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Most overrated prem/invite players of all time.
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HOT TAKE. I don’t understand how someone can say grape is the best soldier of all time, great player, but not the best ever. Not even top 3 imo. MGE MIKE. Seagull. TLR. All better
HOT TAKE. I don’t understand how someone can say grape is the best soldier of all time, great player, but not the best ever. Not even top 3 imo. MGE MIKE. Seagull. TLR. All better
Blaze
Very good and VERY consistent, but IMO his highs are still lower then the highs of some of the other roamers like seagull
Blaze
Very good and VERY consistent, but IMO his highs are still lower then the highs of some of the other roamers like seagull
Very good and VERY consistent, but IMO his highs are still lower then the highs of some of the other roamers like seagull
Sentinelb4nny
i52 b4nny is the best lan pocket performance of all time, arguing with this truly makes me believe u just hate banny
[quote=Sentinel]b4nny[/quote]
i52 b4nny is the best lan pocket performance of all time, arguing with this truly makes me believe u just hate banny
i52 b4nny is the best lan pocket performance of all time, arguing with this truly makes me believe u just hate banny
tojo meant to say i55. b4nny played scout at i52
edit: @pablo only misinformed players who only watched the rocket science videos (aka me like 3-4 years ago) would call grape the best soldier of all time idk what you’re trying to get at
tojo meant to say i55. b4nny played scout at i52
edit: @pablo only misinformed players who only watched the rocket science videos (aka me like 3-4 years ago) would call grape the best soldier of all time idk what you’re trying to get at
edit: @pablo only misinformed players who only watched the rocket science videos (aka me like 3-4 years ago) would call grape the best soldier of all time idk what you’re trying to get at
what is there left for banny to do to prove he's not overrated lol
what is there left for banny to do to prove he's not overrated lol
Tino_Blaze
Very good and VERY consistent, but IMO his highs are still lower then the highs of some of the other roamers like seagull
ive never seen a player play for the team as much as blaze
if anything hes slightly underrated
[quote=Tino_]Blaze
Very good and VERY consistent, but IMO his highs are still lower then the highs of some of the other roamers like seagull[/quote]
ive never seen a player play for the team as much as blaze
if anything hes slightly underrated
Very good and VERY consistent, but IMO his highs are still lower then the highs of some of the other roamers like seagull[/quote]
ive never seen a player play for the team as much as blaze
if anything hes slightly underrated
yightif anything hes slightly underrated
Maybe, I just see lots of people say blaze is the best roamer ever and I am not sure if thats right.
[quote=yight]
if anything hes slightly underrated[/quote]
Maybe, I just see lots of people say blaze is the best roamer ever and I am not sure if thats right.
if anything hes slightly underrated[/quote]
Maybe, I just see lots of people say blaze is the best roamer ever and I am not sure if thats right.
tojoSentinelb4nnyi52 b4nny is the best lan pocket performance of all time, arguing with this truly makes me believe u just hate banny
I Have Failed My Attempt At Memeing I Do Not Deserve My Nerd Stars
[quote=tojo][quote=Sentinel]b4nny[/quote]
i52 b4nny is the best lan pocket performance of all time, arguing with this truly makes me believe u just hate banny[/quote]
I Have Failed My Attempt At Memeing I Do Not Deserve My Nerd Stars
i52 b4nny is the best lan pocket performance of all time, arguing with this truly makes me believe u just hate banny[/quote]
I Have Failed My Attempt At Memeing I Do Not Deserve My Nerd Stars
if you have not won an international lan you are overrated and not relevant
if you have not won an international lan you are overrated and not relevant
Tino_yightif anything hes slightly underrated
Maybe, I just see lots of people say blaze is the best roamer ever and I am not sure if thats right.
Coming from a roamer main like myself I've watched a lot of Blaze's povs and what he does is be very consistent, all the time. He'll easily get 30+ frags a game but you probably won't remember most of them. It's hard to really say if he's the best roamer or not because you have almost the complete opposite playstyle of roamers, such as seagull, that would go nuts and just outright carry games and go for crazy plays. It really depends if you think a rock solid roamer that'll always do his job and not feed is better than the one that may lose your team an advantage sometimes by feeding but might also makeup for it by being insane.
Edit: you know if any racing nerds are reading my post a good comparison is Colin Mcrae compared to someone like Sebastien Loeb in rally racing. Mcrae would go into every single rally 100% giving all he has into it, but sometimes he'd end up crashing his car so he couldn't complete an event. Loeb on the other hand drives carefully and is a lot more passive, so while he may not be the "best" rally driver, since he's so consistent and keeps his car alive in rally events he is one of the best in his own category and goes far into events because obviously he isn't crashing his car getting himself dq'd from events.
