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I don't see what ETF2L was doing with Permzilla 5 seasons ago was any different to now, teams who finished 6th got a Prem spot, teams that won High got a Prem spot, teams that didn't contradict the 4+ players on your team were eligible to lose their spots - same process really, same unwritten rules. Skill level is determined by official matches in ETF2L during regular seasons, this has not really changed in several years, I really don't get your points. Only thing that changes season on season is the unpredictability of Premiership teams folding and spots that there are in the division.

You're being unreasonable. Post on ETF2L forum or ETF2L Discord to discuss further with admins.

If I have a conversation with you through discord will you leak it like you leaked things that got posted in the admin forum 6 seasons ago, you know before you got kicked out of the ETF2L admin team?

permzilla & sonny black steps back, hildreth returns :thinking:

please provide facts before you claim things like this, it doesn't look good for yourself

i can confirm what thalash said

gg easy

omg omg eu drama #thirdplaceb4nny

Ouch

Inb4 all these new prem team lose playoffs

http://etf2l.org/2015/02/27/staff-changes-friday-bans/

England Hildreth has also left the staff.

I don't know man, the public statement says that he left the staff, hildreth himself says he left the staff yet you insist he was kicked? There is also no proof of him leaking anything, and your words alone are not really proof either.

I also really wonder why once you run out of arguments, you start attacking personalities instead of the case at hand? If you and your circlejerk of ex-prem players don't have anything relevant to say, I suggest you spend more time practicing instead of talking shit so you don't need to fold when you lose in the pre-season playoffs

don't worry etf2l admins, no need to make any changes

sinking skill levels and sharp signup decline will fix itself surely

I can confirm everything Thalash ever said in the past and everything he ever will say in the future.

http://i.imgur.com/gaTJWmB.jpg

Anyway guys hello I've joined Lowpander thanks for all the support I've been getting

I'm fairly certain no matter how good admins you had or what anyone would try will not bring numbers or skill up in this game that has been shit on by the developers, especially when better managed alternatives exist (the game to which most good tf2 players moved to)

Nice, still waiting for the evidence though, the words of an admin in the same circlejerk who left the admin team once tf2 was confirmed dead doesn't really help either.

good luck my dudes

Obviously it just says "left the staff", it's not going to say "ETF2L are kicking this admin because they leaked stuff and we're pissed off" for the sake of PR? I am not gonna go into details on here because there's no point now and I don't have concrete proof but I don't care enough to make something up. There are enough people that know the facts behind this so I suggest you ask Hildreth about this if you haven't already.

What does that even mean, TF2 has been in the same shitty position for about 4 years

i agree
lets just give up

valve shit on the game, lets continue playing by their pants on head game design no need to change anything
because fuck it
overwatch is winning anyways right?

What does hildreth leaking stuff like 1.5 years ago have ANYTHING to do with this conversation

U guys are just trying to smear his name because u know he's right

All I did was post some facts for you, your response is to slander me, which is a clear sign you haven't really got a good argument to present, or if you have you haven't presented it very well or made a counter argument. But like I said this isn't the place.

You can speak to ETF2L Admins in the Feedback Discord, it is there for a reason - Head Admins / League Admins will ultimately make decisions. I have zero interest in speaking to you on a one on one basis because you act like a child in almost every scenario we've ever spoke online, only time I had a reasonable conversation with you was briefly one time at LAN.

yeah? don't see what's wrong with that since the chances of getting valve to change anything is around 0% as proven by the efforts of this community for the past 5 years.

I dunno man, I asked hildreth and he told me he hadn't leaked anything, and that he got into an argument with sonnyblack and left the admin team because he didn't want to bother with it anymore. If you want me to believe you, you have plenty of platforms to give me the facts on.

im also sure the current admin team will take your ideas about saving tf2 if you write them here on this thread, keep it up

What was the argument about though?... I am not bothered in the slightest whether you believe me on some 3 year old irrelevant drama, but I just wanted to back Thalash up because what he said is true and instantly dismissed.

Not sure what relevance that has to what I said, but I assume it's some smart comment about me saying tf2 was in a shit position while i was head admin.

I believe in u crayon u r a strong and proud medic and I wish u good luck in ur new team <3

How did thalash come across this information about Hildreth leaking something? Really boggles my mind how you call him out on something like that yet your circlejerk obviously also holds some information not available to the general public.

Changes like the fresh meat cup designed to try to get more new players to sign up for ETF2L? I'm all for a good shitting on admins, but it's not like they can suddenly revive a stagnant/slowly dying game.

We're also trying to form a Newbie Group but we need more people to help us, we will make a proper discussion thread on this soon!

Permzilla didn't tell me this, I just messaged him on steam asking him to confirm it after I already posted it because he was an Admin at the time of this happening. The person Hildreth leaked this to told someone else who then told me, only I got informed about this incident today, and not 2½ years ago.

Oh no I'm all for the newbie cups and groups, that is in fact how I got started playing, in 2010 newbie mixes.

This recent bridging between valve matchmaking rules and etf2l 6v6 rules is what I am against

Open up the admin forums leak it all information will NOT be hidden we need to know who did 9/11 and where the aliens are.
Freedom of information act 5 U.S.C. § 552

I dunno why you're so intent on discrediting me just because I posted facts to you that you can't accept. I am not on trial here, the current admin team know the facts of the case cos its well documented internally and they know what is being said isn't true, so I have no worries about it.

Cheers for Crayon, go Lowpander!! :)