Is this gonna be in like irl or online with a mumble / skype meeting or something like that

This has to be one of the most BS fund raisers I've ever seen in this game. I don't object to fundraisers at all, I'm aware that people can donate as they see fit but there is so much deliberate misdirection here.

"We have also been able to reduce costs by contributing individually where we can.."
What does this mean exactly? As far as I can tell the only expenses that aren't listed in the breakdown is the £40 it will cost kos and mike collectively to get to the LAN, and Mikes accommodation which is entirely separate. The tickets were given to you for free which is left out of this information (so potential donators are led to believe you actually bought something on your own), are you honestly asking people to believe that despite "caring only about LAN" for the past 6 months that the six of you can only come up with enough money for two British people to travel to a British LAN, and even go as far as asking for £60 for another British person to get to the event.. Considering one of your players just dropped £250 or so on a monitor that he doesn't need (at all) earlier this week, this is just bullshit.

"and shoving more people into a hotel room than is advised."
5 people in two rooms. Considering there is already next-to free "rough" accommodation at the event, asking for one hotel room seems entirely sufficient. Fair enough if you want to get two, but don't make it sound like you are significantly cutting corners here. This is one guy sleeping on the floor, maybe you rotate so it's a different person on the floor for one night each. It's completely disingenuous to even suggest that this is a noteworthy sacrifice, it's just carefully worded to maintain the farce that you've done anything or made any sort of contributions as a team.

You even ask for money for a PC for alle when he plays on a laptop at home, yet still try to maintain the impression you are keeping this as low-budget as possible? There are also numerous viable options for free PCs that certain members of your team definitely know about, but instead go straight to asking for money. I guarantee if you don't hit the fundraising goal, you will still have six players at LAN with entirely adequate computers and monitors.

It seems to me that you need roughly half of the money you're asking for, and the fact you've been talking about going to this event for so long makes it ridiculous that only kos and mike can cover/contribute to their own costs. I'm aware you had a "sponsor" until a few months ago and this will probably be the excuse of choice, but it's really not a good one when you consider what that sponsor was and how long ago that became obvious even to you guys. Also to be clear I'm not suggesting people shouldn't donate, I hope they still do because the event is better with you there but just be honest about the circumstances and most people will still donate to see a good event. No need to trick the rest.

hype !

You will probably get kicked out of the hotel if you have people sleep on the floor...

depends on the hotel, at i52 I had a different person sleeping on the floor each night. Actually had 2 on the floor on the first night.

hey guys why don't u buy a 2 room hotel and make the 3rd person walk in separately
im a madlad

Inb4 sil spends his $80 on manga and we have to get sideshow back

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You don't know our financial situation at all, Mike & kos could afford to pay out of pocket so they did, the rest of us asked for help because we have to. We did get the BYOC tickets for free and it wasn't mentioned because we didn't see a reason to, this is the first time any of us do this sort of thing and the fundraiser was rushed out in about 2-3 hours saturday evening. And yes, this is our fault for leaving it so late but there's nothing we can do about that now. I might be the only person that can't see the way kos wrote this makes it sound like we're trying to deceive the community, if that's the case obviously it wasn't our intention since there's no point doing something like that in the TF2 community, because everyone is already extremely generous, doesn't matter which circumstances.

I dropped £200 on a monitor last friday because my old one had broken and it's gonna take 3 weeks to be repaired, I don't want to practice for i58 on a 60hz monitor so I bought a new one with my money from my savings that I wasn't gonna use before I move out in a couple of years. When I get my old monitor back I will sell it and break even, so that's just completely irrelevant.

We could sleep on the floor in the venue but so could every other team that's ever asked for money to go to LAN. When you're going as a top team ideally you'd want to get more than 5-6 hours sleep across a whole weekend of tournament play. Since the end goal for every top team attending is to finish 1st. Having somewhere to stay privately with your team is gonna help you win in the long run and that's the reason why teams go to these events. Again, I might be the only one who can't see the way this is written makes it sound like we're cutting corners, maybe it's because im foreign.

Yes we ask for money so alle can play the most important LAN in TF2 on a PC that gets more than 60-70 fps and has no input lag because we want to win, and so having a PC that can run the game properly is a big deal to us. To begin with we thought we had monitors and PCs available for everyone, but it turns production are using this equipment.

We could go to the LAN and not have anywhere to stay and play on shit PCs and save money yes, but it is also very unlikely we'd perform well and that's the reason we're going to LAN in the first place, to win. Forming the team for i58 was definitely our goal, but I think the biggest LAN in the game is most teams goal whenever they form, not all of them stick together long enough or end up wanting to go when it comes to it though. We didn't confirm everyones attendance till a week or so after DHS.

Our sponsor fucked us, they told us they'd still reimburse us for Dreamhack even if we left them before i58. Which would've helped us massively since we paid out of pocket for DHS.

Did you leave them because they didn't reimburse you or are they not reimbursing you since you left them?

how come you guys got BYOC tickets for free????!!!

yeah so you got 1000e for winning a qualifier, you got event tickets for free AND you got around 1000e for splitting the prize money with nameless. so you had around 330 euros each to only pay for hotel which wasnt needed because you could sleep at the event + travel. Im pretty sure you didnt need to pay THAT much from your own pocket.

We got Ronin's tickets which were given to them by multiplay, I think.

For dreamhack we covered our travel with the money from the qualifer, everyone got event tickets to DHS which was expected so I don't know what you're on about. We still haven't got our money from Dreamhack and no one has a clue when it will actually be paid out. Can't really sit here expecting to get our prize money before i58 comes around, because if we don't we still haven't booked anything and we won't have the money to.

Like I said, alle paid for a hotel last minute for DHS out of pocket, when we get our prize money the 4 players who stayed in that hotel will pay him back.

