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In Lange's stream, they said that the upcoming ESEA LAN will most likely be their last as casters.
In Lange's stream, they said that the upcoming ESEA LAN will most likely be their last as casters.
thetilemakerIn Lange's stream, they said that the upcoming ESEA LAN will most likely be their last as casters.
Possibly the comeback as players? O:]
[quote=thetilemaker]In Lange's stream, they said that the upcoming ESEA LAN will most likely be their last as casters.[/quote]
Possibly the comeback as players? O:]
Possibly the comeback as players? O:]
CheaPthetilemakerIn Lange's stream, they said that the upcoming ESEA LAN will most likely be their last as casters.
Possibly the comeback as players? O:]
Nah cbear said he's gonna be done with tf2 cause he's gonna move in with his girlfriend and stuff.
[quote=CheaP][quote=thetilemaker]In Lange's stream, they said that the upcoming ESEA LAN will most likely be their last as casters.[/quote]
Possibly the comeback as players? O:][/quote]
Nah cbear said he's gonna be done with tf2 cause he's gonna move in with his girlfriend and stuff.
Possibly the comeback as players? O:][/quote]
Nah cbear said he's gonna be done with tf2 cause he's gonna move in with his girlfriend and stuff.
man. djc really hit home last night. I am gonna better myself
man. djc really hit home last night. I am gonna better myself
Just watched it. Probably should have been said a long time ago.
Just watched it. Probably should have been said a long time ago.
pharaohyhwhwhat did they say, i missed it
G1http://www.twitch.tv/langeh/b/332106094
starts about the the 2 hour mark. its long but worth listening to the whole thing for all arguments. Later on Tyrone and TwitchtvJohn hop in
^
[quote=pharaohyhwh]what did they say, i missed it[/quote]
[quote=G1]http://www.twitch.tv/langeh/b/332106094
starts about the the 2 hour mark. its long but worth listening to the whole thing for all arguments. Later on Tyrone and TwitchtvJohn hop in[/quote]
^
[quote=G1]http://www.twitch.tv/langeh/b/332106094
starts about the the 2 hour mark. its long but worth listening to the whole thing for all arguments. Later on Tyrone and TwitchtvJohn hop in[/quote]
^
It was really good. I listened to as much as I could. I even didn't wake up for clase today just so I could listen to it tonight.
FYI, the OP was not directed to the fact that they were leaving their "careers" as casters. On the VOD you can hear them argue that they have done all they could to further TF2, and that now it is everyone else's turn to step up and do something for the game. (very much what happened on TDKR)
It was really good. I listened to as much as I could. I even didn't wake up for clase today just so I could listen to it tonight.
FYI, the OP was not directed to the fact that they were leaving their "careers" as casters. On the VOD you can hear them argue that they have done all they could to further TF2, and that now it is everyone else's turn to step up and do something for the game. (very much what happened on TDKR)
FYI, the OP was not directed to the fact that they were leaving their "careers" as casters. On the VOD you can hear them argue that they have done all they could to further TF2, and that now it is everyone else's turn to step up and do something for the game. (very much what happened on TDKR)
shit dude, even if it isn't that high of a level of a player, as long as they have experience in some form of 6v6 TF2 (preferably ESEA), then I think they should at least take some time to try out casting. hell, I think Brad casted with Sal last season in the Ducks/br0 Gpit match and people actually mentioned that they liked the fact that someone with his kind of insight was able to cast that night. things like that should be done more often. while it is just shout casting, its so sweet to just spectate these matches and hear people talk about the game in the deepest way they can because they experienced that scene for this game.
shit dude, even if it isn't that high of a level of a player, as long as they have experience in some form of 6v6 TF2 (preferably ESEA), then I think they should at least take some time to try out casting. hell, I think Brad casted with Sal last season in the Ducks/br0 Gpit match and people actually mentioned that they liked the fact that someone with his kind of insight was able to cast that night. things like that should be done more often. while it is just shout casting, its so sweet to just spectate these matches and hear people talk about the game in the deepest way they can because they experienced that scene for this game.
I've wanted to cast for a while but djc told me I had literally the worst voice of any player he's ever heard :>
I've wanted to cast for a while but djc told me I had literally the worst voice of any player he's ever heard :>
mustard, you have the one skill that is good on casters: you never shut the fuck up
mustard, you have the one skill that is good on casters: you never shut the fuck up
the more I think about it the more it makes sense. At worst, you could be TF2's husky.
