FuxxFinnigani love when people are so obsessed with their hobby that they go feral whenever any other game gets something cool
just cause it doesnt fit your completely unbiased opinion of the "perfect esport" means its dumb that a dev team clearly cares immensely about their product and wants to support it as much as possible
I'm sure that the Coca Cola marketing team put a lot of care and support into the company's logo too.
bro ur literally talking about getting jealous over a video game lmao
[quote=Fuxx][quote=Finnigan]i love when people are so obsessed with their hobby that they go feral whenever any other game gets something cool
just cause it doesnt fit your completely unbiased opinion of the "perfect esport" means its dumb that a dev team clearly cares immensely about their product and wants to support it as much as possible[/quote]
I'm sure that the Coca Cola marketing team put a lot of care and support into the company's logo too.[/quote]
bro ur literally talking about getting jealous over a video game lmao
Finnigani love when people are so obsessed with their hobby that they go feral whenever any other game gets something cool
just cause it doesnt fit your completely unbiased opinion of the "perfect esport" means its dumb that a dev team clearly cares immensely about their product and wants to support it as much as possible
I'm not mad that they got something cool. I'm mad that Valve has done NOTHING for us.
[quote=Finnigan]i love when people are so obsessed with their hobby that they go feral whenever any other game gets something cool
just cause it doesnt fit your completely unbiased opinion of the "perfect esport" means its dumb that a dev team clearly cares immensely about their product and wants to support it as much as possible[/quote]
I'm not mad that they got something cool. I'm mad that Valve has done NOTHING for us.
Finnigani love when people are so obsessed with their hobby that they go feral whenever any other game gets something cool
just cause it doesnt fit your completely unbiased opinion of the "perfect esport" means its dumb that a dev team clearly cares immensely about their product and wants to support it as much as possible
It's not that fortnite isn't "my kind of game", and it's very well designed for what it's trying to be, but it's just that it's intentionally designed as a non-esport.
The battle royale format is great for casual play and for streamers, where dying just means queuing up again. But even just from the spectator pov, it's an impossible task to cast 100 players fighting at the same time (the best you could reasonably do is get a cheat feed to go to the most interesting play at a given time) and makes it impossible to cheer for anyone in particular because odds are you'll see them once or twice and then they die offstream. You pretty much have to watch one player's stream, or watch highlights after the fact--neither is really all that good for spectators.
I want esports to grow, no doubt about it. But I'm worried about the trend of bolstering up a completely artificial competitive scene (solely for marketing reasons) with huge sums of money instead of actually making design decisions oriented towards tournament play. The videogame industry has had to deal with 'initially good idea gets used and abused until it's worse off for everyone' plenty of times (videogame crash of 1983, early access, dlc in many cases, lootboxes currently, arguably mobile games) and I don't want to see esports becoming the next example.
[quote=Finnigan]i love when people are so obsessed with their hobby that they go feral whenever any other game gets something cool
just cause it doesnt fit your completely unbiased opinion of the "perfect esport" means its dumb that a dev team clearly cares immensely about their product and wants to support it as much as possible[/quote]
It's not that fortnite isn't "my kind of game", and it's very well designed for what it's trying to be, but it's just that it's intentionally designed as a non-esport.
The battle royale format is great for casual play and for streamers, where dying just means queuing up again. But even just from the spectator pov, it's an impossible task to cast 100 players fighting at the same time (the best you could reasonably do is get a cheat feed to go to the most interesting play at a given time) and makes it impossible to cheer for anyone in particular because odds are you'll see them once or twice and then they die offstream. You pretty much have to watch one player's stream, or watch highlights after the fact--neither is really all that good for spectators.
I want esports to grow, no doubt about it. But I'm worried about the trend of bolstering up a completely artificial competitive scene (solely for marketing reasons) with huge sums of money instead of actually making design decisions oriented towards tournament play. The videogame industry has had to deal with 'initially good idea gets used and abused until it's worse off for everyone' plenty of times (videogame crash of 1983, early access, dlc in many cases, lootboxes currently, arguably mobile games) and I don't want to see esports becoming the next example.
the big takeaway from this is how out of touch valve is. they are sitting on 2 massive esports and have the potential to develop a 3rd with tf2 but they refuse to. even csgo gets the cold shoulder from valve compared to dota 2. its sad... valve also has the ability to provide 100+ mil for prizes and massively stimulate growth in return which would grant them far more than their investment. they simply do not do enough for their games after release.
