Not to sound like a meme but any 'good' spies in top level basically only ambi headshot spam and its so strong

all of these arguments hinge on the idea that spy needs to be a balanced class that can do many different things, when in reality he's always been designed to do one thing (getting key picks suddenly) really well, and every other weapon is made to let you do that one thing in different ways. the ambassador always stuck out like a sore thumb, because it was intended to allow for safer (albeit much less instant) mid-range picks from unexpected places, but instead of that being the popular strategy, everyone saw spy mains using it to destroy people in pubs, and that's how they decided it was actually supposed to be used.

nobody's denying that it takes skill to use the ambassador, the problem is that being able to use it skillfully at long ranges is a worthless skill. you're spending all this time learning how to play a worse sniper, when you could just be playing sniper, and getting actual kills off of your shots instead of not even being able to kill scouts

what if landing a headshot reduced the cooldown time before you can land another one while keeping the rest of the changes? This would make it so you can't snipe with it like you could before but you still have a good chance at winning a 1v1 if you hit your headshots.

yes im sorry i dont want a spy dead ringing behind, sniping me for 102 and then when my soldier goes to fight him he dr's away only to come back and shoot me for 102 over and over again with no punishment.

*cough* bwelp *cough*

yeah thats the problem though it wasnt the amby it was the DR. if i ever died using that combo it was because a sniper headshot me/someone surprised me but other than that i thought it was funny and obv awful design i could go anywhere on the map, run at 3 pyros and still have more than half my health when i go to safety. they change the DR like every patch and have no idea what to do with it, actually they have no idea what to do with spy as a class, but this new invulnerability to flames is just the most stupidest idea you could possibly think of, but its still there i think. ive never gone for a backstab and dont want to but i think i could probably still get away with that shit even with this ammo nerf cause the thing is just dumb. i hadnt played spy in years but when i started the amby shit i didnt need to learn the ins and outs cause it plays the game for you.

if he had the invis watch, your soldier would just kill him and then its a balanced situation cause the spy had to decide when it was the right time to go for it and stuff.

because spy SUCKS

I haven't played highlander spy in like a year but you're pretty much better off using the revolver in every single situation now rather than the ambassador. The worst part about playing spy and the reason I quit playing it altogether is that playing spy doesn't actually help you improve at real tf2 at any appreciable rate. The issue I have with this nerf is that it just makes that problem even worse by making one of the few parts of spy that actually trains decent aim into a pretty shitty sidegrade. Anyone who spends a lot of time playing spy now will get good at exploiting careless players but not much else, even more so than before. I think nerfing the dead ringer into the ground and then seeing if the ambassador nerf was necessary might have been smarter than the double nerf that ended up happening

i herd its because ppl did not like death due to tiny handgun across big map

Your statement is conflicting since you used the words "Valve" and "why" in the same sentence.

pubers get upset they get destroyed by people superior to them

Play Sniper to get headshot at long range.

I agree that the Diamondback could use the same crit damage falloff nerf and stored crits arent used for shots while disguised.

experienced amby spy's opinion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4udwMcy4e0

I don't need to go through 28 minutes to know that every and all Euro spies don't like this change

he explains why quite well.
Also i guess he starts at 12:25

because fuck spy mains :)))