You fit the profile. Annoying, talks a lot, lots of free time, and watches more TF2 than anyone else in the game. You should start casting mustard
the more I think about it the more it makes sense. At worst, you could be TF2's husky.
You fit the profile. Annoying, talks a lot, lots of free time, and watches more TF2 than anyone else in the game. You should start casting mustard
You fit the profile. Annoying, talks a lot, lots of free time, and watches more TF2 than anyone else in the game. You should start casting mustard
"none of you have done anything beside play it and whine of the forums"
I haven't listened to the whole thing but I don't understand why DJC thinks the community hasn't done shit even though they want tf2 comp to be successful. Was it not the community that payed sal back 14 grand for sending 2 teams to FUCKING EUROPE; And supported other teams in order to make it to the ESEA lan? Not to mention the fact that the community is the only reason djc has any readers, why extv has any staff, and why any stream has any amount of viewers. Consuming the content that others make isn't doing nothing, it directly supports it.
He then shits on "high IM" players for not casting, failing to realize that the reason those players cant cast is because they are busy playing the game. Most nights IM teams cant even watch eXtv because they are playing in their own ESEA matchs at the same time. Now some times invite matches are later and an IM player could finish a match and cast the invite one. But that is only if their team stops playing TF2 after a match, many teams keep scriming. Luckily Cbear got it right when he pleaded for players that AREN'T playing but where top IM or low invite to cast with eXtv.
In order to contribute to the community you need to have a solid knowledge of the game, and an ability to write coherently, or the personality to be streamed on the internet. It doesn't surprise me that their are only a handful of people like that. I haven't even mentioned that fact that everyone plays tf2 on top of going to school / having a job / being social. To contribute you need the right ratio of those things to even have enough time left to create content let alone the skills needed.
All that being said DJC is a someone I like and he is right in saying that we need more creators, I just don't like the way he went about saying it.
I also just realized DJC was drunk... maybe that is why he didn't realize these things.
"none of you have done anything beside play it and whine of the forums"
[u]I haven't listened to the whole thing[/u] but I don't understand why DJC thinks the community hasn't done shit even though they want tf2 comp to be successful. Was it not the community that payed sal back 14 grand for sending 2 teams to FUCKING EUROPE; And supported other teams in order to make it to the ESEA lan? Not to mention the fact that the community is the only reason djc has any readers, why extv has any staff, and why any stream has any amount of viewers. Consuming the content that others make isn't doing nothing, it directly supports it.
He then shits on "high IM" players for not casting, failing to realize that the reason those players cant cast is because they are busy playing the game. Most nights IM teams cant even watch eXtv because they are playing in their own ESEA matchs at the same time. Now some times invite matches are later and an IM player could finish a match and cast the invite one. But that is only if their team stops playing TF2 after a match, many teams keep scriming. Luckily Cbear got it right when he pleaded for players that AREN'T playing but where top IM or low invite to cast with eXtv.
In order to contribute to the community you need to have a solid knowledge of the game, and an ability to write coherently, or the personality to be streamed on the internet. It doesn't surprise me that their are only a handful of people like that. I haven't even mentioned that fact that everyone plays tf2 on top of going to school / having a job / being social. To contribute you need the right ratio of those things to even have enough time left to create content let alone the skills needed.
All that being said DJC is a someone I like and he is right in saying that we need more creators, I just don't like the way he went about saying it.
I also just realized DJC was drunk... maybe that is why he didn't realize these things.
[u]I haven't listened to the whole thing[/u] but I don't understand why DJC thinks the community hasn't done shit even though they want tf2 comp to be successful. Was it not the community that payed sal back 14 grand for sending 2 teams to FUCKING EUROPE; And supported other teams in order to make it to the ESEA lan? Not to mention the fact that the community is the only reason djc has any readers, why extv has any staff, and why any stream has any amount of viewers. Consuming the content that others make isn't doing nothing, it directly supports it.
