flyingbuddy: I love sigafoo cause he makes me realise that you know, at least some people have less brains than I do
himari_tfflyingbuddy: I love sigafoo cause he makes me realise that you know, at least some people have less brains than I do
ye nah cunt is fucked
ye nah cunt is fucked
I leave the community for like 2 months AND THIS IS THE SHIT I COME BACK TO.
WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON
WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON
tfw you can't make it past open 6v6 so you have to make your own league
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The toxicity/better community/"voice of the community" idea is just more evidence that he's doing this shit for his own ego.
What if 7v7 actually took off? What if it was either a really good game-mode (lol) or it just gained a bunch of traction?
The same people who are the "voice" of 6v6 would be the voice of 7v7.
Joebanana45 the pyro main and his rag tag band of pubbers aren't gonna beat invite teams just because you're forcing them to run badly designed classes for the whole game.
Also, my twitch highlight of my stream wiener bombing his stream three years ago doesn't work anymore. Does he still stream? I'm about to go give him the solo wiener bomb right now babyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
What if 7v7 actually took off? What if it was either a really good game-mode (lol) or it just gained a bunch of traction?
The same people who are the "voice" of 6v6 would be the voice of 7v7.
Joebanana45 the pyro main and his rag tag band of pubbers aren't gonna beat invite teams just because you're forcing them to run badly designed classes for the whole game.
Also, my twitch highlight of my stream wiener bombing his stream three years ago doesn't work anymore. Does he still stream? I'm about to go give him the solo wiener bomb right now babyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Aren't you guys even remotely scared of a TF2 Dev coming in here and seeing all the negativity that someone is receiving for putting their own money into a tournament? They'd probably walk away thinking: "Well, i guess we won't put money into this either, if this is the response it's going to get".
LegendaryRQAAren't you guys even remotely scared of a TF2 Dev coming in here and seeing all the negativity that someone is receiving for putting their own money into a tournament? They'd probably walk away thinking: "Well, i guess we won't put money into this either, if this is the response it's going to get".
except valve has already accepted 6v6 as the competitive format for tf2, not 7v7
except valve has already accepted 6v6 as the competitive format for tf2, not 7v7
LegendaryRQAAren't you guys even remotely scared of a TF2 Dev coming in here and seeing all the negativity that someone is receiving for putting their own money into a tournament? They'd probably walk away thinking: "Well, i guess we won't put money into this either, if this is the response it's going to get".
yes i am trembling
yes i am trembling
LegendaryRQA is right the devs might see us being mean and drop the plans for the $1000000 major.
Can we all have a moment of silence for the real victim here, eXtine. Con-man sigafoo has tricked the kind fun loving eXtine into producing this shitty format with promises of "fun" and "free content". To see a man who has done so much for the community resort to such lows... it hurts my heart. I eXpected better of you meatball man.
The easiest way to rid yourself of an enamy, is to make him a friend
LegendaryRQAAren't you guys even remotely scared of a TF2 Dev coming in here and seeing all the negativity that someone is receiving for putting their own money into a tournament? They'd probably walk away thinking: "Well, i guess we won't put money into this either, if this is the response it's going to get".
It's more likely that Valve will see the shitfest that is 7v7, say "fuck this" and stop caring about comp at all. Which is extremely unlikely, but there is no way Valve doesn't know people love the idea of money, just that we don't like it when it's thrown at bad formats that only exist out of spite.
The issue isn't that Sigafoo's putting money into something. It's not even that he's throwing away money into something useless. It's that he's throwing money at something that does nothing except convince new players "6s and HL are stale, unfun, and toxic, so we need something new and better" and telling them that this proven awful format is supposed to be the best of both worlds. He's supporting something that's actively bad for the competitive community, and the issue with the money is that it means it will have an impact to newer players (that, as we know from how bad 7v7 was every other time it's been played, will inevitably be negative).
