This isn't even an exaggeration.

If only people were aware of the massive scales that we are dealing with

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3isQf4kDFMw/WzowAkWvl-I/AAAAAAAAAHM/jLeDCovjyNQFlyqxZuJOxozza8rxyUvWQCLcBGAs/s320/Crop%2BCircles.jpg

Imagine the catastrophe that would ensue when the rains that these fields depend on are diverted elsewhere; if the rivers and lakes from which they extract water from dry up or are contaminated.

One thing is food prices going up, another thing is there plain and simply not being enough to go around for everyone.

i dont care i only live 60 years

Very easy to say that. Truth is the repercussions of these issues are very likely to affect you in your lifetime.

"It's very hard to argue against anarcho-primitivism"

Oh dear.

I think this is the part where I close this thread.

You will see large scale humanitarian crises happening within 30 years and some of them are going to hit you at home. The human race consumes the equivalent of 1.7 Earths, meaning we're living in an unsustainable debt that will inevitably lead up to the greatest disasters in human history - and you think none of it is going to happen within your life time? The collapse isn't some far away event, it has already begun.

40 years of economic decline

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/73/US_productivity_and_real_wages.jpg/800px-US_productivity_and_real_wages.jpg

Rising wealth gaps

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-dc2405984e2b783ed92b79c9d1961cfc

Millions of people, either refugees or immigrants bribing human trafficking organizations, are swarming your continent

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsDJxXdrQVA

Our ecosystems are either dead or dying
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2018/08/explore-atlas-great-barrier-reef-coral-bleaching-map-climate-change/

Unsustainable population growth

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a1a8e802d002c2bc0887463cf9964f17-c

I could go on and on (Rainforests, Monsoons, agricultural collapse, Arctic Circle reaching 30ºC, etc. etc. etc.) but let me make this as simple as possible for you:

Demand for resources is going up
Supply of resources is going down

Conclusion: global impoverishment => growing dissatisfaction => the supermarkets you expect to always be magically full of food start become more and more empty until one day there just isn't anything for you anymore => riots, uprisings and chaos

What do you think happens after that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iOGeCLpAY0

This is going to happen in your lifetime. Have fun.

The greenhouse effect (or hothouse) is vital for sustaining life on Earth. The existing of our planet is followed by countless cataclysms and changes. Earth and life on it are a dynamic system and the changes are a part of life. Furthermore, those changes made the existence of mankind possible.

What we are about to experience in the foreseeable future is something that would happen anyway, the human race is just a catalyst for it. The life on Earth will still be preserved, and given the devastation that humanoids inflict on it, we shouldn't really crash to the ground in agony for ourselves.

Why are people arguing about climate change on a video game forum like this.

Because we are people after all, lol.

Humanity is the most important thing on the face of the planet. There is no greater service than trying to preserve it, because humans are the only ones that even know what preservation is. We are the most important thing because it is exclusively humans that assign importance to anything. Other animals might place value on things, but based purely on relevance to imminent survival or pleasure. As far as we know, there is nothing else anywhere that thinks in abstract terms, that communicates half as well as we do, that looks towards the stars and thinks "I bet I can figure out how to get there."

Until we find other intelligent life, we might as well be the most important thing in the entire universe, because we're the only ones who have any idea what that means. Unfortunately we have no idea if intelligent life exists elsewhere. Forget any bullshit you've heard about, like the drake equation, because the reality is that we have a sample size of exactly one planet, and that gets us nowhere in terms of probability. Of course, the universe will keep existing without us, but letting humanity die may very well extinguish the only intelligence anywhere in the universe. And what's the purpose of the universe if there isn't anyone around to make it up?

I'd rather let the human race die out so other species could exist peacefully rather than have the mankind exist in expense of the normal well-beings of other living creatures.

Even if we are the only ones that are able to think in abstract terms, what does that even mean in terms of value? Everything we find in the universe in the future, whether it is another inhabitable planet or just better understanding of our surroundings, that's all for ourselves, and only we would understand it anyway. Life on Earth is self-sufficient as it is.

You do have a point, but I find it rather egoistical to put ourselves on a pedestal and estimate the rest as not that important.