the big takeaway from this is how out of touch valve is. they are sitting on 2 massive esports and have the potential to develop a 3rd with tf2 but they refuse to. even csgo gets the cold shoulder from valve compared to dota 2. its sad... valve also has the ability to provide 100+ mil for prizes and massively stimulate growth in return which would grant them far more than their investment. they simply do not do enough for their games after release.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/m3kiwH0.jpg[/img]
-protothe big takeaway from this is how out of touch valve is. they are sitting on 2 massive esports and have the potential to develop a 3rd with tf2 but they refuse to. even csgo gets the cold shoulder from valve compared to dota 2. its sad... valve also has the ability to provide 100+ mil for prizes and massively stimulate growth in return which would grant them far more than their investment. they simply do not do enough for their games after release.
they'vey got 2 major esports that have been around for a while and probably will be around for a while. when this money runs out no-one will be playing fortnite as an esport. any idiot can pump money into a game and make it an "esport", it takes something more to make a game that turns itself into an esport that people both want to play and watch, and so provides sponsors and a return
if they dumped 100 mil into just any old game they'd NEVER see that money back. fortnite is kinda an exception since the game's massive so has a big audience already, and they can likely afford to lose the money should the game not really bring investment
[quote=-proto]the big takeaway from this is how out of touch valve is. they are sitting on 2 massive esports and have the potential to develop a 3rd with tf2 but they refuse to. even csgo gets the cold shoulder from valve compared to dota 2. its sad... valve also has the ability to provide 100+ mil for prizes and massively stimulate growth in return which would grant them far more than their investment. they simply do not do enough for their games after release.[/quote]
they'vey got 2 major esports that have been around for a while and probably will be around for a while. when this money runs out no-one will be playing fortnite as an esport. any idiot can pump money into a game and make it an "esport", it takes something more to make a game that turns itself into an esport that people both want to play and watch, and so provides sponsors and a return
if they dumped 100 mil into just any old game they'd NEVER see that money back. fortnite is kinda an exception since the game's massive so has a big audience already, and they can likely afford to lose the money should the game not really bring investment
gemm-protothe big takeaway from this is how out of touch valve is. they are sitting on 2 massive esports and have the potential to develop a 3rd with tf2 but they refuse to. even csgo gets the cold shoulder from valve compared to dota 2. its sad... valve also has the ability to provide 100+ mil for prizes and massively stimulate growth in return which would grant them far more than their investment. they simply do not do enough for their games after release.
they'vey got 2 major esports that have been around for a while and probably will be around for a while. when this money runs out no-one will be playing fortnite as an esport. any idiot can pump money into a game and make it an "esport", it takes something more to make a game that turns itself into an esport that people both want to play and watch, and so provides sponsors and a return
if they dumped 100 mil into just any old game they'd NEVER see that money back. fortnite is kinda an exception since the game's massive so has a big audience already, and they can likely afford to lose the money should the game not really bring investment
"when this money runs out"
100m in one year should not be a sign that their money is going to run out any time soon.
[quote=gemm][quote=-proto]the big takeaway from this is how out of touch valve is. they are sitting on 2 massive esports and have the potential to develop a 3rd with tf2 but they refuse to. even csgo gets the cold shoulder from valve compared to dota 2. its sad... valve also has the ability to provide 100+ mil for prizes and massively stimulate growth in return which would grant them far more than their investment. they simply do not do enough for their games after release.[/quote]
they'vey got 2 major esports that have been around for a while and probably will be around for a while. when this money runs out no-one will be playing fortnite as an esport. any idiot can pump money into a game and make it an "esport", it takes something more to make a game that turns itself into an esport that people both want to play and watch, and so provides sponsors and a return
if they dumped 100 mil into just any old game they'd NEVER see that money back. fortnite is kinda an exception since the game's massive so has a big audience already, and they can likely afford to lose the money should the game not really bring investment[/quote]
"when this money runs out"
100m in one year should not be a sign that their money is going to run out any time soon.
4hpbut building shouldn't be a factor during a fight.
Legit the main part of the game is to use building to win fights
other wise the mechanical skill gap will be very low.
[quote=4hp]
but building shouldn't be a factor [i]during[/i] a fight.
[/quote]
Legit the main part of the game is to use building to win fights
other wise the mechanical skill gap will be very low.
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gemm when this money runs out no-one will be playing fortnite as an esport.
Your acting like no one enjoys playing/watching this game.