I don't think the impact will be huge, but it's still Sigafoo putting thousands of dollars into something that will hurt the 6s and HL communities (whether intentionally or not), just because he doesn't like the 6s community. And for that reason I think the idea is fucking awful.
It's more likely that Valve will see the shitfest that is 7v7, say "fuck this" and stop caring about comp at all. Which is extremely unlikely, but there is no way Valve doesn't know people love the idea of money, just that we don't like it when it's thrown at bad formats that only exist out of spite.
The issue isn't that Sigafoo's putting money into something. It's not even that he's throwing away money into something useless. It's that he's throwing money at something that does nothing except convince new players "6s and HL are stale, unfun, and toxic, so we need something new and better" and telling them that this proven awful format is supposed to be the best of both worlds. He's supporting something that's actively bad for the competitive community, and the issue with the money is that it means it will have an impact to newer players (that, as we know from how bad 7v7 was every other time it's been played, will inevitably be negative).
I don't think the impact will be huge, but it's still Sigafoo putting thousands of dollars into something that will hurt the 6s and HL communities (whether intentionally or not), just because he doesn't like the 6s community. And for that reason I think the idea is fucking awful.
JarateKingLegendaryRQAAren't you guys even remotely scared of a TF2 Dev coming in here and seeing all the negativity that someone is receiving for putting their own money into a tournament? They'd probably walk away thinking: "Well, i guess we won't put money into this either, if this is the response it's going to get".It's more likely that Valve will see the shitfest that is 7v7, say "fuck this" and stop caring about comp at all. Which is extremely unlikely, but there is no way Valve doesn't know people love the idea of money, just that we don't like it when it's thrown at bad formats that only exist out of spite.
The issue isn't that Sigafoo's putting money into something. It's not even that he's throwing away money into something useless. It's that he's throwing money at something that does nothing except convince new players "6s and HL are stale, unfun, and toxic, so we need something new and better" and telling them that this proven awful format is supposed to be the best of both worlds. He's supporting something that's actively bad for the competitive community, and the issue with the money is that it means it will have an impact to newer players (that, as we know from how bad 7v7 was every other time it's been played, will inevitably be negative).
I don't think the impact will be huge, but it's still Sigafoo putting thousands of dollars into something that will hurt the 6s and HL communities (whether intentionally or not), just because he doesn't like the 6s community. And for that reason I think the idea is fucking awful.
So what you're saying is that all things being equal; Prolander, pick/ban, pl maps, prize pool, ect. All of it. And it was 6v6 instead of 7v7, everyone would suddenly be on bored with this? Sorry if i'm skeptical, but some people in the tf.tv community get really emotional when you make the slightest alteration to what they're used to. Personally i find it difficult to believe that PUTTING MONEY INTO A DYING GAME, can be anything but a good thing. If everyone is so against this tournament, why don't you just make your own league with your own money?
It's more likely that Valve will see the shitfest that is 7v7, say "fuck this" and stop caring about comp at all. Which is extremely unlikely, but there is no way Valve doesn't know people love the idea of money, just that we don't like it when it's thrown at bad formats that only exist out of spite.
The issue isn't that Sigafoo's putting money into something. It's not even that he's throwing away money into something useless. It's that he's throwing money at something that does nothing except convince new players "6s and HL are stale, unfun, and toxic, so we need something new and better" and telling them that this proven awful format is supposed to be the best of both worlds. He's supporting something that's actively bad for the competitive community, and the issue with the money is that it means it will have an impact to newer players (that, as we know from how bad 7v7 was every other time it's been played, will inevitably be negative).