We left them because they didn't give us the support they promised for DHS, they followed up by saying we would still be reimbursed even though we were no longer a part of the organization

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Hotel rooms generally have policies, mostly relating to fire, insurance and safety where part of the terms and conditions of booking the room is that the number of people sleeping in the room does not exceed the stated number of bed places. If you book a room with 1 double bed, you can only have 2 occupants.

Depends what room you book, if you hire one that allows maximum of 3 occupants, you won't be allowed to sleep on the floor. Getting two would be sensible, unless you want to risk getting in trouble with the hotel staff.

With that said - My car is available for free overnight accommodation use, ask Hallow for reviews, A+ comfort.

This is old news.

yeah so we haven't got the prize money for dhs and we used the dhs qualifier money to go to dhs.....

Premier Inn has twin rooms with a double bed and a single sofa bed.
Will still only let you book 2 adults though.

just pointed out that thalash said you paid out of your pocket to go there, obviously the qualifier money was supposed to be used for travel expenses and isnt considered your pocket money

mike just went on a luxorious trip to maks beach house in france or something (cant remember details) he most def can afford a lan too. disrespectful tbh

i mean yeah he can...thats why they're not asking for any money for mike??

Kaidus bashing full tilt? No surprise. Oh well
Kaidus bashing full tilt in their fundraiser thread? Really toxic.

I don't understand where half your points are coming from. At no point did I say you shouldn't ask for computers and hotel rooms, but just ask for them - don't pretend you are slumming it and exploring every possible avenue when this entire thing is completely half assed, reeking of entitlement and about two months shy of being in a fashion timely enough to not warrant a bit of humility in the plea.

The monitor thing is fair enough if that's the case, but if you can dip into savings to repay them later I don't really understand why that's not an option for LAN since you will soon be paid extortionate amounts of money to attend school (whilst having 0 outgoings) if my understanding of the Danish education system is correct. It's fairly obvious you just don't want to, which I wouldn't bother to criticise on its own but when coupled with a post like the original is very disingenuous.

For the sake of full transparency, we have never had more than one room on any occasion we've competed at an iSeries event, barring i46 where we were given university housing and had our own rooms. Thinking back to the most recent event, i55, the first night I went to sleep on the floor, and the second or third night carter and I wandered around the hotel all night/morning sleeping on the couches in random ballrooms and lounge areas. It's certainly not preferred at all, but in order to minimize costs we always bought one room. To say a hotel will kick you out is complete and utter bullshit, as it's been two entirely different locations we've used this strategy (England and ALSO Texas for ESEA) and we've never heard even a peep from the hotel staff about it.

Ill donate 25$ only if I get an hour of anime with allebwai.

Ive been to many i series with 5+ people in a single hotel room. Yeah it's not allowed by the hotels but you just have to not be an idiot when getting everyone in there. I can see why you want multiple rooms as the risk will always be there but it really isnt hard getting more than 2 people in a hotel room even when they say "youre not allowed more than 2 people in a room".

Yes, my point is basically that there is no risk. Especially when you consider a group of foreigners have done it on multiple occasions without any issues. The parties never take place in the hotel room; it's strictly for sleeping. You'll have fun at the venue bar, maybe go get something to eat, then taxi back in the morning. The hotel staff isn't going to knock on your door and throw the lights on just to say "haha, gotcha!" at 3 in the morning. Just use the room for what its purpose is and try to get some sleep. No one will bother you.

True most of the time but at i49 a bunch of people all got kicked out of the same hotel when they tried to share rooms. Has been heard to happen.

Could always Airbnb somewhere and all sleep in the one place.

Longshot I know.

Maks and Hallow were actually kicked out our rooms at i55 but i think it's pretty rare that they do that

I guess it just isn't reliable when you're trying to book a trip for 6 people, if it were a family holiday or any sort of business trip, you wouldn't wing it and say "eh my friend's hotel did x y and z so it will b fine", take what I'm saying with a grain of salt, but you can't presume anything. Besides, I'm pretty sure the tf2 scene would look more of a joke when word gets out about tf2 players being unable to play because they tried to stack a hotel, as opposed to trying to get surplus money in a fundraiser for the stability of the team.

Yeah you are completely correct, from a liability point of view Hoteliers won't allow it, if there was a fire for example it would be extremely hard for them to manage with rooms over capacity.

From a customer point of view, I have shared rooms and seen other people (not me) kicked out, and yes even at 1 or 2am when we returned I remember Mould getting kicked and the person at reception actually knocked on our door 5-10 minutes after we entered, only 3 of us in a room with 1 double bed and we were being quiet as can be. So you have probably been sensible/fortunate not to be called on it. If I wanted to sleep on the floor at a hotel room and good chance I might do it this year, I would enter the Hotel by myself like 5 minutes after. Groups of 3 or larger seem to be getting watched quite closely by staff in Coventry/Telford. I guess it depends on the staff, if they care about that sort of thing.

If Thalash wants to try and book 2 rooms so people fit in safely and sleep in a bed rather than a sleeping bag on the floor which is frankly fucking awful, only camping is a worse experience to me personally, it's totally up to him. If you want to book 1 room to save money, don't mind sleeping on the floor it's up to you. People are increasingly very judgmental about the principle of attending LANs on the back of the communities money and about costs vs comfort.

I won't sit here and judge other people for how they manage themselves financially, or make assumptions about cost of living for someone else. At the end of the day we have to manage our own financial situation, if someone is willing to make a donation drive and people are willing to pay, good luck to them. I won't be donating simply because I don't have the money. I think as long as they use whatever money they are given for it's actual purpose of attending in the LAN and playing, then we all win. As long as we don't have situations which I have heard of in the past where people use the money for other purposes, it's all good for me.