Dr_SpamomanI do not think anyone has more second place finishes than Zebbosai, so that would make him the second best. (Flawless logic).
Also the argument that people needs to play multiple classes is sort of invalid. I have no doubt Mike could destroy on scout, however if you had option to have Mike on your team you would most likely put him on solly. (i know he played demo at i46, however i started to pay attention to comp tf2 after i46.) Very few people talk about Mikes time as demo, can someone say if it because it was bad or just overshadowed by his soldier play?
Same with clockwork, he could probably do good on solly, but putting him on anything other than flank scout would be shooting yourself in the leg. Clockwork played solly very early in his tf2 days. he is featured in one of the Fragged by TLR movies.
I see the multiclass argument however there are people that are so good on their main it is foolish to take them on any other class.
You say that the argument that people need to play multiple classes is invalid, then give examples of people playing multiple classes.
[quote=Dr_Spamoman]I do not think anyone has more second place finishes than Zebbosai, so that would make him the second best. (Flawless logic).
Also the argument that people needs to play multiple classes is sort of invalid. I have no doubt Mike could destroy on scout, however if you had option to have Mike on your team you would most likely put him on solly. (i know he played demo at i46, however i started to pay attention to comp tf2 after i46.) Very few people talk about Mikes time as demo, can someone say if it because it was bad or just overshadowed by his soldier play?
Same with clockwork, he could probably do good on solly, but putting him on anything other than flank scout would be shooting yourself in the leg. Clockwork played solly very early in his tf2 days. he is featured in one of the Fragged by TLR movies.
I see the multiclass argument however there are people that are so good on their main it is foolish to take them on any other class.[/quote]
You say that the argument that people need to play multiple classes is invalid, then give examples of people playing multiple classes.
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but the International Ranking System says zoob is the Worst Player in TF2
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but the International Ranking System says zoob is the Worst Player in TF2
Dr_Spamoman
Also the argument that people needs to play multiple classes is sort of invalid. I have no doubt Mike could destroy on scout, however if you had option to have Mike on your team you would most likely put him on solly. (i know he played demo at i46, however i started to pay attention to comp tf2 after i46.) Very few people talk about Mikes time as demo, can someone say if it because it was bad or just overshadowed by his soldier play?
Same with clockwork, he could probably do good on solly, but putting him on anything other than flank scout would be shooting yourself in the leg. Clockwork played solly very early in his tf2 days. he is featured in one of the Fragged by TLR movies.
This paragraph is the main problem with these types of discussions.
You either base your opinions on what players have physically achieved or you base it on what "you think" they could do if put in that situation.
I am not much for playing TF2 theory. To me, either a player actually played the class and achieved success at LAN or they didn't.
Its literally the same as saying Michael Jordan would have been the best Center of all time had he decided to play that position.
[quote=Dr_Spamoman]
Also the argument that people needs to play multiple classes is sort of invalid. I have no doubt Mike could destroy on scout, however if you had option to have Mike on your team you would most likely put him on solly. (i know he played demo at i46, however i started to pay attention to comp tf2 after i46.) Very few people talk about Mikes time as demo, can someone say if it because it was bad or just overshadowed by his soldier play?
Same with clockwork, he could probably do good on solly, but putting him on anything other than flank scout would be shooting yourself in the leg. Clockwork played solly very early in his tf2 days. he is featured in one of the Fragged by TLR movies.[/quote]
This paragraph is the main problem with these types of discussions.
You either base your opinions on what players have physically achieved or you base it on what "you think" they could do if put in that situation.
I am not much for playing TF2 theory. To me, either a player actually played the class and achieved success at LAN or they didn't.
Its literally the same as saying Michael Jordan would have been the best Center of all time had he decided to play that position.
SpaceCadetDr_Spamoman
This paragraph is the main problem with these types of discussions.
You either base your opinions on what players have physically achieved or you base it on what "you think" they could do if put in that situation.
I am not much for playing TF2 theory. To me, either a player actually played the class and achieved success at LAN or they didn't.
Its literally the same as saying Michael Jordan would have been the best Center of all time had he decided to play that position.
ok but this is stupid because mj was like 6'6 and clearly wouldn't be able to play center but it's reasonable to assume mike would've been at least very good on other classes
[quote=SpaceCadet][quote=Dr_Spamoman]
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This paragraph is the main problem with these types of discussions.
You either base your opinions on what players have physically achieved or you base it on what "you think" they could do if put in that situation.
I am not much for playing TF2 theory. To me, either a player actually played the class and achieved success at LAN or they didn't.
