Gary Johnson has applied the liberation free market approach to international politics, ignore it and it will work out on its own

1. how is it antisemitism just cuz its a Jewish name, irish people were forced to change their last name, German people were forced to change their last name (esp during WWI)
oh yea double standards are always applied i forgot.

2. just cuz you aren't bothered to actually read the image and google the names and realise i replied to someone taking that show as actual truth while its now proven its cliton propaganda shows u just like to ignore facts while u focus on grammer errors noone gives a shit bout shows u feel u are so "intellectually superior" by being a noob in a buble...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP2c0rDEFCk

trump is an asshole

jfc this thread is so retarded can we just dumpster it

Some people on the internet think Donald Trump is good, others think he is bad, I don't know who to believe!

US Parties is easily a top 3 meme of all time

Will be interesting to see what happens this Sunday. I think Trump really needs to step his game up from the last debate in order to turn some heads his way. Clinton came off much more experienced in debates which makes a lot of sense considering her history. Unfortunately both side's supporters are stuck in echo chambers and just discard criticisms thrown at their favorite candidate, but this seems to happen more with Hillary.

Supporters of Trump tend to be much more enthusiastic and in general older than supporters of Clinton. Look at Trump's rallies compared to her's. It's interesting because people see crazy amounts of Trump hate and Hillary support online but the question is will that translate into real life voters?

On a side note, does it make anyone else cringe when they see a 12 year old with a Donald Trump avatar in pubs?

It might just be Canada and all but idk about that, I always see the opposite. Most people I know who support Trump (whether it be thinking Trump's great, or just that Hillary's worse) are the same people who share shitty death grips memes on facebook. It's not everyone, don't get me wrong, but at least where I am and the people I've talked to, they make up most of the fairly few vocal Trump supporters I know. Meanwhile even of the relatively conservative older crowd I talk to or the rural-townie types I talk to think Trump's the worst and don't get how anyone could support him.

Not that that's the case everywhere (Canada'd definitely be a different case than the states, a lot of the things Trump's against don't apply or are very well liked in Canada, and having no actual involvement but being close enough that we'll still be impacted makes it a different scenario for sure), but I really do think Trump's standing in the "I love edgy internet memes" crowd is a lot bigger than people give it credit for.

To be fair the Canadian media is somehow even more anti-trump than the US media and I'm sure that's had some effect on it. When I ask people about Trump here almost nobody knows any of his policies but they can all list off all the conspiracies about him not paying taxes or being racist/sexist/islamaphobic/whatever whereas in the US I'm sure more people care at least somewhat about the policy of their presidential candidates so there's a more even divide.

so trump says that canadian health care sucks, how does it compare to my no health care tf2 canadians?

him not paying taxes isn't a conspiracy theory
he is definitely racist, sexist, and islamophohibic

stop supporting the rise of white nationalism on the continent thanks

The quality of health care is perfectly fine but surgery wait lists are usually over a year, emergency rooms are overflowing, there's way too many bureaucrats and not enough doctors and nurses. It costs a little bit less on average for us than for Americans IIRC. Lots of people have secondary health care through their employer.

edit: also it's not federal, varies province by province

As you can see by my little flag I'm a yank, but I agree from what I've heard from Canadians I know. One of them went to the clinic to get a blood test only to be told that it would be best to go to a private clinic.

I've heard some depressing stories about pets getting faster treatment on non-life threatening but important things than humans because the pets have private health care rather than public.

that's pretty much what you'd get here if you asked someone about trump, one of the first things someone might say about him is "well he is incredibly racist!", then you ask them why they think that and they'll reply "well he called mexican people rapists and drug dealers!". you mentioned the canadian media being very anti-trump and i fail to see how the US media is any different, this "racism" response is largely due to the media like CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, New York Times, Huffington Post, etc, all somewhat twisting trump's words whenever they can. for instance, when he was talking about illegal immigrants coming to the US and committing a high number of crimes, many news sources were quick to say he was talking about all immigrants (specifically hispanic/mexican) being like this.

the latest in the mass media twisting trump's words was in last night's debate, where he was metaphorically using "acid washed" to talk about hillary clinton's emails being deleted. some of these "fact checking" websites are LITERALLY saying shit like "hillary clinton did NOT use any physical corrosive chemicals to delete her emails, she used a software called bleachbit"

Anyone who thinks that America doesn't currently have "socialized" healthcare is delusional. Every single tax paying citizen right now is paying for the care of millions of underserved Americans.

You think poor people don't get care? What they don't get is /primary/ care, they dont see PCPs, dont get prevention treatment for hypertension, hyperlipidemia, diabetes etc. Poor people get those diseases too (in fact, they get them more frequently). So when they have a stroke, or a heart attack, or a mental break, or their legs swell up and they can't feel them anymore as their lungs slowly get drenched with a frothy mixture of blood and sputum and they drown on dry land... they call 911. They call 911 and go to the emergency room and receive emergency care.

