obviously ghost wtf lol

at first, I thought ghosting would be the no brainer choice, but playing against a perma-spy would really drive me up the wall crazy, so idk. I think the spy would tilt me and some other players, but ghosting is objectively better imo.

spy has a gun and does damage, and gives the same amount of information with cloak and dagger during stalemates.
the other team has to always constantly check their backs and i think that would get very mentally taxing over the course of a game. there is also the threat of during any fight or push the spy can get on someone while they're fighting, even just revolvering at someone can do 100 damage from mid range, and its not particularly hard to hit.

ghosting you no longer have to keep track of uber at all and know when they're spawning and all their offclasses at all times, and you can essentially never get flanked again as you know their positions at all times. also makes the other teams spy completely useless, so running the spectator would force the other team to run spec as well. however if the person ghosting isn't taking it seriously/being very attentive i think they would get bored and stop actually being useful. for the vast majority of players i think they would be very bad at this due to not being able to stay engaged during something so boring.

i think if both teams get to have a pick, the spectator is better, but if one team gets to have a spy and the other team doesn't get a spy or spectator, then i think spy is better

this is the most retarded thing i've ever put any thought into

i asked reddit something similar with regards to a perma-spy as a 7th class
https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/481ldk/so_guys_i_have_a_thought_why_not_have_a_new/

"So you guys must know Extine he makes really cool new competitive modes because people need new competitive so I have an idea why not use 7 people on each team? So its like 6 but 1m ore so its kind of like 9v9 which is HL but 7v7 so 7lander??

ok so in 7 lander what u do is u have 6's like 6's class then u have perma spy and the perma spy uses BACKSTAB technique to stop push and to make push happen i think its GENUIS and makes spy a very good class

how do u all plead??

EDIT: Guys im refreshing this page alot becasue im afraid u all dont understand and i want to help u explain because im a competiteve teacher so let me teach u what i mean :-)

EDIT 2: wow I now know why my Teacher Gets so Frustrate siometime now that i can See how little u guys GET IT>>??? but Im gona be more patent like my teacher and Make sure u all know Why 7v7 with Spy Permamain will work.. And You will all make sure Steam knows it and it will be great !! I cant wait this is gonna be really exciting guys"

got a lot of great responses, especially from thesteam

every single one of your posts in r/tf2 or r/truetf2 are perfect reads

also with the ghost you can never ever have someone flank or sneak up on your team which would be great. you would also never get backcapped, if the other team knows you have a full-time spy then they will basically never get killed, of course the spy can maybe revolver but i don't think it'd be good enough to be better than ghosting the other team

having another player is better. like what the fuck really guys? it's not like the revolver doesn't do damage

if you're good you should know where the other team is generally anyway

plus a spy can ghost for you lol

agree with kawa. having a ghoster is a crutch good teams don't need 95 percent of the time. meanwhile a spy changes how the other team plays

cloak and dagger spy who hangs out next to their medic and decloaks for a couple revolver shots every time the med takes a spam rocket?

cmon

In a team fight, a spy who can run in at any moment for a backstab and also put out a random 100 damage onto anyone would be a great asset, and during stalemates, the spy can just sit with the cloak and dagger and call out uber percentages, offclasses, and flanks to an extent.

Ultimately they provide very similar information, except the spy provides a tangible increase in fighting power.

yeah 100% spy what are you mongos talking about wanting someone in spec

plus it'd be fun as hell to be your teams spy player i'd main that immediately

stop giving ideas to sigafoo

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