I don't think the impact will be huge, but it's still Sigafoo putting thousands of dollars into something that will hurt the 6s and HL communities (whether intentionally or not), just because he doesn't like the 6s community. And for that reason I think the idea is fucking awful.[/quote]
So what you're saying is that all things being equal; Prolander, pick/ban, pl maps, prize pool, ect. All of it. And it was 6v6 instead of 7v7, everyone would suddenly be on bored with this? Sorry if i'm skeptical, but some people in the tf.tv community get really emotional when you make the slightest alteration to what they're used to. Personally i find it difficult to believe that PUTTING MONEY INTO A DYING GAME, can be anything but a good thing. If everyone is so against this tournament, why don't you just make your own league with your own money?
LegendaryRQASo what you're saying is that all things being equal; Prolander, pick/ban, pl maps, prize pool, ect. All of it. And it was 6v6 instead of 7v7, everyone would suddenly be on bored with this?
When I said 7v7, I meant all that with it too. It's a lot easier than saying "prolander 7v7 pick/ban unlocks w/ pl maps".
If it were a genuine 6v6 league, without any of these gimmicks that we know from experience (both individually and all together) don't work at all, no one would have any issues with it. It'd be great if that was the case actually.
LegendaryRQAPersonally i find it difficult to believe that PUTTING MONEY INTO A DYING GAME, can be anything but a good thing. If everyone is so against this tournament, why don't you just make your own league with your own money?
The issue is that he's putting money into something that will actively kill it faster. He's essentially putting his money and popularity into saying "6s and HL need to be replaced" with his only alternative being much worse, there is no good way this can go.
We do have our own leagues btw.
When I said 7v7, I meant all that with it too. It's a lot easier than saying "prolander 7v7 pick/ban unlocks w/ pl maps".
If it were a genuine 6v6 league, without any of these gimmicks that we know from experience (both individually and all together) don't work at all, no one would have any issues with it. It'd be great if that was the case actually.[quote=LegendaryRQA]Personally i find it difficult to believe that PUTTING MONEY INTO A DYING GAME, can be anything but a good thing. If everyone is so against this tournament, why don't you just make your own league with your own money?[/quote]The issue is that he's putting money into something that will actively kill it faster. He's essentially putting his money and popularity into saying "6s and HL need to be replaced" with his only alternative being much worse, there is no good way this can go.
We do have our own leagues btw.
LegendaryRQA So what you're saying is that all things being equal; Prolander, pick/ban, pl maps, prize pool, ect. All of it. And it was 6v6 instead of 7v7, everyone would suddenly be on bored with this?
Prolander is bad, pick/ban is worse than whitelists, there are no good 6s pl maps, and a prize pool would sure be cool for 6s. Those things sigafoo is putting just make 7s even worse.
LegendaryRQA Sorry if i'm skeptical, but some people in the tf.tv community get really emotional when you make the slightest alteration to what they're used to.
Why would you not be against an objectively bad change?
LegendaryRQA Personally i find it difficult to believe that PUTTING MONEY INTO A DYING GAME, can be anything but a good thing. If everyone is so against this tournament, why don't you just make your own league with your own money?
You're only putting money into b4nny's wallet. Putting money on garbage doesn't make it any less garbage, it just makes people join, grab the money then forget about said garbage. Not everyone has a shitton of money to waste, people are just voicing their opinions on his way to financially support the comp scene.
The worst is that he's not even trying to help the game, he's just doing it for some petty revenge/ego trip/crusade against the mean 6s community that doesn't let him play engie full time.
Prolander is bad, pick/ban is worse than whitelists, there are no good 6s pl maps, and a prize pool would sure be cool for 6s. Those things sigafoo is putting just make 7s even worse.
[quote=LegendaryRQA] Sorry if i'm skeptical, but some people in the tf.tv community get really emotional when you make the slightest alteration to what they're used to.[/quote]
Why would you not be against an objectively [i]bad[/i] change?
[quote=LegendaryRQA] Personally i find it difficult to believe that PUTTING MONEY INTO A DYING GAME, can be anything but a good thing. If everyone is so against this tournament, why don't you just make your own league with your own money?[/quote]
You're only putting money into b4nny's wallet. Putting money on garbage doesn't make it any less garbage, it just makes people join, grab the money then forget about said garbage. Not everyone has a shitton of money to waste, people are just voicing their opinions on his way to financially support the comp scene.