Its literally the same as saying Michael Jordan would have been the best Center of all time had he decided to play that position.[/quote]
ok but this is stupid because mj was like 6'6 and clearly wouldn't be able to play center but it's reasonable to assume mike would've been at least very good on other classes
16jacobjSpaceCadetDr_Spamoman
This paragraph is the main problem with these types of discussions.
You either base your opinions on what players have physically achieved or you base it on what "you think" they could do if put in that situation.
I am not much for playing TF2 theory. To me, either a player actually played the class and achieved success at LAN or they didn't.
Its literally the same as saying Michael Jordan would have been the best Center of all time had he decided to play that position.
ok but this is stupid because mj was like 6'6 and clearly wouldn't be able to play center but it's reasonable to assume mike would've been at least very good on other classes
Exactly my point. As you say "reasonable to assume". If that is how you want to gauge this topic then go for it.
I prefer to form my opinions on that actual facts from the matches that were played and not things I assume.
[quote=16jacobj][quote=SpaceCadet][quote=Dr_Spamoman]
[/quote]
This paragraph is the main problem with these types of discussions.
You either base your opinions on what players have physically achieved or you base it on what "you think" they could do if put in that situation.
I am not much for playing TF2 theory. To me, either a player actually played the class and achieved success at LAN or they didn't.
Its literally the same as saying Michael Jordan would have been the best Center of all time had he decided to play that position.[/quote]
ok but this is stupid because mj was like 6'6 and clearly wouldn't be able to play center but it's reasonable to assume mike would've been at least very good on other classes[/quote]
Exactly my point. As you say "reasonable to assume". If that is how you want to gauge this topic then go for it.
I prefer to form my opinions on that actual facts from the matches that were played and not things I assume.
[quote=zana]delfy[/quote]
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ymRaisinIf we determine "best ever" based on success at the highest level, b4nny is the second best player ever. He has three world championships under his belt, and nobody else has more.
Blaze, however, also has 3, but he has never lost an international LAN, so he is the best
Am I mistaken? b4nny and blaze won i52 and i55 under Froyotech but where is the 3rd world title from? b4nny has two wins in five appearances (i46 with LG, i49 with HRG, and i58 with Froyo), while blaze is 2-for-2. With that it's akin to John Elway vs.Eli Manning, Elway also went 2-3 while Manning went 2-0, though obviously getting to the Superbowl and an iSeries are not the same lol. Also worth noting is that b4nny has made international appearances on three classes and performed very well on all of them.
[quote=ymRaisin]If we determine "best ever" based on success at the highest level, b4nny is the second best player ever. He has three world championships under his belt, and nobody else has more.
Blaze, however, also has 3, but he has never lost an international LAN, so he is the best[/quote]
Am I mistaken? b4nny and blaze won i52 and i55 under Froyotech but where is the 3rd world title from? b4nny has two wins in five appearances (i46 with LG, i49 with HRG, and i58 with Froyo), while blaze is 2-for-2. With that it's akin to John Elway vs.Eli Manning, Elway also went 2-3 while Manning went 2-0, though obviously getting to the Superbowl and an iSeries are not the same lol. Also worth noting is that b4nny has made international appearances on three classes and performed very well on all of them.
Tery_
reminder that esa rewind was an international lan, that's probably where he's getting blaze's third international win from
[quote=Tery_][/quote]
reminder that esa rewind was an international lan, that's probably where he's getting blaze's third international win from
Tery_Am I mistaken? b4nny and blaze won i52 and i55 under Froyotech but where is the 3rd world title from?
Rewind LAN counts as a world championship because Se7en and JT were there. The last time blaze lost on LAN was August 2013.
[quote=Tery_]
Am I mistaken? b4nny and blaze won i52 and i55 under Froyotech but where is the 3rd world title from? [/quote]
Rewind LAN counts as a world championship because Se7en and JT were there. The last time blaze lost on LAN was August 2013.
viperTery_
reminder that esa rewind was an international lan, that's probably where he's getting blaze's third international win from
Ohhh that's it. Thanks!
[quote=viper][quote=Tery_][/quote]
reminder that esa rewind was an international lan, that's probably where he's getting blaze's third international win from[/quote]
Ohhh that's it. Thanks!
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but the International Ranking System says zoob is the Worst Player in TF2
Worse than a caster NotLikeThis
[quote=bearodactyl][quote=fooqp]zoob
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but the International Ranking System says zoob is the Worst Player in TF2[/quote]
Worse than a caster NotLikeThis