He then shits on "high IM" players for not casting, failing to realize that the reason those players cant cast is because they are busy playing the game. Most nights IM teams cant even watch eXtv because they are playing in their own ESEA matchs at the same time. Now some times invite matches are later and an IM player could finish a match and cast the invite one. But that is only if their team stops playing TF2 after a match, many teams keep scriming. Luckily Cbear got it right when he pleaded for players that AREN'T playing but where top IM or low invite to cast with eXtv.
In order to contribute to the community you need to have a solid knowledge of the game, and an ability to write coherently, or the personality to be streamed on the internet. It doesn't surprise me that their are only a handful of people like that. I haven't even mentioned that fact that everyone plays tf2 on top of going to school / having a job / being social. To contribute you need the right ratio of those things to even have enough time left to create content let alone the skills needed.
All that being said DJC is a someone I like and he is right in saying that we need more creators, I just don't like the way he went about saying it.
I also just realized DJC was drunk... maybe that is why he didn't realize these things.
Shwan"none of you have done anything beside play it and whine of the forums"
I haven't listened to the whole thing but I don't understand why DJC thinks the community hasn't done shit even though they want tf2 comp to be successful. Was it not the community that payed sal back 14 grand for sending 2 teams to FUCKING EUROPE; And supported other teams in order to make it to the ESEA lan? Not to mention the fact that the community is the only reason djc has any readers, why extv has any staff, and why any stream has any amount of viewers. Consuming the content that others make isn't doing nothing, it directly supports it.
He then shits on "high IM" players for not casting, failing to realize that the reason those players cant cast is because they are busy playing the game. Most nights IM teams cant even watch eXtv because they are playing in their own ESEA matchs at the same time. Now some times invite matches are later and an IM player could finish a match and cast the invite one. But that is only if their team stops playing TF2 after a match, many teams keep scriming. Luckily Cbear got it right when he pleaded for players that AREN'T playing but where top IM or low invite to cast with eXtv.
In order to contribute to the community you need to have a solid knowledge of the game, and an ability to write coherently, or the personality to be streamed on the internet. It doesn't surprise me that their are only a handful of people like that. I haven't even mentioned that fact that everyone plays tf2 on top of going to school / having a job / being social. To contribute you need the right ratio of those things to even have enough time left to create content let alone the skills needed.
All that being said DJC is a someone I like and he is right in saying that we need more creators, I just don't like the way he went about saying it.
I also just realized DJC was drunk... maybe that is why he didn't realize these things.
He's talking about the people who cry about it and then dont do anything about growing the game. If you continue on he says that playing tf2 won't grow the game. Spreading news about the competitive side to tf2 and directing them to a pug would help.
When he shit talks on IM players, I honestly don't know how to respond to that. I believe he means that even open players or anyone who has knowledge of tf2 can stream and cast."As long as you can talk to a audience go cast!" Look at when seanbud and his group streamed to cast, it was just for fun. Doesn't really matter. I honestly think it would help new players if a low open player with good knowledge casts. I believe this because it would make new players understand the game easier. I am not sure if a caster would explain what is "uber dropped" or what the specific areas are in maps. That is just me.
All in all, people who complain about the game not growing and not doing much about it should stop complaining. Everyone has to take part in it. I dont remember correctly but just putting teamfortress.tv in your username can bring some people. But as people said before and as they said before the game is growing very very slowly.
[quote=Shwan]"none of you have done anything beside play it and whine of the forums"
[u]I haven't listened to the whole thing[/u] but I don't understand why DJC thinks the community hasn't done shit even though they want tf2 comp to be successful. Was it not the community that payed sal back 14 grand for sending 2 teams to FUCKING EUROPE; And supported other teams in order to make it to the ESEA lan? Not to mention the fact that the community is the only reason djc has any readers, why extv has any staff, and why any stream has any amount of viewers. Consuming the content that others make isn't doing nothing, it directly supports it.
He then shits on "high IM" players for not casting, failing to realize that the reason those players cant cast is because they are busy playing the game. Most nights IM teams cant even watch eXtv because they are playing in their own ESEA matchs at the same time. Now some times invite matches are later and an IM player could finish a match and cast the invite one. But that is only if their team stops playing TF2 after a match, many teams keep scriming. Luckily Cbear got it right when he pleaded for players that AREN'T playing but where top IM or low invite to cast with eXtv.