Even with keemstars $5000 tournament around 600k people were watching fortnite on twitch
[quote=gemm] when this money runs out no-one will be playing fortnite as an esport.[/quote]
Your acting like no one enjoys playing/watching this game.
Even with keemstars $5000 tournament around 600k people were watching fortnite on twitch
My friends only talk Fortnite. I say Yeah,Well Team fortress is better. They say No, Idiot s!!!!
My friends only talk Fortnite. I say Yeah,Well Team fortress is better. They say No, Idiot s!!!!
copperrgemm when this money runs out no-one will be playing fortnite as an esport.
Your acting like no one enjoys playing/watching this game.
Even with keemstars $5000 tournament around 600k people were watching fortnite on twitch
when you get a bunch of twitch streamers in an invitational tourney that happens, yeah. you're right the game has a fuck ton of people watching just for the gameplay but that doesn't mean that the same people would watch an esports broadcast. just like pubg casting and observing is gonna be a pain in the but hol, and that means watching is gonna be a bad experience too
im expecting it to behave kinda like pubg, people get bored of the gameplay after a bit or it saturates the people that are gonna play it and the game stagnates and starts declining. could be wrong but i doubt the top level esports meta won't stagnate and become campy and slow or just repetitive. a big part of that depends on how epic treat balancing the pro scene, my hopes aren't very high for that but again i could be wrong
[quote=copperr][quote=gemm] when this money runs out no-one will be playing fortnite as an esport.[/quote]
Your acting like no one enjoys playing/watching this game.
Even with keemstars $5000 tournament around 600k people were watching fortnite on twitch[/quote]
when you get a bunch of twitch streamers in an invitational tourney that happens, yeah. you're right the game has a fuck ton of people watching just for the gameplay but that doesn't mean that the same people would watch an esports broadcast. just like pubg casting and observing is gonna be a pain in the but hol, and that means watching is gonna be a bad experience too
im expecting it to behave kinda like pubg, people get bored of the gameplay after a bit or it saturates the people that are gonna play it and the game stagnates and starts declining. could be wrong but i doubt the top level esports meta won't stagnate and become campy and slow or just repetitive. a big part of that depends on how epic treat balancing the pro scene, my hopes aren't very high for that but again i could be wrong
gemmwhen you get a bunch of twitch streamers in an invitational tourney that happens, yeah. you're right the game has a fuck ton of people watching just for the gameplay but that doesn't mean that the same people would watch an esports broadcast. just like pubg casting and observing is gonna be a pain in the but hol, and that means watching is gonna be a bad experience too
im expecting it to behave kinda like pubg, people get bored of the gameplay after a bit or it saturates the people that are gonna play it and the game stagnates and starts declining. could be wrong but i doubt the top level esports meta won't stagnate and become campy and slow or just repetitive. a big part of that depends on how epic treat balancing the pro scene, my hopes aren't very high for that but again i could be wrong
games come and go, sure
hard to deny, though, that whether it's good to watch or not, this has set a crazy precedent, and it very much affects the entire esports world in various ways. everybody is talking about this. for folks like me who aren't too interested in playing fortnite, that's all fine, but i think most of us have been kind of expecting them to take their shot. and we'll all be interested to see what the outcome is, and how/to what degree it influences or shapes the industry going forward
esports and "the mainstream" are getting more and more connected with each passing day, you know?
[quote=gemm]when you get a bunch of twitch streamers in an invitational tourney that happens, yeah. you're right the game has a fuck ton of people watching just for the gameplay but that doesn't mean that the same people would watch an esports broadcast. just like pubg casting and observing is gonna be a pain in the but hol, and that means watching is gonna be a bad experience too
im expecting it to behave kinda like pubg, people get bored of the gameplay after a bit or it saturates the people that are gonna play it and the game stagnates and starts declining. could be wrong but i doubt the top level esports meta won't stagnate and become campy and slow or just repetitive. a big part of that depends on how epic treat balancing the pro scene, my hopes aren't very high for that but again i could be wrong[/quote]
games come and go, sure
hard to deny, though, that whether it's good to watch or not, this has set a crazy precedent, and it very much affects the entire esports world in various ways. [i]everybody is talking about this.[/i] for folks like me who aren't too interested in playing fortnite, that's all fine, but i think most of us have been kind of expecting them to take their shot. and we'll all be interested to see what the outcome is, and how/to what degree it influences or shapes the industry going forward
esports and "the mainstream" are getting more and more connected with each passing day, you know?
