttXE&feature=youtu.be&t=90[/quote]
Yep, we're all like that. Thankfully our media doesn't have an agenda in their pick and mix editing.[/quote]
I never generalised a group (though I'm arguably about to below), I just posted a section of video I found interesting.
[quote=EmilioEstevez][quote=eee]Not everyone has an opinion that's worth listening to.[/quote]
Finally somebody comes out and says what they think. The remain camp were exactly what they were portrayed to be, elitist snobs sneering at the working class and acting like the votes and opinions of those less educated or less wealthy than themselves are somehow worth less.[/quote]
I come from a solidly working class background and (while there are exceptions) on the whole their opinion on something like the EU referendum and politics in general does carry less weight because they are generally less informed. I'm not saying the polisci graduate's vote should count for more but if you're looking at who's opinion carries more weight I'd definitely pay more attention to them than a random person from the working class.
I get that youre making a point about the higher educated to vote stay but just because some are more educated than others doesnt mean their vote counts or means anything any more than others. I wanted to stay but this is what the majority voted for.
I get that youre making a point about the higher educated to vote stay but just because some are more educated than others doesnt mean their vote counts or means anything any more than others. I wanted to stay but this is what the majority voted for.
eeeDemocracy is a terrible system of government.
Typical remain voter.
[quote=eee]Democracy is a terrible system of government.[/quote]
Typical remain voter.
RussianGuyovichDavidTheWinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAu8gbAttXE&feature=youtu.be&t=90
Yep, we're all like that. Thankfully our media doesn't have an agenda in their pick and mix editing.
People are justified in wanting to keep mass immigration of Muslims from happening theirs segregated swimming pool's and trains in Germany because of the mass immigration, theirs literally rape gangs of Muslims migrants. Maybe you get over yourself and acknowledge that maybe the people from the middle east have different morals and values from our western countries.
[quote=RussianGuyovich][quote=DavidTheWin]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAu8gbAttXE&feature=youtu.be&t=90[/quote]
Yep, we're all like that. Thankfully our media doesn't have an agenda in their pick and mix editing.[/quote]
People are justified in wanting to keep mass immigration of Muslims from happening theirs segregated swimming pool's and trains in Germany because of the mass immigration, theirs literally rape gangs of Muslims migrants. Maybe you get over yourself and acknowledge that maybe the people from the middle east have different morals and values from our western countries.
eeeFun fact: those aren't real majors and almost all of the programs that exist for them are so they can be taken as a minor in social work or HR
In some UK universities, they are offered as MAs. Perhaps they are just a formality to give the impression they actually mean something.
[quote=eee]
Fun fact: those aren't real majors and almost all of the programs that exist for them are so they can be taken as a minor in social work or HR[/quote]
In some UK universities, they are offered as MAs. Perhaps they are just a formality to give the impression they actually mean something.
EmilioEstevezeeeDemocracy is a terrible system of government.
Typical remain voter.
I'm american dipshit. I'm actually really fucking happy to watch your economy collapse because I can invest basically risk free.
GJ completely ignoring my point though. You know 100% that the working class in britain just shot themselves in the foot because they're too stupid to read a news article, but you'll defend them over idealism or some stupid shit while your country slides slowly out of the first world.
Nub_DanishRussianGuyovichDavidTheWinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAu8gbAttXE&feature=youtu.be&t=90
Yep, we're all like that. Thankfully our media doesn't have an agenda in their pick and mix editing.
People are justified in wanting to keep mass immigration of Muslims from happening theirs segregated swimming pool's and trains in Germany because of the mass immigration, theirs literally rape gangs of Muslims migrants. Maybe you get over yourself and acknowledge that maybe the people from the middle east have different morals and values from our western countries.
The UK maintained control of its own borders. They literally had nothing to gain from leaving the EU in regards to immigration.
[quote=EmilioEstevez][quote=eee]Democracy is a terrible system of government.[/quote]
Typical remain voter.[/quote]
I'm american dipshit. I'm actually really fucking happy to watch your economy collapse because I can invest basically risk free.
GJ completely ignoring my point though. You know 100% that the working class in britain just shot themselves in the foot because they're too stupid to read a news article, but you'll defend them over idealism or some stupid shit while your country slides slowly out of the first world.
[quote=Nub_Danish][quote=RussianGuyovich][quote=DavidTheWin]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAu8gbAttXE&feature=youtu.be&t=90[/quote]
Yep, we're all like that. Thankfully our media doesn't have an agenda in their pick and mix editing.[/quote]
People are justified in wanting to keep mass immigration of Muslims from happening theirs segregated swimming pool's and trains in Germany because of the mass immigration, theirs literally rape gangs of Muslims migrants. Maybe you get over yourself and acknowledge that maybe the people from the middle east have different morals and values from our western countries.[/quote]
The UK maintained control of its own borders. They literally had nothing to gain from leaving the EU in regards to immigration.
Shh you can't say bad things about Germany nub_danish.
Shh you can't say bad things about Germany nub_danish.
eeeThe UK maintained control of its own borders. They literally had nothing to gain from leaving the EU in regards to immigration.