In order to contribute to the community you need to have a solid knowledge of the game, and an ability to write coherently, or the personality to be streamed on the internet. It doesn't surprise me that their are only a handful of people like that. I haven't even mentioned that fact that everyone plays tf2 on top of going to school / having a job / being social. To contribute you need the right ratio of those things to even have enough time left to create content let alone the skills needed.
All that being said DJC is a someone I like and he is right in saying that we need more creators, I just don't like the way he went about saying it.
I also just realized DJC was drunk... maybe that is why he didn't realize these things.[/quote]
He's talking about the people who cry about it and then dont do anything about growing the game. If you continue on he says that playing tf2 won't grow the game. Spreading news about the competitive side to tf2 and directing them to a pug would help.
When he shit talks on IM players, I honestly don't know how to respond to that. I believe he means that even open players or anyone who has knowledge of tf2 can stream and cast."As long as you can talk to a audience go cast!" Look at when seanbud and his group streamed to cast, it was just for fun. Doesn't really matter. I honestly think it would help new players if a low open player with good knowledge casts. I believe this because it would make new players understand the game easier. I am not sure if a caster would explain what is "uber dropped" or what the specific areas are in maps. That is just me.
All in all, people who complain about the game not growing and not doing much about it should stop complaining. Everyone has to take part in it. I dont remember correctly but just putting teamfortress.tv in your username can bring some people. But as people said before and as they said before the game is growing very very slowly.
[u]I haven't listened to the whole thing[/u] but I don't understand why DJC thinks the community hasn't done shit even though they want tf2 comp to be successful. Was it not the community that payed sal back 14 grand for sending 2 teams to FUCKING EUROPE; And supported other teams in order to make it to the ESEA lan? Not to mention the fact that the community is the only reason djc has any readers, why extv has any staff, and why any stream has any amount of viewers. Consuming the content that others make isn't doing nothing, it directly supports it.
He then shits on "high IM" players for not casting, failing to realize that the reason those players cant cast is because they are busy playing the game. Most nights IM teams cant even watch eXtv because they are playing in their own ESEA matchs at the same time. Now some times invite matches are later and an IM player could finish a match and cast the invite one. But that is only if their team stops playing TF2 after a match, many teams keep scriming. Luckily Cbear got it right when he pleaded for players that AREN'T playing but where top IM or low invite to cast with eXtv.
In order to contribute to the community you need to have a solid knowledge of the game, and an ability to write coherently, or the personality to be streamed on the internet. It doesn't surprise me that their are only a handful of people like that. I haven't even mentioned that fact that everyone plays tf2 on top of going to school / having a job / being social. To contribute you need the right ratio of those things to even have enough time left to create content let alone the skills needed.
All that being said DJC is a someone I like and he is right in saying that we need more creators, I just don't like the way he went about saying it.
I also just realized DJC was drunk... maybe that is why he didn't realize these things.[/quote]
He's talking about the people who cry about it and then dont do anything about growing the game. If you continue on he says that playing tf2 won't grow the game. Spreading news about the competitive side to tf2 and directing them to a pug would help.
When he shit talks on IM players, I honestly don't know how to respond to that. I believe he means that even open players or anyone who has knowledge of tf2 can stream and cast."As long as you can talk to a audience go cast!" Look at when seanbud and his group streamed to cast, it was just for fun. Doesn't really matter. I honestly think it would help new players if a low open player with good knowledge casts. I believe this because it would make new players understand the game easier. I am not sure if a caster would explain what is "uber dropped" or what the specific areas are in maps. That is just me.
All in all, people who complain about the game not growing and not doing much about it should stop complaining. Everyone has to take part in it. I dont remember correctly but just putting teamfortress.tv in your username can bring some people. But as people said before and as they said before the game is growing very very slowly.
Shwan"none of you have done anything beside play it and whine of the forums"
I haven't listened to the whole thing but I don't understand why DJC thinks the community hasn't done shit even though they want tf2 comp to be successful. Was it not the community that payed sal back 14 grand for sending 2 teams to FUCKING EUROPE; And supported other teams in order to make it to the ESEA lan? Not to mention the fact that the community is the only reason djc has any readers, why extv has any staff, and why any stream has any amount of viewers. Consuming the content that others make isn't doing nothing, it directly supports it.