Competitive tournaments should have:
1. Luck minimised in every way possible. Random seeding, or preferably by ranking if there is a valid ranking system.
2. An incentive to win in every round of a tournament. A lot of tournaments end up having problems with tactical throwing due to poor management in a lot of ways, or teams can just stop playing since they either lost or won at a certain point.
3. No collusion between players. These sorts of tactics result in unfair and predetermined games. Shouldn't have to explain why this is a bad thing.
I don't see how you can have these done in battle royale games. Put 100 people vs each other and then you either let top 50 go through, meaning people can just stop playing the game after a certain point. Or you are left with 1 person out of 100, meaning that there would be a massive luck factor left in who goes through from the 100 players.
I just don't see how these tournaments can even work. To me it seems more like a circus, you go and watch cool stuff be done, or you participate in it because you like doing the cool stuff. Nothing is wrong with that, it just isn't competitive.
Competitive tournaments should have:
1. Luck minimised in every way possible. Random seeding, or preferably by ranking if there is a valid ranking system.
2. An incentive to win in every round of a tournament. A lot of tournaments end up having problems with tactical throwing due to poor management in a lot of ways, or teams can just stop playing since they either lost or won at a certain point.
3. No collusion between players. These sorts of tactics result in unfair and predetermined games. Shouldn't have to explain why this is a bad thing.
I don't see how you can have these done in battle royale games. Put 100 people vs each other and then you either let top 50 go through, meaning people can just stop playing the game after a certain point. Or you are left with 1 person out of 100, meaning that there would be a massive luck factor left in who goes through from the 100 players.
I just don't see how these tournaments can even work. To me it seems more like a circus, you go and watch cool stuff be done, or you participate in it because you like doing the cool stuff. Nothing is wrong with that, it just isn't competitive.
Getawhaleesports and "the mainstream" are getting more and more connected with each passing day, you know?
TBH this is a bad thing. Most things that go mainstream get ruined. Gaming in general is already for the most part ruined by the normies.
[quote=Getawhale]
esports and "the mainstream" are getting more and more connected with each passing day, you know?[/quote]
TBH this is a bad thing. Most things that go mainstream get ruined. Gaming in general is already for the most part ruined by the normies.
ScrewballGetawhaleesports and "the mainstream" are getting more and more connected with each passing day, you know?
TBH this is a bad thing. Most things that go mainstream get ruined. Gaming in general is already for the most part ruined by the normies.
nOrMIeS
[quote=Screwball][quote=Getawhale]
esports and "the mainstream" are getting more and more connected with each passing day, you know?[/quote]
TBH this is a bad thing. Most things that go mainstream get ruined. Gaming in general is already for the most part ruined by the normies.[/quote]
nOrMIeS
cant wait for the final deciding match for millions of dollars to be won by a 1 pump
cant wait for the final deciding match for millions of dollars to be won by a 1 pump
I just can't get into a game where you spend
60% running around smashing stuff for building resources
20% building houses whenever you see an enemy
15% jogging from place to place without seeing anyone
and only about 5% of the time actually aiming and fighting
I just can't get into a game where you spend
60% running around smashing stuff for building resources
20% building houses whenever you see an enemy
15% jogging from place to place without seeing anyone
and only about 5% of the time actually aiming and fighting
happy to see a new game that I enjoy playing/watching popping into contention as another top esport. I don't see the game being as slow/stalematey as PUBG, even in top level play, as the map is quite small in comparison and there are some interesting options for fast movement in things like the jetpack and jump crystals. From what I saw during Esports Arena Vegas's production of Ninja 2018, It seems like camerawork has a lot of potential mid-late game (sub-50 players and from 2nd circle form on) though there will for sure be some action missed early on unless instant replay or PiP is utilized to show off missed fights or multiple at once. Casting's probably the bigger challenge, working with the producer feeds you get and deciding what to talk about being the biggest challenge.
Overall seems like the skill ceiling potential is definitely there and there are some good personalities and quality competitors already actively interested in playing in tournaments, so I'm interested to see how things go.
happy to see a new game that I enjoy playing/watching popping into contention as another top esport. I don't see the game being as slow/stalematey as PUBG, even in top level play, as the map is quite small in comparison and there are some interesting options for fast movement in things like the jetpack and jump crystals. From what I saw during Esports Arena Vegas's production of Ninja 2018, It seems like camerawork has a lot of potential mid-late game (sub-50 players and from 2nd circle form on) though there will for sure be some action missed early on unless instant replay or PiP is utilized to show off missed fights or multiple at once. Casting's probably the bigger challenge, working with the producer feeds you get and deciding what to talk about being the biggest challenge.
