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#515 Clinton sure isn't having a lot of trouble talking about policy issues. But hey, if it's just Trumps 'temperament' that prevents him from forming a coherent sentence every time someone calls him the sad little man that he is, having a president like that sounds like a great idea!

I can try and explain why Trump's policies are bad. The wall is a waste of money, his tax plan will increase the deficit, he wants to reban gay marriage where possible, he doesn't support free trade or international alliances, etc. He provides very little detail on how he even plans to do most of these, and what details he provides are often inconsistent with what he said previously (his evolution on the muslim ban for example).

But doing that would be pointless. If you think that discussing policy is worthwhile when the candidate continues to show that he has a poor understanding of the way the government works (appointing a special prosecutor, stop and frisk, etc) then I don't think we can even have a meaningful discussion of his policies. If we tried to, I'd link studies and articles showing why his policies are either unethical, unconstitutional, or uneconomical and you'd call me a liberal media cuck shill posting marxist jew (((professors))) research or w/e

because at this point if you think Trump has a good policy plan you haven't actually looked at his policy

and if you think he's a person that should be conducting diplomacy you're an idiot

also why are europeans and foreigners supporting him exactly? you do realize if his economic miracle some how works its going to depend on recreating the post WW2 economic boom that mostly happened because your continent was a crater that couldn't actually make anything. For the US (or Europe) to become a manufacturing powerhouse would require the other major nations to collapse economically

bit of a blogpost but dang I'm concerned in my future as an hispanic person looking to move legally into the US after I graduate, and not just that but also being LGBQT is most definitely gonna suck if trump wins
:/

what's the difference between queer and gay

"the wall will have a nice door for legal immigration" so i don't see an issue. and letting these things be a matter of local level instead of enforcing federal law along with things like education seems more liberal, as it removes intervention on federal level.
Also, try being a gay muslim lmao, i've read enough stories of gay muslims and convos that their own community in this country basically expel them from the family or worse, trying to "correct" them. seems better, than enforcing a local underfunded school in the countryside to install a genderneutral bathroom, becuase one person can just sue them for not being compliant with the laws. Also, Syria, Tunisia and Libya had a notorious underground gay community, guess what happens when the salafists got in charge.

I really don't wanna derail the thread past this but queer is more of an in-group umbrella term for the LGBT spectrum and gay is a much more specific term

isn't queer a slur?

I just want to point out whay should be obvious as all hell but everyone seems to miss with the whole "build a wall" thing. Unless it becomes the Koran DMZ a 50' wall is only going to do two things, first waste tax payers money and 2nd of all create a booming and emerging 51' ladder economy.

tl;dr = "i have compiled lots of sources that prove that a lot, if not all of donald trump's policies will be very ineffective and harmful, but i won't show them to you because you're all closed-minded and walking SHEEPLE, AND COMPLETELY WRONG ABOUT THIS WHOLE ELECTION, UNLIKE ME"

im sorta new to this forum, am i just feeding a troll? i can't tell because i do know people who unironically think like this

Its elliot so probably yes

it is too late, elliot is already in your brain
hes like a vampire he can only get in if you argue back

This just in: fundamentalist religion sucks. You really think fundamentalist Christianity is better than fundamentalist Islam?

Anyway, this thread is a great example of how Trump is normalizing racism. People getting downfragged for calling Trump Islamophobic is ridiculous, but it makes sense that people have convinced themselves Trump isn't racist. When you already hold subconscious racist views and then a major party nominee starts repeating those racist views regularly it's very easy for you to decide that your racist views are actually truth. It really makes me depressed about the human race as a whole.

bait

here are some sources for some of eee's claims

his tax plan would increase the deficit

he wants to reban gay marriage where possible

he doesn't support free trade

he doesn't support international alliances

he provides very little detail on how he plans to do most of these things

trump on stop and frisk

trumps policies are unconstitutional

feel free to tell me how all of these news articles from different sources are all liberal media shills, and how they probably aren't telling the truth anyway even though most of them contain direct quotes from donald trump

What do you mean by that? It's not bait, it's just a fact. We can get into terrorism statistics if you want but spoiler: Jihadist terrorism is only a very small percentage of terrorist acts committed in the EU and even smaller in the US. In the EU right-wing terrorism, largely motivated by "anti-immigration and anti-Islam sentiments", is on the rise right along with Jihadist terrorism. They're both very small and largely negligible compared to ethnonationalist and separatist terrorism.
https://www.europol.europa.eu/content/european-union-terrorism-situation-and-trend-report-te-sat-2016

Fundamentalist Christians kill people they disagree with just like fundamentalist Muslims.

It depends on how it's used, liberal arts colleges typically have a gender/queer studies course (or major) for example so it's not necessarily derogatory given the right context.