He then shits on "high IM" players for not casting, failing to realize that the reason those players cant cast is because they are busy playing the game. Most nights IM teams cant even watch eXtv because they are playing in their own ESEA matchs at the same time. Now some times invite matches are later and an IM player could finish a match and cast the invite one. But that is only if their team stops playing TF2 after a match, many teams keep scriming. Luckily Cbear got it right when he pleaded for players that AREN'T playing but where top IM or low invite to cast with eXtv.
In order to contribute to the community you need to have a solid knowledge of the game, and an ability to write coherently, or the personality to be streamed on the internet. It doesn't surprise me that their are only a handful of people like that. I haven't even mentioned that fact that everyone plays tf2 on top of going to school / having a job / being social. To contribute you need the right ratio of those things to even have enough time left to create content let alone the skills needed.
All that being said DJC is a someone I like and he is right in saying that we need more creators, I just don't like the way he went about saying it.
I also just realized DJC was drunk... maybe that is why he didn't realize these things.
logic bombs
[quote=Shwan]"none of you have done anything beside play it and whine of the forums"
[u]I haven't listened to the whole thing[/u] but I don't understand why DJC thinks the community hasn't done shit even though they want tf2 comp to be successful. Was it not the community that payed sal back 14 grand for sending 2 teams to FUCKING EUROPE; And supported other teams in order to make it to the ESEA lan? Not to mention the fact that the community is the only reason djc has any readers, why extv has any staff, and why any stream has any amount of viewers. Consuming the content that others make isn't doing nothing, it directly supports it.
He then shits on "high IM" players for not casting, failing to realize that the reason those players cant cast is because they are busy playing the game. Most nights IM teams cant even watch eXtv because they are playing in their own ESEA matchs at the same time. Now some times invite matches are later and an IM player could finish a match and cast the invite one. But that is only if their team stops playing TF2 after a match, many teams keep scriming. Luckily Cbear got it right when he pleaded for players that AREN'T playing but where top IM or low invite to cast with eXtv.
In order to contribute to the community you need to have a solid knowledge of the game, and an ability to write coherently, or the personality to be streamed on the internet. It doesn't surprise me that their are only a handful of people like that. I haven't even mentioned that fact that everyone plays tf2 on top of going to school / having a job / being social. To contribute you need the right ratio of those things to even have enough time left to create content let alone the skills needed.
All that being said DJC is a someone I like and he is right in saying that we need more creators, I just don't like the way he went about saying it.
I also just realized DJC was drunk... maybe that is why he didn't realize these things.[/quote]
logic bombs
[u]I haven't listened to the whole thing[/u] but I don't understand why DJC thinks the community hasn't done shit even though they want tf2 comp to be successful. Was it not the community that payed sal back 14 grand for sending 2 teams to FUCKING EUROPE; And supported other teams in order to make it to the ESEA lan? Not to mention the fact that the community is the only reason djc has any readers, why extv has any staff, and why any stream has any amount of viewers. Consuming the content that others make isn't doing nothing, it directly supports it.
He then shits on "high IM" players for not casting, failing to realize that the reason those players cant cast is because they are busy playing the game. Most nights IM teams cant even watch eXtv because they are playing in their own ESEA matchs at the same time. Now some times invite matches are later and an IM player could finish a match and cast the invite one. But that is only if their team stops playing TF2 after a match, many teams keep scriming. Luckily Cbear got it right when he pleaded for players that AREN'T playing but where top IM or low invite to cast with eXtv.
In order to contribute to the community you need to have a solid knowledge of the game, and an ability to write coherently, or the personality to be streamed on the internet. It doesn't surprise me that their are only a handful of people like that. I haven't even mentioned that fact that everyone plays tf2 on top of going to school / having a job / being social. To contribute you need the right ratio of those things to even have enough time left to create content let alone the skills needed.
All that being said DJC is a someone I like and he is right in saying that we need more creators, I just don't like the way he went about saying it.
I also just realized DJC was drunk... maybe that is why he didn't realize these things.[/quote]
logic bombs
Shwan"none of you have done anything beside play it and whine of the forums"
I haven't listened to the whole thing but I don't understand why DJC thinks the community hasn't done shit even though they want tf2 comp to be successful. Was it not the community that payed sal back 14 grand for sending 2 teams to FUCKING EUROPE; And supported other teams in order to make it to the ESEA lan? Not to mention the fact that the community is the only reason djc has any readers, why extv has any staff, and why any stream has any amount of viewers. Consuming the content that others make isn't doing nothing, it directly supports it.