Overall seems like the skill ceiling potential is definitely there and there are some good personalities and quality competitors already actively interested in playing in tournaments, so I'm interested to see how things go.
Dollyit shows how a younger average audience influences how esports games are. Games that are relatively easy and validate you no matter if you're the best in the world or play for 1 hour a day getting colossal amounts of money, and games that require a long grind but are rewarding are sadly neglected. bc 12 year olds don't have that motivation due to them actually not growing up with quote on quote 'harder' games.
I'm 12...
[quote=Dolly]it shows how a younger average audience influences how esports games are. Games that are relatively easy and validate you no matter if you're the best in the world or play for 1 hour a day getting colossal amounts of money, and games that require a long grind but are rewarding are sadly neglected. bc 12 year olds don't have that motivation due to them actually not growing up with quote on quote 'harder' games.[/quote]
I'm 12...
[img]https://i.imgur.com/Q6lnp0b.jpg[/img]
First set of games start this week with 250,000k prizepool.
In total 8 million over 8 weeks.
https://twitter.com/FortniteGame/status/1017111614221406210
First set of games start this week with 250,000k prizepool.
In total 8 million over 8 weeks.
https://twitter.com/FortniteGame/status/1017111614221406210
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbLG7zf3m9w
im happy for fortnite and those who enjoy it i just really cannot understand why this is happening. I understand there's dev support and all that jazz, but fortnite and all these new massively popular shooters are ass to play and watch imo
i am, and prob a decent amount of ppl in this thread are, extremely out of touch
probably time for me to switch genre and be young again x.x
im happy for fortnite and those who enjoy it i just really cannot understand why this is happening. I understand there's dev support and all that jazz, but fortnite and all these new massively popular shooters are ass to play and watch imo
i am, and prob a decent amount of ppl in this thread are, extremely out of touch
probably time for me to switch genre and be young again x.x
i just dont like the downtime of the games and the general gameplay of the game, it always feels like it could end and any second plus I like the ability to comeback.
i wish i could say something like valve are just biding their time but I'd probably be giving to much credit lmao
i just dont like the downtime of the games and the general gameplay of the game, it always feels like it could end and any second plus I like the ability to comeback.
i wish i could say something like valve are just biding their time but I'd probably be giving to much credit lmao
Potato-Chani wish i could say something like valve are just biding their time but I'd probably be giving to much credit lmao
I don't think Valve was ever really about following trends or whatever, they seem pretty out of touch. They're the type of company to just do whatever they like and if something's popular it makes no difference to them. TF2's chance of being taken seriously as an esport died when it gained a reputation for being nothing more than a hat simulator, imo. I do wish my cousin would stop telling me about how Fortnite is better than TF2 while he sits there playing it for 10 hours a day and begging people to buy skins for him, though.
[quote=Potato-Chan]i wish i could say something like valve are just biding their time but I'd probably be giving to much credit lmao[/quote]
I don't think Valve was ever really about following trends or whatever, they seem pretty out of touch. They're the type of company to just do whatever they like and if something's popular it makes no difference to them. TF2's chance of being taken seriously as an esport died when it gained a reputation for being nothing more than a hat simulator, imo. I do wish my cousin would stop telling me about how Fortnite is better than TF2 while he sits there playing it for 10 hours a day and begging people to buy skins for him, though.
Potato-Chani just dont like the downtime of the games and the general gameplay of the game, it always feels like it could end and any second plus I like the ability to comeback.
I mean like just don't lose and stop dropping on the outskirts of the map. If you drop tilted and then know how to rotate to other populated places you don't get any downtime. It's not PUBG.
About the comeback thing, I don't really get what you mean. If you have no health and shield you can always get it back after you kill a player with meds
[quote=Potato-Chan]i just dont like the downtime of the games and the general gameplay of the game, it always feels like it could end and any second plus I like the ability to comeback. [/quote]
I mean like just don't lose and stop dropping on the outskirts of the map. If you drop tilted and then know how to rotate to other populated places you don't get any downtime. It's not PUBG.
About the comeback thing, I don't really get what you mean. If you have no health and shield you can always get it back after you kill a player with meds
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