People consider the free movement of people in the EU as immigration as well. The fact we're quite likely to negotiate a deal that includes that despite not being in the EU any more is something that's escaped them.
[quote=eee]The UK maintained control of its own borders. They literally had nothing to gain from leaving the EU in regards to immigration.[/quote]
People consider the free movement of people in the EU as immigration as well. The fact we're quite likely to negotiate a deal that includes that despite not being in the EU any more is something that's escaped them.
Nub_DanishPeople are justified in wanting to keep mass immigration of Muslims from happening theirs segregated swimming pool's and trains in Germany because of the mass immigration, theirs literally rape gangs of Muslims migrants. Maybe you get over yourself and acknowledge that maybe the people from the middle east have different morals and values from our western countries.
I voted leave FYI. It was sarcasm.
[quote=Nub_Danish]
People are justified in wanting to keep mass immigration of Muslims from happening theirs segregated swimming pool's and trains in Germany because of the mass immigration, theirs literally rape gangs of Muslims migrants. Maybe you get over yourself and acknowledge that maybe the people from the middle east have different morals and values from our western countries.[/quote]
I voted leave FYI. It was sarcasm.
eeeEmilioEstevezeeeDemocracy is a terrible system of government.
Typical remain voter.
I'm american dipshit. I'm actually really fucking happy to watch your economy collapse because I can invest basically risk free.
GJ completely ignoring my point though. You know 100% that the working class in britain just shot themselves in the foot because they're too stupid to read a news article, but you'll defend them over idealism or some stupid shit while your country slides slowly out of the first world.
Nub_DanishRussianGuyovichDavidTheWinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAu8gbAttXE&feature=youtu.be&t=90
Yep, we're all like that. Thankfully our media doesn't have an agenda in their pick and mix editing.
People are justified in wanting to keep mass immigration of Muslims from happening theirs segregated swimming pool's and trains in Germany because of the mass immigration, theirs literally rape gangs of Muslims migrants. Maybe you get over yourself and acknowledge that maybe the people from the middle east have different morals and values from our western countries.
The UK maintained control of its own borders. They literally had nothing to gain from leaving the EU in regards to immigration.
In EU anyone who is a resident of another country that is a member of the EU is allowed to enter the UK and live there. Also the EU could pass legislative requiring the UK to take a certain amount of "refugees".
[quote=eee][quote=EmilioEstevez][quote=eee]Democracy is a terrible system of government.[/quote]
Typical remain voter.[/quote]
I'm american dipshit. I'm actually really fucking happy to watch your economy collapse because I can invest basically risk free.
GJ completely ignoring my point though. You know 100% that the working class in britain just shot themselves in the foot because they're too stupid to read a news article, but you'll defend them over idealism or some stupid shit while your country slides slowly out of the first world.
[quote=Nub_Danish][quote=RussianGuyovich][quote=DavidTheWin]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAu8gbAttXE&feature=youtu.be&t=90[/quote]
Yep, we're all like that. Thankfully our media doesn't have an agenda in their pick and mix editing.[/quote]
People are justified in wanting to keep mass immigration of Muslims from happening theirs segregated swimming pool's and trains in Germany because of the mass immigration, theirs literally rape gangs of Muslims migrants. Maybe you get over yourself and acknowledge that maybe the people from the middle east have different morals and values from our western countries.[/quote]
The UK maintained control of its own borders. They literally had nothing to gain from leaving the EU in regards to immigration.[/quote]
In EU anyone who is a resident of another country that is a member of the EU is allowed to enter the UK and live there. Also the EU could pass legislative requiring the UK to take a certain amount of "refugees".
Nub_DanishAlso the EU could pass legislative requiring the UK to take a certain amount of "refugees".
That's wrong
[quote=Nub_Danish]Also the EU could pass legislative requiring the UK to take a certain amount of "refugees".[/quote]
That's wrong
eeeI'm american dipshit. I'm actually really fucking happy to watch your economy collapse because I can invest basically risk free.
GJ completely ignoring my point though. You know 100% that the working class in britain just shot themselves in the foot because they're too stupid to read a news article, but you'll defend them over idealism or some stupid shit while your country slides slowly out of the first world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETqOvBKnKdk&t=3m15s
[quote=eee]I'm american dipshit. I'm actually really fucking happy to watch your economy collapse because I can invest basically risk free.
GJ completely ignoring my point though. You know 100% that the working class in britain just shot themselves in the foot because they're too stupid to read a news article, but you'll defend them over idealism or some stupid shit while your country slides slowly out of the first world.[/quote]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETqOvBKnKdk&t=3m15s
Nub_DanishIn EU anyone who is a resident of another country that is a member of the EU is allowed to enter the UK and live there. Also the EU could pass legislative requiring the UK to take a certain amount of "refugees".
Quotes around refugees implying that people fleeing from the violence in Syria aren't actually refugees. God you're a shitbag.
[quote=Nub_Danish]In EU anyone who is a resident of another country that is a member of the EU is allowed to enter the UK and live there. Also the EU could pass legislative requiring the UK to take a certain amount of "refugees".[/quote]
Quotes around refugees implying that people fleeing from the violence in Syria aren't actually refugees. God you're a shitbag.