the map list is fine

vote out gully or blands? rofl what the fuck

i'm pretty sure nobody wants to play reckoner

I Personally Think We Should Play Gpit Instead Of Gully Or Badlands.

this is why open players shouldn't be allowed to have a say in these things
still can't comprehend how so many retarded new players have convinced themselves badlands sucks just because they've been backcapped in pugs

edit: on the topic of the thread reckoner is horse cock, sunshine isn't much better but people have at least become familiar with it recently so i see no reason to vote it out
metalworks is the only other map i can see being voted out but i see no possible replacements that wouldn't be equally bad or worse

you gotta admit the one second cap time was pretty ridiculous

I personally would vote out metalworks but i don't think there is anything to vote in in its place that is good enough right now. We do need to make sure we get all the right updated versions this time because i feel like in the past we have gotten stuck with old versions of maps which was annoying

A: I dont pug and B: Backcaps are not the issues I have with it

this logic makes no sense to me why vote it out if there's no replacement

please elaborate

If there were to be a map voted out I would like to see metalworks gone, but as of now I don't really see any viable maps to replace it.

Badlands is a fine map now that they fixed the last cap. Gravelpit is grossly over rated from people who think they know about tf2. The only map I dislike would be granary and I'm pretty fond of wanting to try out reckoner, but we have had issues with putting in new maps in the past. I think we'll just be stuck with the same map pool this season.

i just mean i think its the weakest map in the pool but since there isn't any better maps than i think we should keep the maps the way they are.

NVM

its like u dont even play tf2 or something

I joined the community to late to play gpit but when i watched like matches of old season and lans and stuff it was always fun to spectate for me i feel like there was alot of action especially when the timer was low on c and stategy involved like the iron man that pyyyyour would do but i haven't played it so i don't really know.

I started playing at the tail end of when gpit played but the general consensus seemed to be that it was fun to watch and ass to play

Don't vote any of the maps out, all entertaining and fun to watch.

Gpit was taken out because it forced offclasses, please don't vote to reinstate this map.

Personally i'd vote out Gully, but that is solely due to my hatred of the map.

I'd also consider voting out metalworks (or I guess sunshine) for reckoner in an effort to align the 3 scenes map pools.

gully is better than granary metalworks and sunshine
even retards who hate badlands know gully is a good map
this isnt s14 lan (god bless) the map is fine anyone who complains about it doesn't know how to push out of/into last

Somehow using a brain gets you downfragged.
s a d b o i s

Yeah, Gully is a good map, but that doesn't stop me from wanting it gone due to my hatred of it haha.

Edit: I wont actually vote it out though, I'll probably vote to either stay the same or get ESEA in line with ETF2L or OZF

are you still drunk from lan

I wont actually vote it out though, I'll probably vote to either stay the same or get ESEA in line with ETF2L or OZF

I just fucking hate the map. Both as a player and I'm not a huge fan as a caster.

spire is a terrible
fuck badlands

a terrible what

The map itself is not that bad, it is one of the better maps in the game TBH especially considering its age. The map was and is a staple map of Tf2 because of that, it was the best map to play in the early days of 6s, the issues that I have with it now is how the 6s meta has changed and how the way we play the map has changed because of that.
You get 2 things that happen on blands, one team gets fucked on mid and loses the med then the other team rolls into last and round is over, there is no fighting over 2nd, no chance to defend you just lose if the other team is not retarded. The 2nd option is one team wins mid and the other team falls back to second with the med still up. And then you get into a 20 min stalemate because pushing into second from mid on even ubers is the biggest pain in the ass because of how chokey the choke is, you have no room to move around or set things up, so you just throw tagg bombs in until you get something. The issue with the map is that it is too small yet too big at the same time. You have loads of small chokey areas like lobby, choke, house and the entire last point, but to get to those areas you have to traverse large areas of more or less useless land and because of that you do not have a combat zone that spreads over an entire map, you have 4 or 5 small zones of combat with lots of nothing in between them. The map does not flow well with how we play Tf2 today. It may not be the worst map we have in rotation right now but it is no where near the best. Backcaps are a thing that people have to learn how to deal with and have nothing to do with how a map should be seen.

Now feel free to call me a retarded open player that doesn't know anything.

What is with everyone meming about Gravelpit? These people clearly were not around when Gravelpit was played because it wasn't good. It was dreadfully boring especially for medics. 1/2 the time you spend hiding in spawn building uber while the rest of your team sacks in like lemmings for a force. Then once you finally have uber you have to do what is basicly a extremely difficult entrenched last push then rinse and repeat. There is a reason it got removed.

Vote out Metalworks because it is a stalemate shitfest our Sunshine because fuck scout mains.

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