The worst is that he's not even trying to help the game, he's just doing it for some petty revenge/ego trip/crusade against the mean 6s community that doesn't let him play engie full time.
LegendaryRQAIf everyone is so against this tournament, why don't you just make your own league with your own money?
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DrummerThe worst is that he's not even trying to help the game, he's just doing it for some petty revenge/ego trip/crusade against the mean 6s community that doesn't let him play engie full time.
I don't know the guy vary well beyond "He played in plat" back when that actually meant something. So i don't know about this whole vendetta you're talking about. But i'm whiling to give someone who loves the game enough to put down 4000$ of what i can only imagine is his own money to support a dying scene, the benefit of the doubt. Also forgive me when i don't side with a bunch of whiny 15-year-olds who's first reaction to what is basically an act of charity is just "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" or "Y THOU xD". You just make the rest of the scene look bad.
I don't know the guy vary well beyond "He played in plat" back when that actually meant something. So i don't know about this whole vendetta you're talking about. But i'm whiling to give someone who loves the game enough to put down 4000$ of what i can only imagine is his own money to support a dying scene, the benefit of the doubt. Also forgive me when i don't side with a bunch of whiny 15-year-olds who's first reaction to what is basically an act of charity is just "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" or "Y THOU xD". You just make the rest of the scene look bad.
LegendaryRQAI don't know the guy vary well beyond "He played in plat" back when that actually meant something. So i don't know about this whole vendetta you're talking about. But i'm whiling to give someone who loves the game enough to put down 4000$ of what i can only imagine is his own money to support a dying scene, the benefit of the doubt.
He held a cup testing this exact format before. He originally had it be 6v6, then changed it to 7v7 when some people disagreed with testing everything at once and not individually, or pointing out that some of these things had in fact been tested before and found to have no merit (at which point everyone disagreed, since a last minute change to 7v7 screwed with a lot of teams and would mean that no one could get any useful info from it).
How much he's cared about what we think since then should be easy to tell just from the format; no real changes, despite it being very obvious even if you never talked to anyone here that it had many big issues. If he's ignorant of its problems, that also means he gives 0 fucks about what the 6s community thinks nowadays. But I don't think Sigafoo's a complete idiot, there's no way he can't be aware that there are legitimate problems with his format, I think it's more likely that he doesn't want to look like he's taking advice from communities like ours (including his playerbase of mostly 6s players who actually entered his previous cup, who have also given detailed feedback) out of spite.
Best case, he thinks none of us know what we're talking about and doesn't even consider our opinions, despite nearly unanimous agreement of the people who played in it. Worst case, he is actively ignoring us because he doesn't like us. Neither one is any good, and however much money he puts into it doesn't change that.
LegendaryRQAAlso forgive me when i don't side with a bunch of whiny 15-year-olds who's first reaction to what is basically an act of charity is just "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" or "Y THOU xD". You just make the rest of the scene look bad.
Insulting the people who disagree with you doesn't give your own argument validity.
He held a cup testing this exact format before. He originally had it be 6v6, then changed it to 7v7 when some people disagreed with testing everything at once and not individually, or pointing out that some of these things had in fact been tested before and found to have no merit (at which point everyone disagreed, since a last minute change to 7v7 screwed with a lot of teams and would mean that no one could get any useful info from it).
How much he's cared about what we think since then should be easy to tell just from the format; no real changes, despite it being very obvious even if you never talked to anyone here that it had many big issues. If he's ignorant of its problems, that also means he gives 0 fucks about what the 6s community thinks nowadays. But I don't think Sigafoo's a complete idiot, there's no way he can't be aware that there are legitimate problems with his format, I think it's more likely that he doesn't want to look like he's taking advice from communities like ours (including his playerbase of mostly 6s players who actually entered his previous cup, who have also given detailed feedback) out of spite.