[quote=Tino_][quote=yight]
if anything hes slightly underrated[/quote]
Maybe, I just see lots of people say blaze is the best roamer ever and I am not sure if thats right.[/quote]
Coming from a roamer main like myself I've watched a lot of Blaze's povs and what he does is be very consistent, all the time. He'll easily get 30+ frags a game but you probably won't remember most of them. It's hard to really say if he's the best roamer or not because you have almost the complete opposite playstyle of roamers, such as seagull, that would go nuts and just outright carry games and go for crazy plays. It really depends if you think a rock solid roamer that'll always do his job and not feed is better than the one that may lose your team an advantage sometimes by feeding but might also makeup for it by being insane.
Edit: you know if any racing nerds are reading my post a good comparison is Colin Mcrae compared to someone like Sebastien Loeb in rally racing. Mcrae would go into every single rally 100% giving all he has into it, but sometimes he'd end up crashing his car so he couldn't complete an event. Loeb on the other hand drives carefully and is a lot more passive, so while he may not be the "best" rally driver, since he's so consistent and keeps his car alive in rally events he is one of the best in his own category and goes far into events because obviously he isn't crashing his car getting himself dq'd from events.
if anything hes slightly underrated[/quote]
Maybe, I just see lots of people say blaze is the best roamer ever and I am not sure if thats right.[/quote]
Coming from a roamer main like myself I've watched a lot of Blaze's povs and what he does is be very consistent, all the time. He'll easily get 30+ frags a game but you probably won't remember most of them. It's hard to really say if he's the best roamer or not because you have almost the complete opposite playstyle of roamers, such as seagull, that would go nuts and just outright carry games and go for crazy plays. It really depends if you think a rock solid roamer that'll always do his job and not feed is better than the one that may lose your team an advantage sometimes by feeding but might also makeup for it by being insane.
Edit: you know if any racing nerds are reading my post a good comparison is Colin Mcrae compared to someone like Sebastien Loeb in rally racing. Mcrae would go into every single rally 100% giving all he has into it, but sometimes he'd end up crashing his car so he couldn't complete an event. Loeb on the other hand drives carefully and is a lot more passive, so while he may not be the "best" rally driver, since he's so consistent and keeps his car alive in rally events he is one of the best in his own category and goes far into events because obviously he isn't crashing his car getting himself dq'd from events.
smziif you have not won an international lan you are overrated and not relevant
how do people get baited by that to downfrag you
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assuming you refer to the b4nny v thalash saga with that
[quote=smzi]if you have not won an international lan you are overrated and not relevant[/quote]
how do people get baited by that to downfrag you
[spoiler]assuming you refer to the b4nny v thalash saga with that[/spoiler]
how do people get baited by that to downfrag you
[spoiler]assuming you refer to the b4nny v thalash saga with that[/spoiler]
glitturewhat is there left for banny to do to prove he's not overrated lol
win the next 27 seasons, create some matchmaking platform and maybe take on the role of community ambassador to valve
[quote=glitture]what is there left for banny to do to prove he's not overrated lol[/quote]
win the next 27 seasons, create some matchmaking platform and maybe take on the role of community ambassador to valve
win the next 27 seasons, create some matchmaking platform and maybe take on the role of community ambassador to valve
bryceglitturewhat is there left for banny to do to prove he's not overrated lolwin the next 27 seasons, create some matchmaking platform and maybe take on the role of community ambassador to valve
hasnt he done this already
[quote=bryce][quote=glitture]what is there left for banny to do to prove he's not overrated lol[/quote]
win the next 27 seasons, create some matchmaking platform and maybe take on the role of community ambassador to valve[/quote]
hasnt he done this already
win the next 27 seasons, create some matchmaking platform and maybe take on the role of community ambassador to valve[/quote]
hasnt he done this already
Wandumbrycehasnt he done this alreadyglitturewhat is there left for banny to do to prove he's not overrated lolwin the next 27 seasons, create some matchmaking platform and maybe take on the role of community ambassador to valve
alright now u guys are just being dumb on purpose
[quote=Wandum][quote=bryce][quote=glitture]what is there left for banny to do to prove he's not overrated lol[/quote]
win the next 27 seasons, create some matchmaking platform and maybe take on the role of community ambassador to valve[/quote]
hasnt he done this already[/quote]
alright now u guys are just being dumb on purpose
win the next 27 seasons, create some matchmaking platform and maybe take on the role of community ambassador to valve[/quote]
hasnt he done this already[/quote]
alright now u guys are just being dumb on purpose
Gritomawould i be wrong in saying that lansky was slightly overrated? sure he played well and was an overall cool player to watch but i eventually lost track of the amount of times he shot traps into himself or his teammates:
https://youtu.be/HbXHoPgK5d8?t=3m14s
or just kinda beefed overall:
https://youtu.be/53qIPPi1Vo0?t=3m11s
You can't judge a player by times they beefed or w/e, like afaik him shooting traps into himself was a once in a blue moon thing. The way he played the game was team oriented and just made the right plays, the smart consistent plays that have the best chance of succeeding