Emergency care is by far the most expensive kind.

So when people say we can't afford socialized health care... we already do, what we cant afford is to keep doing it. I don't know the numbers off the top of my head but I would be willing to bet that for every person you prevent from getting a heart attack, you could use that money to treat 10 people for pre-existing conditions

The stories you hear out of Canada are awful. But what you don't hear is the stories I hear every day on the streets in one of the poorest urban parts of Midwest america.

unless you have a source it's really retarded to try to use this to augment the strength of your argument.

Considering drshadowpuppet is a paramedic, I'm willing to take his word for it.

I was spitballing numbers and not making a good argument per say. For something a little more serious (though still not proper research) we can take some stuff we know.This study indicates that emergency events (ranging from simple TIA to full STEMI with hospitalization and subsequent death after ICU stay) cost from 17 to 125 thousand dollars per instance. Lets say an average of 70k (note this is what is charged to medicare, not the outrageous bills we see on reddit).

Simvastatin can be had for 12 dollars a month. If started early and combined with diet and annual checkups, many people don't need any other drugs to control their high cholesterol. Lets throw in metoprolol for hypertension (13/mo) and metformin for controlled diabetes (20/mo). This is your average unwell adult, millions of these people everywhere. People that take these medications and control diet with some exercise can expect to live normal lives. Thats 45/mo, 540/year, 21k for 40 years. Add in a few grand for doctors visits, but you still hit around 3 prevented incidents per. Its not 10, but also consider that these people's lives are immeasurably improved and more productive, and that those are the rates for my high deductible plan at my closest pharmacy. I am sure that a single payer plan might be able to negotiate down those prices.

My number (hyperbolic as it was) was incorrect, buy my point was not.

Blame trumps shitty wording for this, not the media

If he wanted to be clear that he meant illegal immigrants, he should have said that

Please, do not tell me that this was how the debate went down recently.

http://imgur.com/gallery/Y55XO

Yep the media is hugely biased. I believe I remember reading that a study from even a liberal university stated that over 90% of mass media has bias that is left of center. The media is very dishonest, especially when it comes to Trump, because they want to keep crooked Hillary in power so they can keep hiding the dirty deeds of this country.

Another example of gross media bias. Trump came to my city (I didn't attend the rally) but watched a couple clips on the news. And they showed Trump at the airport speaking for a bit, took a few words he said out of context making him sound racist, when the original comment had nothing to do with that. And then they literally said that tons of people were there protesting and showed crowds of people in another city protesting, implying that people in my city were. I know people that went to the rally and I know what the buildings look like in that area and they were showing protesters from a different city and saying it was here lol.

The fact checkers are also a complete joke like you pointed out. One thing recently was when Trump said that ICE endorsed him. The fact checkers were quick to say that ICE didn't, but many of them left out the fact that the union that all ICE workers are apart of did endorse Trump. So basically they are calling him false based on a minor technicality. They also fact checked a sarcastic statement by Trump in the last debate when he said Hillary has been fighting ISIS for 30 years, the fact checkers are like false! ISIS has only existed for 4 years bla bla bla, but their roots go back about 10 years bla bla bla. Idiots man.

Get your news from alternative news sources people, mass media is a conglomerate of corporate puppets and government shills.

#trump2016

The reason nobody talks about trumps policies is because he doesn't talk about his own policies and as far as we can tell, he doesn't really have any besides 'build the wall!' and 'get out those damn illegals!" For other candidates you can go online and find their actual, stated stances on almost any issue. You can't do that with Trump so people talk about what they can, which is his frequent bouts of incomprehensible rambling and 'slip-ups'

I guess now we know that he would support Assad and Putin in Syria. Or was that him misspeaking again?

Yes, he never posted anything online

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies

That was a difficult search. You didn't find them cause you never attempted to even look at them.

Thank u whiteracecadet i will now definitely support donald j trump for president with such in-depth and well thought out strategies as cutting his own taxes, inreasing the deficit, and making america great again!!!!

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/immigration-and-customs-enforcement-officers-endorse-donald-j.-trump-for-pr

According to trump's own press release that union only represents 5000 people while ICE actually employs 20,000, so yes, saying that all its workers are apart of that union is a bit of a stretch.

What you are claiming as a "liberal bias" is really just the reality of running for fucking president, part of politics is knowing that anything you say in public will be ripped apart by everyone. Its part of the job description and it happens to everyone, if he can't take the heat he should stop saying stupid fucking things

Can someone move this thread to world events sub pls

I mean it's kinda hard to discuss policy when you've got Trump's temparament and all the opposition cares about is attacking the candidate personally over completely irrelevant shit or spout current year buzzwords

like this

I for one sure care more about him not paying more tax than required by law and crude guy talk from 11 years ago than policy!

please move this thread please