He then shits on "high IM" players for not casting, failing to realize that the reason those players cant cast is because they are busy playing the game. Most nights IM teams cant even watch eXtv because they are playing in their own ESEA matchs at the same time. Now some times invite matches are later and an IM player could finish a match and cast the invite one. But that is only if their team stops playing TF2 after a match, many teams keep scriming. Luckily Cbear got it right when he pleaded for players that AREN'T playing but where top IM or low invite to cast with eXtv.
In order to contribute to the community you need to have a solid knowledge of the game, and an ability to write coherently, or the personality to be streamed on the internet. It doesn't surprise me that their are only a handful of people like that. I haven't even mentioned that fact that everyone plays tf2 on top of going to school / having a job / being social. To contribute you need the right ratio of those things to even have enough time left to create content let alone the skills needed.
All that being said DJC is a someone I like and he is right in saying that we need more creators, I just don't like the way he went about saying it.
I also just realized DJC was drunk... maybe that is why he didn't realize these things.
Should also note that some players don't want to scrim before a match, play a match, and then go watch a match. I can't be the only player in the history of IM that finishes a match and then would rather go play dota.
[quote=Shwan]"none of you have done anything beside play it and whine of the forums"
[u]I haven't listened to the whole thing[/u] but I don't understand why DJC thinks the community hasn't done shit even though they want tf2 comp to be successful. Was it not the community that payed sal back 14 grand for sending 2 teams to FUCKING EUROPE; And supported other teams in order to make it to the ESEA lan? Not to mention the fact that the community is the only reason djc has any readers, why extv has any staff, and why any stream has any amount of viewers. Consuming the content that others make isn't doing nothing, it directly supports it.
He then shits on "high IM" players for not casting, failing to realize that the reason those players cant cast is because they are busy playing the game. Most nights IM teams cant even watch eXtv because they are playing in their own ESEA matchs at the same time. Now some times invite matches are later and an IM player could finish a match and cast the invite one. But that is only if their team stops playing TF2 after a match, many teams keep scriming. Luckily Cbear got it right when he pleaded for players that AREN'T playing but where top IM or low invite to cast with eXtv.
In order to contribute to the community you need to have a solid knowledge of the game, and an ability to write coherently, or the personality to be streamed on the internet. It doesn't surprise me that their are only a handful of people like that. I haven't even mentioned that fact that everyone plays tf2 on top of going to school / having a job / being social. To contribute you need the right ratio of those things to even have enough time left to create content let alone the skills needed.
All that being said DJC is a someone I like and he is right in saying that we need more creators, I just don't like the way he went about saying it.
I also just realized DJC was drunk... maybe that is why he didn't realize these things.[/quote]
Should also note that some players don't want to scrim before a match, play a match, and then go watch a match. I can't be the only player in the history of IM that finishes a match and then would rather go play dota.
[u]I haven't listened to the whole thing[/u] but I don't understand why DJC thinks the community hasn't done shit even though they want tf2 comp to be successful. Was it not the community that payed sal back 14 grand for sending 2 teams to FUCKING EUROPE; And supported other teams in order to make it to the ESEA lan? Not to mention the fact that the community is the only reason djc has any readers, why extv has any staff, and why any stream has any amount of viewers. Consuming the content that others make isn't doing nothing, it directly supports it.
He then shits on "high IM" players for not casting, failing to realize that the reason those players cant cast is because they are busy playing the game. Most nights IM teams cant even watch eXtv because they are playing in their own ESEA matchs at the same time. Now some times invite matches are later and an IM player could finish a match and cast the invite one. But that is only if their team stops playing TF2 after a match, many teams keep scriming. Luckily Cbear got it right when he pleaded for players that AREN'T playing but where top IM or low invite to cast with eXtv.
In order to contribute to the community you need to have a solid knowledge of the game, and an ability to write coherently, or the personality to be streamed on the internet. It doesn't surprise me that their are only a handful of people like that. I haven't even mentioned that fact that everyone plays tf2 on top of going to school / having a job / being social. To contribute you need the right ratio of those things to even have enough time left to create content let alone the skills needed.