[quote=Gritoma]would i be wrong in saying that lansky was slightly overrated? sure he played well and was an overall cool player to watch but i eventually lost track of the amount of times he shot traps into himself or his teammates:
https://youtu.be/HbXHoPgK5d8?t=3m14s
or just kinda beefed overall:
https://youtu.be/53qIPPi1Vo0?t=3m11s[/quote]
You can't judge a player by times they beefed or w/e, like afaik him shooting traps into himself was a once in a blue moon thing. The way he played the game was team oriented and just made the right plays, the smart consistent plays that have the best chance of succeeding
https://youtu.be/HbXHoPgK5d8?t=3m14s
or just kinda beefed overall:
https://youtu.be/53qIPPi1Vo0?t=3m11s[/quote]
You can't judge a player by times they beefed or w/e, like afaik him shooting traps into himself was a once in a blue moon thing. The way he played the game was team oriented and just made the right plays, the smart consistent plays that have the best chance of succeeding
catbowcar. what the fuck is that circlejerk on about
catbowcar. what the fuck is that circlejerk on about
wasn’t lansky in the underated players thread also lmfao
wasn’t lansky in the underated players thread also lmfao
I feel like most of the big name players who are retired are somewhat overrated. There's a big difference between being a great player in season 6 and being a great player now, since the bar has been set much higher. Look at stuff like the classic Reptile frag vid, or Carnage's old videos, and compare that to your average open or IM player now. Things that used to be considered excellence are now considered average play.
That's not to say that the old players were bad, they certainly were great for their time, but it's kinda dumb when people say that those players would still be at the top of invite if they came back.
I feel like most of the big name players who are retired are somewhat overrated. There's a big difference between being a great player in season 6 and being a great player now, since the bar has been set much higher. Look at stuff like the classic Reptile frag vid, or Carnage's old videos, and compare that to your average open or IM player now. Things that used to be considered excellence are now considered average play.
That's not to say that the old players were bad, they certainly were great for their time, but it's kinda dumb when people say that those players would still be at the top of invite if they came back.
That's not to say that the old players were bad, they certainly were great for their time, but it's kinda dumb when people say that those players would still be at the top of invite if they came back.
AntimoonI feel like most of the big name players who are retired are somewhat overrated. There's a big difference between being a great player in season 6 and being a great player now, since the bar has been set much higher. Look at stuff like the classic Reptile frag vid, or Carnage's old videos, and compare that to your average open or IM player now. Things that used to be considered excellence are now considered average play.
That's not to say that the old players were bad, they certainly were great for their time, but it's kinda dumb when people say that those players would still be at the top of invite if they came back.
Mate have you seen prem/invite lineups nowadays, players back then had like 4 insane top teams in their divison with star studded rosters that they had to face and perform against, nowadays like samski is a top player.
Just because the meta has changed doesn't mean they are overrated?
[quote=Antimoon]I feel like most of the big name players who are retired are somewhat overrated. There's a big difference between being a great player in season 6 and being a great player now, since the bar has been set much higher. Look at stuff like the classic Reptile frag vid, or Carnage's old videos, and compare that to your average open or IM player now. Things that used to be considered excellence are now considered average play.
That's not to say that the old players were bad, they certainly were great for their time, but it's kinda dumb when people say that those players would still be at the top of invite if they came back.[/quote]
Mate have you seen prem/invite lineups nowadays, players back then had like 4 insane top teams in their divison with star studded rosters that they had to face and perform against, nowadays like samski is a top player.
Just because the meta has changed doesn't mean they are overrated?
That's not to say that the old players were bad, they certainly were great for their time, but it's kinda dumb when people say that those players would still be at the top of invite if they came back.[/quote]
Mate have you seen prem/invite lineups nowadays, players back then had like 4 insane top teams in their divison with star studded rosters that they had to face and perform against, nowadays like samski is a top player.
Just because the meta has changed doesn't mean they are overrated?
sorry goldfish you're a chill dude but man those ubers
sorry goldfish you're a chill dude but man those ubers
DollyAntimoonI feel like most of the big name players who are retired are somewhat overrated. There's a big difference between being a great player in season 6 and being a great player now, since the bar has been set much higher. Look at stuff like the classic Reptile frag vid, or Carnage's old videos, and compare that to your average open or IM player now. Things that used to be considered excellence are now considered average play.
That's not to say that the old players were bad, they certainly were great for their time, but it's kinda dumb when people say that those players would still be at the top of invite if they came back.
