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nigga what the fuck

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just lock the thread already

these threads are intertaining as fuck lmao
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I would agree that based on this it would seem that b4nny has aspergers but as someone with aspergers and have met many others also diagnosed with it. I don't believe that b4nny himself has aspergers.

consider unbanning pomson they fixed the invisible projectile glitch, though the uber drain mechanic is kinda busted
consider unbanning the quick fix as they nerfed it last patch
ban jarate it is much too much of a get out of jail free card and dying for bombing a sniper when he happens to throw it last second is actually bullshit
ban rescue ranger the right click is overpowered and the left click is also much too powerful

anything else is whatever (ie. banning cow mangler as it becomes stronger when rescue ranger isn't in the game)

man why did this thread have to turn into a bunch of personal attacks. cut it out guys.

aight thanks everyone for your input, if you have more to say go ahead and post it but i think we've seen enough opinions here to move forward.

Every time i go into a controversial thread everybody is just throwing shit at each other and it smells bad

because people take things personally and because individual people should be responsible for things they say/do

yall are really bustin my onions with these hypotheticals

Seriously though, I understand you guys want to unban some weapons that have been nerfed recently, just to see if they gonna work again in comp, and also show Valve what's wrong for them to fix in the future balances; then continue until there's no restriction

But, there's no point to do this, on paper we already know they won't work, and some weapons mechanics are just dumb no matter how their's stats are changed every re-balance; allow them then ban again won't gain any good, but bad experiences for players who attend for that season.

Also we don't even know if Valve ever gathered any data from these type of comp matches, or they only balance things around Pubs

When we put together the first version of the global whitelist, we had unbanned a ton of stuff that stayed banned for ages simply because people were too lazy to reevaluate them. I think an interesting outcome of that experiment was that it forced people to try using some of this stuff and take it seriously. We saw serious use of things like the cow mangler, gunslinger, which are potentially game breaking weapons, but we also unbanned like 30 other weapons that nobody cared about.

While I'm not trying to traumatize anyone again with atomizer/base jumper scrims, I do think there's a bunch of stuff that is probably unjustly banned. The solemn vow? Probably not game breaking. Flying guillotine? Same.

My point is, don't panic. Let's just have a global whitelist meeting and see what comes of it. We'll consider banning some stuff and unbanning some other stuff while at the same time trying to keep the peace across the community. The most important thing to me is that everyone worldwide plays with the same weapons.

In case you hadn't noticed somebody here has difficulty getting along with the humans. Or is it ants now?

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flying guillotine would definitely be dumb to unban

let's play right click the choke for no risk and free 80 damage simulator

Dropping the med for free at random from a lost mid will happen

The fact that we've even given the slightest consideration to unbanning the cleaver worries me immensely

i have literally been BEGGING that someone make a promod of tf2, preferably from a post 2008 client though, the game was riddled with issues around those times i heard

b4nny is going back to complain to twitter and his braindead twitch subs where he doesnt get argued with

building a pro mod is legit retarded

nice argument

it would scatter even more a small competitive community already divided.
It's obvious that not everyone will love the promode, and thus those players will stay on the official version of the game.
Not even mentioning that it would be far more difficult for new people to come to know the competitive side of TF2 and thus it would kill comp tf even faster

If you didn't realize this, fun is subjective.

Subjective; based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions

Therefore, just because you can have fun dealing with all these annoying weapons, doesn't mean others will have the same experience as you. This is okay, I thought you would have the ability to understand this simple concept, other players in the community are not "idiots" because they aren't having the same experience as you when you play, their views on based on their own experiences in TF2, not yours.

Sure, I'll see you in 9 years.

If you want some reasons why building a pro mod is retarded, think about who would want to use a promod. If TFTV says they're going to use the promod exclusively for competitive TF2, do you expect ESEA and FACEIT to follow suit? And if TFTV refuses to play competitive TF2 that isn't on the promod and refuse to play ESEA and FACEIT if they don't use it too, then you've killed two of the last major companies supporting TF2. And at that point, you've basically killed any money that goes into TF2.

Then there's the problem that you'd have players have to download two versions of TF2 if they want to still play pubs. Even b4nny still plays pubs during downtime and a promod would never have enough players to play pubs. At that point, why not just play regular TF2 for competitive? If you build a promod and people still play pubs, the two versions of TF2 they'd be playing would be completely different and inconsistent.

And what if a new player wants to join TF2? They'd have to look up some TF2 website and download and install a "promod" to just play the game. Most people would rather just play Valve's standard TF2 and stick to playing pubs rather than having to download and follow some website to play "competitive" TF2. And unless somebody wants to develop an anticheat and consistently update it, there's always the possibility of cheaters still being prominent in the promod and possibly even worse.

And finally, if the entire competitive community leaves to play promod (which is unlikely), then essentially you've killed competitive TF2 and now we'd be all living in a false paradise of competitive TF2 that will eventually die on its own since the competitive community has isolated themselves from everybody to play by themselves.

This is legitimately the most destructive thread I've ever seen on TFTV. The slander and absolutely retarded ideas being thrown around and accepted by people are doing more harm than good to this community. If you want TF2 to live, support ESEA and support FACEIT. If companies see that there's interest in competitive TF2 and their services, they'll show interest in us as well.

But if you want to lock yourself in a box and screech at change and new players, be my guest.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't whitelisting a feature that Valve added into the game?

Did Valve not create the ability for us to pick and ban weapon usage on a per server basis?

Now, if this is the case and Valve did give people the ability to create a whitelist, why are we trying to move away from it? Why are we assuming that Valve wants us to use every weapon in the game when they've purposely given us a way to ban weapons? We have been doing exactly what they wanted this whole time by using the feature to ban unlocks, have we not?

If that's the case, and we're already doing things as Valve sees fit by using the whitelist system, then it literally doesn't matter how many weapons we unban, we're never going to get the attention from them that we want, and we should focus our efforts on other aspects of our scene while keeping it fun to play.

Valve added the white list functionality at a time when they had no interest in competitive play, but wanted us to shut up and stop bothering them with complaints about how new weapons affected 6v6.

tfw still no EU ESEA

Support FACEIT :)

I think you could do the rebalances with a sourcemod plugin but I'm not sure.

If I am right it would give players the opportunity to experiment with much more in depth rebalances that valve could take inspiration from.