Best case, he thinks none of us know what we're talking about and doesn't even consider our opinions, despite nearly unanimous agreement of the people who played in it. Worst case, he is actively ignoring us because he doesn't like us. Neither one is any good, and however much money he puts into it doesn't change that.[quote=LegendaryRQA]Also forgive me when i don't side with a bunch of whiny 15-year-olds who's first reaction to what is basically an act of charity is just "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" or "Y THOU xD". You just make the rest of the scene look bad.[/quote]
Insulting the people who disagree with you doesn't give your own argument validity.
haha yeah guys and for this 7v7 league i say we try out this really cool idea to mix up the stale meta it's called Oasis mod
LegendaryRQA Also forgive me when i don't side with a bunch of whiny 15-year-olds who's first reaction to what is basically an act of charity is just "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" or "Y THOU xD". You just make the rest of the scene look bad.
No, people like you who blindly follow idiots off cliffs are what make us look bad.
Why are you using age as an argument and telling people to host their own tourneys when you cant even deduce the context needed to use "board" instead of "bored" and probably haven't earned a single penny in your budding adolescent life?
Do yourself and the rest of us a favor and quit following sigafoo so blindly. Educate yourself on why what he's doing is shitty for everyone involved (this thread is full of enticing study material) and maybe you'll understand. Or you know, keep posting on reddit forever with your head up your ass. Your choice.
No, people like you who blindly follow idiots off cliffs are what make us look bad.
Why are you using age as an argument and telling people to host their own tourneys when you cant even deduce the context needed to use "board" instead of "bored" and probably haven't earned a single penny in your budding adolescent life?
Do yourself and the rest of us a favor and quit following sigafoo so blindly. Educate yourself on why what he's doing is shitty for everyone involved (this thread is full of enticing study material) and maybe you'll understand. Or you know, keep posting on reddit forever with your head up your ass. Your choice.
why this men crying abbout somewone who wanted make tournament with money?? maybe dont play if yuor are not like it idiots.:D sigafou are very generious for do this and this moneys? they are not from esea illegal bitcoin they are from the mans own money, if yuo ask me who other will give own money for tournament?? nowone i tell yuo man. keep cry but peoples who want play this? they are play no problem for yuo so bla bla bla cry how any your want its not gona stop :D
(i am only think how sigafou getted this money? from enginer play in UGC platinium long time or maybe he sell drug like breaking bad? :D)(or maybe pay no rent becouse he live in boat like stabby?? haha)(only joke but sigafou if yuo wanted respond this then your are free for that)(no ofense for yuo stabby)
(i am only think how sigafou getted this money? from enginer play in UGC platinium long time or maybe he sell drug like breaking bad? :D)(or maybe pay no rent becouse he live in boat like stabby?? haha)(only joke but sigafou if yuo wanted respond this then your are free for that)(no ofense for yuo stabby)
why this men crying abbout somewone who wanted make tournament with money?? maybe dont play if yuor are not like it idiots.:D sigafou are very generious for do this and this moneys? they are not from esea illegal bitcoin they are from the mans own money, if yuo ask me who other will give own money for tournament?? nowone i tell yuo man. keep cry but peoples who want play this? they are play no problem for yuo so bla bla bla cry how any your want its not gona stop :D
(i am only think how sigafou getted this money? from enginer play in UGC platinium long time or maybe he sell drug like breaking bad? :D)(or maybe pay no rent becouse he live in boat like stabby?? haha)(only joke but sigafou if yuo wanted respond this then your are free for that)(no ofense for yuo stabby)
(i am only think how sigafou getted this money? from enginer play in UGC platinium long time or maybe he sell drug like breaking bad? :D)(or maybe pay no rent becouse he live in boat like stabby?? haha)(only joke but sigafou if yuo wanted respond this then your are free for that)(no ofense for yuo stabby)