Mate have you seen prem/invite lineups nowadays, players back then had like 4 insane top teams in their divison with star studded rosters that they had to face and perform against, nowadays like catbowcar is a top player.
Just because the meta has changed doesn't mean it was easier to play back then lol?
I know this isn't what the thread is about but if you truly believe that players back in season 10 could compete mechanically with invite players today you're extremely delusional. You say that every team had a "star-studded roster" but when no one is good everyone looks good.
Even if you're gonna debate about how good players could have been on current machines/computers they didn't really have high refresh rate monitors and had worse mice.
In general the game was slower back then and with the way the game is played now, a lot of the old school teams would get blown over by aggression. The game literally was easier to play back then.
[quote=Dolly][quote=Antimoon]I feel like most of the big name players who are retired are somewhat overrated. There's a big difference between being a great player in season 6 and being a great player now, since the bar has been set much higher. Look at stuff like the classic Reptile frag vid, or Carnage's old videos, and compare that to your average open or IM player now. Things that used to be considered excellence are now considered average play.
That's not to say that the old players were bad, they certainly were great for their time, but it's kinda dumb when people say that those players would still be at the top of invite if they came back.[/quote]
Mate have you seen prem/invite lineups nowadays, players back then had like 4 insane top teams in their divison with star studded rosters that they had to face and perform against, nowadays like catbowcar is a top player.
Just because the meta has changed doesn't mean it was easier to play back then lol?[/quote]
I know this isn't what the thread is about but if you truly believe that players back in season 10 could compete mechanically with invite players today you're extremely delusional. You say that every team had a "star-studded roster" but when no one is good everyone looks good.
Even if you're gonna debate about how good players could have been on current machines/computers they didn't really have high refresh rate monitors and had worse mice.
In general the game was slower back then and with the way the game is played now, a lot of the old school teams would get blown over by aggression. The game literally was easier to play back then.
That's not to say that the old players were bad, they certainly were great for their time, but it's kinda dumb when people say that those players would still be at the top of invite if they came back.[/quote]
Mate have you seen prem/invite lineups nowadays, players back then had like 4 insane top teams in their divison with star studded rosters that they had to face and perform against, nowadays like catbowcar is a top player.
Just because the meta has changed doesn't mean it was easier to play back then lol?[/quote]
I know this isn't what the thread is about but if you truly believe that players back in season 10 could compete mechanically with invite players today you're extremely delusional. You say that every team had a "star-studded roster" but when no one is good everyone looks good.
Even if you're gonna debate about how good players could have been on current machines/computers they didn't really have high refresh rate monitors and had worse mice.
In general the game was slower back then and with the way the game is played now, a lot of the old school teams would get blown over by aggression. The game literally was easier to play back then.
Pete
I know this isn't what the thread is about but if you truly believe that players back in season 10 could compete mechanically with invite players today you're extremely delusional. You say that every team had a "star-studded roster" but when no one is good everyone looks good.
Even if you're gonna debate about how good players could have been on current machines/computers they didn't really have high refresh rate monitors and had worse mice.
In general the game was slower back then and with the way the game is played now, a lot of the old school teams would get blown over by aggression. The game literally was easier to play back then.
I feel like your view is formed by the fact you are probably more akin to watching the new era of players, you've seen more the streams and the highlight clips, there's more international lans for showcasing talent so older players who didn't have those don't seem as good. If you think that like TCM would get rolled by svift you're delusional
[quote=Pete]
I know this isn't what the thread is about but if you truly believe that players back in season 10 could compete mechanically with invite players today you're extremely delusional. You say that every team had a "star-studded roster" but when no one is good everyone looks good.
Even if you're gonna debate about how good players could have been on current machines/computers they didn't really have high refresh rate monitors and had worse mice.
In general the game was slower back then and with the way the game is played now, a lot of the old school teams would get blown over by aggression. The game literally was easier to play back then.[/quote]
I feel like your view is formed by the fact you are probably more akin to watching the new era of players, you've seen more the streams and the highlight clips, there's more international lans for showcasing talent so older players who didn't have those don't seem as good. If you think that like TCM would get rolled by svift you're delusional
I know this isn't what the thread is about but if you truly believe that players back in season 10 could compete mechanically with invite players today you're extremely delusional. You say that every team had a "star-studded roster" but when no one is good everyone looks good.
Even if you're gonna debate about how good players could have been on current machines/computers they didn't really have high refresh rate monitors and had worse mice.
In general the game was slower back then and with the way the game is played now, a lot of the old school teams would get blown over by aggression. The game literally was easier to play back then.[/quote]
I feel like your view is formed by the fact you are probably more akin to watching the new era of players, you've seen more the streams and the highlight clips, there's more international lans for showcasing talent so older players who didn't have those don't seem as good. If you think that like TCM would get rolled by svift you're delusional
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