I really don't understand the mindset here. I could understand if this was perhaps done literally as Season 22 ended where we could've said "okay, lets just leave everything unbanned for right now then just come to a decision as to what to ban after a long period of testing."

But instead no lets just pull this fucking white list out of no where that not only affect esea literally HOURS before the season starts but also affects the entire competitive community and we have no say? Just here this is what you get, run with it?

You could not have executed this any worse.

Coming from a Dota/CSGO standpoint (so like actual esports) seeing shit like this is downright cringey

TIME 2 LAND SOME SICK 30 DAMAGE ROCKETS ON THEIR HEAVY CUZ EVERYONE ELSE IS FAST ENOUGH TO MOVE AWAY FROM THAT HUGE OF A RANGE!11!1 JUST DID 90 DAMAGE TO THEIR HEAVY WHILE MY TEAM DIED, SKORE!11!1

obviously you've played against jackster using it in HL
if it's incredibly stupid to counter in HL, a mode with a perma heavy, engie, and sniper, it's easily going to be a much bigger problem in 6's where you hopefully do not have a perma heavy, engie and sniper

Well at least this thread had made me feel a lot less bad about never being able to hit a fucking BASE jumper.

Loch n Load is an upgrade imo

you have no idea how competitive tf2 works do you

my feelings on this whitelist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qC6ud_ZVA8

http://www.ugcleague.com/players_page.cfm?player_id=76561198047320079

Just played some scrims with it and yeah it's pretty stupid. I killed the enemy medics from halfway across the map. Also on process if you rollout right you can land three pipes in their choke right when the combo is pushing through and do 100-300 damgae pretty easily

Changes like this will save TF2, if it even has any chance of being saved left, after years of constant neglect from valve

Really though, it came down to valve not releasing a trash Ranked mode, so people would play it with no weapon bans, and they could collect the data and figure out what weapons were trash and which were good in 6v6 play

But valve fucked that up too, and no one plays Competitive mode anymore

i would play it as a low-level player if it wasnt so god-awful and had a memory leak etc...

http://i.imgur.com/BPFnDjV.png

Do you care to articulate why you feel this why?

i didn't play with that team but thanks for the autistic e-stalking

unbanned atomizer haha now thats epic now i finally have a reason to run shotgun as a roamer!!!

Valve actually does a fairly good job at balancing the items in the game when you take into consideration that they are gearing the items towards pubs. Items that are balanced in pubs aren't necessarily gonna be balanced in a competitive format where there's only 6 players on a team and class limits.

No sorry, I come from an ACTUAL esports background, from an ACTUAL esport (Top Dota 2 player in the Americas, amateur tourney experience)

But I'm sure this community's strategy of banning anything that looks slightly different from the scattergun or the rocket launcher will save tf2 and make for a great competitive gaming experience that will reach a large audience

Please tell us more about how Mobas and FPS games are the exact same thing.

EDIT: Also get this "bans are bad" Shit out of here. Dota has a ban stage at the start of every game FFS, you make 10 heros unplayable at the start every game.

Get your head out of you ass, you have no idea what you are talking about.

I don't know if I've ever had less fun playing competitive tf2 than I did with this new whitelist in scrims tonight

Scrims feel like a lobby where the whitelist is broken and people just start fucking around.

Damn dude I wish I could be a top player for any game and only have amateur tourney experience. Considering I googled you and found like nothing at all I think its safe to say your bullshitting right now.

The TF2 team is tiny, this game has had extremely questionable additions balance-wise. A great number of people are overreacting to stuff, but in all honestly this whitelist is pretty fucked up when you consider that valve won't get around to fixing things very quickly. At the very least I think everyone agrees that the base jumper, atomizer, jarate, and rescue ranger are all fucking stupid and need to get banned again asap. Good cases are being made for the cow mangler, loch n load, gunslinger, beggars, air strike and natascha. I really want to see this shit reworked because I fear for the health of the game and I am sure many other people share that sentiment :/

Are you autistic? How can you even consider those to be the same thing? Banning 10 heroes in one match vs banning a bunch of weapons in a global whitelist

Being a top player in a game that's actually taken seriously and not a joke has taught me more about game balance than you will ever understand in your entire fucking life you moron

Icefrog quickly stopped removing heroes from Captain's Mode because he wanted pro feedback and a better understanding of how those heroes function with new heroes being added to the game, and the changing current heroes with each patch

I fear for the health of the game

Yeah if you actually cared you would want these weapons unbanned so valve can see how OP or UP they are

whatever its your dead irrelevant game, not mine, already sold most of my tf2 stuff LUL

u can tell he's a dota player because he says autistic a lot

You keep saying that you are a top player. Please post a dotabuff, or a team that you are on for majors, or any T2 team you are apart of. If not I am going to assume you are just some 5K NA dota player who thinks he is good because he played a pub with BabyRage once.

Bruh can you please explain how you are a top NA DOTA player? like at least give us a team name b/c none of us can even find you let alone have heard of you.

holy shit this thread blew up

https://clips.twitch.tv/rando/ElegantOryxSwiftRage

THank god for bans, look how IMBA this fucking base jumper is

reBAN PLEASE!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AHSQ5eL1kM

i have 5 other frag vids of beggars bazooka back when i played hl

i would come back to tf2 just to use this fucking weapon again