All that being said DJC is a someone I like and he is right in saying that we need more creators, I just don't like the way he went about saying it.
I also just realized DJC was drunk... maybe that is why he didn't realize these things.[/quote]
Should also note that some players don't want to scrim before a match, play a match, and then go watch a match. I can't be the only player in the history of IM that finishes a match and then would rather go play dota.
Shwan. Those are still just excuses though. Sal isn't always online when the games happen. He picks up the STVs and casts from those. Then he uploads to his youtube account and bam! 5k views. Thats how every new sc2 caster began. And it takes the same amount of time as casting live. (you can do something else while the video uploads)
Shwan. Those are still just excuses though. Sal isn't always online when the games happen. He picks up the STVs and casts from those. Then he uploads to his youtube account and bam! 5k views. Thats how every new sc2 caster began. And it takes the same amount of time as casting live. (you can do something else while the video uploads)
Mostly it seems like what came out of DJC's ramblings last night has been positive.
Mostly it seems like what came out of DJC's ramblings last night has been positive.
SalamancerMostly it seems like what came out of DJC's ramblings last night has been positive.
Maybe it's just how I look at things at this point, but I think a lot of it is just bullshit and a lot of what djc says is completely unsubstantiated. I've gotten people into the game, brought people back from the dead to play it again, sent streams and STVs to people for pretty much the entire existence of ESEA TF2. Telling people "to just go cast" is just as stupid as saying "get smarter casters". The major casters that djc listed don't play this game 4-5 nights a week.
No one who has ever played this game did it for any reason other than for their own enjoyment. What I mean by this is no one has ever played this game in anything other than their free time. Since it's inception this game has been juggled with girl-friends (the few of them), work, life shit in general, friends, and family. If you have to dedicate an hour and a half four nights a week to remain anywhere above "total shit" in ESEA then dedicating another hour a night or another night in its entirety is going to put some serious strain on anyone.
Another thing that I'd like to touch upon is this notion that we need to be "more professional" if we want to grow the community. This is why you get people saying WE NEED A NICKNAMES RULE and WE CAN'T BE USING RACIST/SEXIST LANGUAGE while casting. This doesn't work with the idea of "everybody has to do their part if we want to see growth". Maybe this is knowledge that's just privy to me, but people in this community play the game for their enjoyment and don't really give a shit what other people particularly think about it. The things we enjoy and find funny aren't exactly family-friendly and anyone who says otherwise is fucking oblivious. "djc sexifies an i46 match" isn't exactly what you use to get people interested in this game. Everyone finds ggglygy hilarious (lu branden) but if you've ever actually talked to him it is readily apparent that he does not give a fuck about what he says or how he comes off to people. He did read gay fanfiction for us in mumble at one point (and many wish he would again).
In addition to the "what we find funny is far from acceptable to regular viewers" you also have to accept that this community is so steeped in its own history, circle-jerks, and inside jokes that it is difficult to enter before you even touch the game. During the international thread on natf2 someone was able to make a "you fell right into the hands of EG" joke and people could still understand it. That joke itself precedes NATF2 by years. TF.tv is a giant fucking homage to a back-alley website that we posted on for years with no regard for "what was growing the game".
As for my own defense, djc called that medic shit too. I told the medic he shouldn't play in pug.na if he doesn't know how to play the game at around an im level and didn't bother to give him shit after that except for when he did shit that I specifically told him not to do since I was supposed to be pocketing him. And aristotle had restricted a different med for the same shit literally the night before.
[quote=Salamancer]Mostly it seems like what came out of DJC's ramblings last night has been positive.[/quote]
Maybe it's just how I look at things at this point, but I think a lot of it is just bullshit and a lot of what djc says is completely unsubstantiated. I've gotten people into the game, brought people back from the dead to play it again, sent streams and STVs to people for pretty much the entire existence of ESEA TF2. Telling people "to just go cast" is just as stupid as saying "get smarter casters". The major casters that djc listed don't play this game 4-5 nights a week.