there are already uninhabitable places on earth lol. death valley and the sahara aren't exactly friendly to human life at the moment. sensationalism of articles like this bothers me

people will wise up in 20-30 years and a few degrees wont change too much, temperature has fluctuated much more over the course of earth's history like another poster mentioned. there's too much action being taken regarding climate change for anything terrible to happen at this point

smog is a much more serious problem

Scientific community: <irrevocable evidence that shit will hit the fan>
Economists: <irrevocable evidence that shit will hit the fan>
Political theorists: <irrevocable evidence that shit will hit the fan>
You, a nobody: "everything will be fine because magic lol"

https://ih0.redbubble.net/image.473319638.9119/raf,750x1000,075,t,fafafa:ca443f4786.u1.jpg

if the planet heats up 5C over the next century people can move, lol - im not denying that anything is happening

obviously shit will hit the fan, but, it's really easy to make the assumption that the elite will find a way to profit off of solving this problem so im genuinely not worried at all

carbon tax is literally just the beginning

and if it becomes an exponential problem and the planet starts combusting I couldn't care less if I have to move to zyflex 14-b in a cryochamber to get the last 20 years of my life

ah sorry guys i forgot im supposed to be angry lol whoops heres some more fuel for that fire off the top of my head if you weren't quite sure if things are going to shit yet

http://amhtxy.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Integrated-Poultry-Farming-21-with-Integrated-Poultry-Farming.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/1d/fa/65/1dfa65732687ddddf886188e11bd4090.jpg

https://blog.raulza.me/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Fig1-USATop1Bottom501970-2015.png

The human-induced climate change is simply not comparable to those previous changes you are referring to. The natural CO2 cicle operates on a time scale of millions of years. We achieved changes of a similar order of magnitude in not even 300 years. Consequently, I am afraid that there might be differences in how well the flora and fauna can adapt to those changes. :)

"yeah fuck our peacefull everyday life! billions will die? lmaoooooo who even cares like, wanna come to my zyflex 14-b in a russian cryochamber??"

>peaceful everyday life

pissed and delusional

umm

please do tell me the last time you had to spend 20 hours a day working, or when you died incredibly early in life because of an infection.
the very fact u can spend ur time on the internet and on this thread shows you have a peacefull life in comparison to whats coming up

that's already happening to over a billion people

i have to say euros are great at flamebaiting

at least i hope that's what you're doing

literally trillions of eukaryotic organisms will die !

the people who are going to be hit the hardest by climate change live in developing nations. when ur that poor u don't have the ability to just move anywhere you want. on top of that, since climate change is linked to droughts, these same people are going to be hit by famine because crops wont grow.

nvm guys its ok because capitalism will save us

im sure money will stop people from migrating when its 130 degrees outside their home

yeah i expected the villagers from chad to purchase a nice property for themselves damn im so daft

I probably should have clarified this, but when I said "just move anywhere you want" I meant that as in when they eventually do have to move they don't get a choice in the matter. What will happen if and when people start migrating is projected to be the biggest refugee crisis ever

And considering that you aren't worried at all because you think that the people primarily responsible for the problem will fix it, despite years of them not doing anything or flat out denying the problem exists, yes you are a bit daft

money is behind it all, the moment it becomes more profitable to be eco friendly all of the harmful industry goes out the window. that's why I have such confidence, because money is the only reason that these industries are allowed to thrive

of course they'll partially destroy the world but hey we're in a great technological age, on the brink of basic income and automated farming and really im quite optimistic for that reason

it's so funny to be shamed for speculation in a thread about speculation.

"A few degrees won't change too much" is not correct and I just wanted to jump in with some stats/papers/etc. I like and respect you kawa and tbh you're not totally out in left field, you're making some good points but maybe just not great wording. A lot of people fail to think about temperature increases as being too serious since it's ONLY one or two degrees, a difference we can barely feel. If it's 90 tomorrow and 91 the next day, it's like meh who cares. But we are people. The planet reacts differently and much more severely to changes like this.

Page 6 of this has a nice chart for the lazy like me

http://globalwarming.berrens.nl/globalwarming.htm

https://www.livescience.com/58891-why-2-degrees-celsius-increase-matters.html

Etc, these articles/figures are quite easy to find with a bit of digging. Sources include NASA and similar. So no, I mean you're partly right that.. 2 degrees may not fundamentally change the life of a gamer in the developed world, but it will have LARGE changes to nature and to humanity alike, some of them irreversible (depending on the scope and the increase etc.)

those are good links and I did already have an understanding that there will be colossal damage to coastal cities like houston etc that will most likely cost trillions in the long run. and yes, beautiful natural ecosystems that we don't even inhabit will be affected through wildfires or what have you. my idea of "terrible" circumstances would be a complete worldwide cataclysm not a partial one - ie we literally can't produce food anymore or something similar. so yes, my wording sucked as my idea of terrible is definitely not the same as most

most of my opinion is coming from the fact that we can't stop this at this point (and maybe a little bit to do with the crazy amount of injustices going on in this world besides global warming, it's hard to take anything seriously)

i've been browsing a few too many imageboards nowadays so i've felt maybe a little too jaded for my optimism on the issue to really show - but yeah, in an age where we are beginning to see feasible solutions to the problems we have, I personally don't want to feel like a victim of fearmongering

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hey do you know how when you pop a pimple
a tiny bit of crap comes out and the rest of the body goes on business as usual?