Edit:

This would be derogatory lmfao

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/13/here-are-the-10-countries-where-homosexuality-may-be-punished-by-death-2/
Can you name me a fundamentalist Christian country in that list where "sodomy" is punishable by death?
and if you wouldnt want a christian fundamentalist country, why would you be ok with western powers directly or indirectly creating regions where sharia law is legal code?
this is not an issue of racism, on the contrary, as someone who cares for faggots worldwide, i would like everyone to be able to have their love without fear of reprecussions. And thus, i'm against any religion that enforces its archaic law on it's people. That's real LGBT activism imho.

Also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe

go down the page and sort on deathcount highest, and compare it to all other attacks or incidents. see a similarity? More deaths and wounded then from every other cathegory combined.
now, go sort on date from newest to oldest. well gee thats like uniquely islamist attacks in the last two decades.

now, why would people be antagonistic vs fundamentalist islam when in the last two decades terrorisms has caused so much harm?

Now, when and where was the last fundamentalist christian terrorist attack in europe or usa that compares?

on queer and faggot, i see them both as former sluts taken over by the ones it once targeted and become "our" word. Like how black people call each other nigga, or if i call my partner a faggot. the only person that allows you to be offended over a slur word is yourself.

I was more so talking about your post that was referencing the gay muslim post.
While evangelics of any religion are bad, christianity already had its reform and became westernized. Every country where being gay is punishable by death, public flogging, or prison time is middle eastern and islamic. It's considerably more difficult to be gay and muslim in the middle east than being gay and christian/settling in a christian community anywhere else.

Blah blah blah sharia law

The only group trying to push archaic religious law into government in the US is Christianity. I have to fucking laugh at people who claim to be for LGBT rights while supporting the right, like their platform is *explicitly * against them.

Just lmao

http://i.imgur.com/707WaS2.png

My source, statistics from Europol, clearly show that Islamic terrorist attacks were a small percentage of terrorist attacks in the EU in 2015. You linked an incomplete list from Wikipedia that marks itself as incomplete.

activism implies action. Saying "I don't like Islam" is not LGBT activism in any way shape or form rofl

see, thats the real racism right here, you're more interested in your own people having slight discomforts or irrational fears that the rights will be taken away (if you would read the article lyreix linked, the program of pence was letting local level decide what they do. sounds the opposite of pushing federal USA law. Of course that first world problem is way way worse, then being victim to female genital mutilation, or being executed for "witchcraft" (still a legal reason to do so in Saudi-Arabia), "sodomy" or in other countries become a social pariah, or forced to emigrate because of harassment or threats from their own family. millions of people do not have the luxury in living in a society that tolerates them, if that is not an ethical issue, when you deal with other nations then what is with all the rage of American politicians on Putin's anti "gay propaganda laws" but close their eyes and ears when the rich investors from the united arab emirates come over.

"The main concern reported by EU Member States continues to be
jihadist terrorism and the closely related phenomenon of foreign
terrorist fighters, travelling to and from conflict zones. The attacks
in Paris in January and November 2015 represented a clear shift
in the intent and capability of jihadist terrorists to inflict mass
casualties on urban populations designed to induce a high state of
well-publicised terror. Other attacks committed by radicalised and
violent jihadist individuals that occurred in the EU - such as the
killing of two people in Copenhagen, Denmark, and the knife attack
in Nice, France which wounded three soldiers – both in February
2015 – underscore the diversity of the threat. Most jihadist
terrorist acts that took place in the EU in 2015 were performed
in the name of Islamic State (IS)."

if the number Islamic terrorism is just a fraction compared to the rest, then why is it the main concern of the EU and its rise the very reason the rapport was made in the first place? Did you actually even read it, because you didn't even city any number out of the rapport.

Hey, I can totally agree with you on this one. US politicians generally don't actually care that much about human right's and will rail against countries the US is not allied with (like Russia) for their human rights abuses while ignoring human right's abuses in countries the US is allied with (like Saudi Arabia or The United Arab Emirates).

However, this doesn't make the human right's abuse in Russia any less real.

Ever heard of "write for rights" by amnesty International? I have written some. What did you do, besides going on a pride parade, to feel good about yourself in a society that allows you to do so?

because people are scared, basing their fears off what they read about not based off of statistics. Each country's government, representing its people, acts accordingly. This isn't a strong argument

It's the "main concern reported by EU Member States" because people like you exist in those countries lol.

And yes you can look at the numbers yourself, they're literally put in nice little bullet points at the start of each section. Islamic terrorist attacks are not a large percentage of terrorist attacks in the EU.

I dont think u get to say "ive written something" and say it matters when yr end goal is promote discrimination. Trying to deflect from supporting racist or xenophobic policies by saying yre supporting lgbt issues makes you a giant asshole

Also thank u gamer for posting links to trump articles. I was busy and figured if trump never sources anything i dont have to either but it is still nice