[b]No one who has ever played this game did it for any reason other than for their own enjoyment[/b]. What I mean by this is no one has ever played this game in anything other than their free time. Since it's inception this game has been juggled with girl-friends (the few of them), work, life shit in general, friends, and family. If you have to dedicate an hour and a half four nights a week to remain anywhere above "total shit" in ESEA then dedicating another hour a night or another night in its entirety is going to put some serious strain on anyone.
Another thing that I'd like to touch upon is this notion that we need to be "more professional" if we want to grow the community. This is why you get people saying WE NEED A NICKNAMES RULE and WE CAN'T BE USING RACIST/SEXIST LANGUAGE while casting. This doesn't work with the idea of "everybody has to do their part if we want to see growth". Maybe this is knowledge that's just privy to me, but people in this community play the game for their enjoyment and don't really give a shit what other people particularly think about it. The things we enjoy and find funny aren't exactly family-friendly and anyone who says otherwise is fucking oblivious. "djc sexifies an i46 match" isn't exactly what you use to get people interested in this game. Everyone finds ggglygy hilarious (lu branden) but if you've ever actually talked to him it is readily apparent that he does not give a fuck about what he says or how he comes off to people. He did read gay fanfiction for us in mumble at one point (and many wish he would again).
In addition to the "what we find funny is far from acceptable to regular viewers" you also have to accept that this community is so steeped in its own history, circle-jerks, and inside jokes that it is difficult to enter before you even touch the game. During the international thread on natf2 someone was able to make a "you fell right into the hands of EG" joke and people could still understand it. That joke itself precedes NATF2 by [i]years[/i]. TF.tv is a giant fucking homage to a back-alley website that we posted on for years with no regard for "what was growing the game".
As for my own defense, djc called that medic shit too. I told the medic he shouldn't play in pug.na if he doesn't know how to play the game at around an im level and didn't bother to give him shit after that except for when he did shit that I specifically told him not to do since I was supposed to be pocketing him. And aristotle had restricted a different med for the same shit literally the night before.
Maybe it's just how I look at things at this point, but I think a lot of it is just bullshit and a lot of what djc says is completely unsubstantiated. I've gotten people into the game, brought people back from the dead to play it again, sent streams and STVs to people for pretty much the entire existence of ESEA TF2. Telling people "to just go cast" is just as stupid as saying "get smarter casters". The major casters that djc listed don't play this game 4-5 nights a week.
[b]No one who has ever played this game did it for any reason other than for their own enjoyment[/b]. What I mean by this is no one has ever played this game in anything other than their free time. Since it's inception this game has been juggled with girl-friends (the few of them), work, life shit in general, friends, and family. If you have to dedicate an hour and a half four nights a week to remain anywhere above "total shit" in ESEA then dedicating another hour a night or another night in its entirety is going to put some serious strain on anyone.
Another thing that I'd like to touch upon is this notion that we need to be "more professional" if we want to grow the community. This is why you get people saying WE NEED A NICKNAMES RULE and WE CAN'T BE USING RACIST/SEXIST LANGUAGE while casting. This doesn't work with the idea of "everybody has to do their part if we want to see growth". Maybe this is knowledge that's just privy to me, but people in this community play the game for their enjoyment and don't really give a shit what other people particularly think about it. The things we enjoy and find funny aren't exactly family-friendly and anyone who says otherwise is fucking oblivious. "djc sexifies an i46 match" isn't exactly what you use to get people interested in this game. Everyone finds ggglygy hilarious (lu branden) but if you've ever actually talked to him it is readily apparent that he does not give a fuck about what he says or how he comes off to people. He did read gay fanfiction for us in mumble at one point (and many wish he would again).
In addition to the "what we find funny is far from acceptable to regular viewers" you also have to accept that this community is so steeped in its own history, circle-jerks, and inside jokes that it is difficult to enter before you even touch the game. During the international thread on natf2 someone was able to make a "you fell right into the hands of EG" joke and people could still understand it. That joke itself precedes NATF2 by [i]years[/i]. TF.tv is a giant fucking homage to a back-alley website that we posted on for years with no regard for "what was growing the game".
As for my own defense, djc called that medic shit too. I told the medic he shouldn't play in pug.na if he doesn't know how to play the game at around an im level and didn't bother to give him shit after that except for when he did shit that I specifically told him not to do since I was supposed to be pocketing him. And aristotle had restricted a different med for the same shit literally the night before.
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