Do you think anybody could be the best at TF2 with enough dedication to getting better? Or do you believe that some people simply cannot reach the top, no matter how hard they try?
Explain your reasoning as to why
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Do you think anybody could be the best at TF2?
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Do you think anybody could be the best at TF2 with enough dedication to getting better? Or do you believe that some people simply cannot reach the top, no matter how hard they try?
Explain your reasoning as to why
Explain your reasoning as to why
like the saying goes, " Practice makes perfect."
With enought determination and practice you most likely could become the best player but only if you have a good team as well beacuse TEAM fortress 2 is a team based game
like the saying goes, " Practice makes perfect."
With enought determination and practice you most likely could become the best player but only if you have a good team as well beacuse TEAM fortress 2 is a team based game
With enought determination and practice you most likely could become the best player but only if you have a good team as well beacuse TEAM fortress 2 is a team based game
Depends when you are starting if you are starting as an teen or as an young adult pretty good chances whit enough time but if you are 30 and just starting pretty much no chance since slower reaction times the younger the better
Depends when you are starting if you are starting as an teen or as an young adult pretty good chances whit enough time but if you are 30 and just starting pretty much no chance since slower reaction times the younger the better
alot of people wont even be able to make prem/invite let alone be the best
alot of people wont even be able to make prem/invite let alone be the best
It depends on what you mean by "be the best" and "with enough dedication" but I would say almost 100% yes. Sure, there are some people who couldn't do it because they literally do not have the time or literally do not have the resources to compete, but those limitations aren't very harsh. People have made playoffs / won Invite on 60hz, with nearly 100 ping, with very limited time to play the game, etc. (the quality of your team definitely plays a role in that as well). You could also create stupid hypotheticals that would make it impossible to become the best - like someone who literally has no hands and has to play with his feet could only make it so far - but that's pretty unlikely. At the end of the day, TF2 is a small game with not much competition. It isn't the NFL or something where this question would be much more debatable, and even then, there's been receivers who have made the Pro Bowl despite being half blind in a sport that is 10,000x more competitive than TF2.
It depends on what you mean by "be the best" and "with enough dedication" but I would say almost 100% yes. Sure, there are some people who couldn't do it because they literally do not have the time or literally do not have the resources to compete, but those limitations aren't very harsh. People have made playoffs / won Invite on 60hz, with nearly 100 ping, with very limited time to play the game, etc. (the quality of your team definitely plays a role in that as well). You could also create stupid hypotheticals that would make it impossible to become the best - like someone who literally has no hands and has to play with his feet could only make it so far - but that's pretty unlikely. At the end of the day, TF2 is a small game with not much competition. It isn't the NFL or something where this question would be much more debatable, and even then, there's been receivers who have made the Pro Bowl despite being half blind in a sport that is 10,000x more competitive than TF2.
Look at how old some of the cs pros are. It really doesn't have much to do with age unless u r like 40 or smth. I think it's harder to learn when older but it's definitely not impossible
In tf2 though.. unless u have enough money to not have to work then it's really going to be difficult competing with ppl that do it for a living or have little responsibilities. Not impossible though!
Look at how old some of the cs pros are. It really doesn't have much to do with age unless u r like 40 or smth. I think it's harder to learn when older but it's definitely not impossible
In tf2 though.. unless u have enough money to not have to work then it's really going to be difficult competing with ppl that do it for a living or have little responsibilities. Not impossible though!
In tf2 though.. unless u have enough money to not have to work then it's really going to be difficult competing with ppl that do it for a living or have little responsibilities. Not impossible though!
I think some people are simply more prone to being good at video games than others. Like the video jyrkas linked, you could try your hardest, but you will eventually reach your own skill ceiling and won't be able to get any better.
I like to think of it this way: the person who is most likely to be the absolute best at TF2 of all time most probably never has and never will play the game. Someone out there is genetically the perfect candidate for TF2, it's just that he probably did not find out about TF2, never having the opportunity to fulfill his potential.
I think some people are simply more prone to being good at video games than others. Like the video jyrkas linked, you could try your hardest, but you will eventually reach your own skill ceiling and won't be able to get any better.
I like to think of it this way: the person who is most likely to be the absolute best at TF2 of all time most probably never has and never will play the game. Someone out there is genetically the perfect candidate for TF2, it's just that he probably did not find out about TF2, never having the opportunity to fulfill his potential.
I like to think of it this way: the person who is most likely to be the absolute best at TF2 of all time most probably never has and never will play the game. Someone out there is genetically the perfect candidate for TF2, it's just that he probably did not find out about TF2, never having the opportunity to fulfill his potential.
hayesIt depends on what you mean by "be the best" and "with enough dedication" but I would say almost 100% yes. Sure, there are some people who couldn't do it because they literally do not have the time or literally do not have the resources to compete, but those limitations aren't very harsh. People have made playoffs / won Invite on 60hz, with nearly 100 ping, with very limited time to play the game, etc. (the quality of your team definitely plays a role in that as well). You could also create stupid hypotheticals that would make it impossible to become the best - like someone who literally has no hands and has to play with his feet could only make it so far - but that's pretty unlikely. At the end of the day, TF2 is a small game with not much competition. It isn't the NFL or something where this question would be much more debatable, and even then, there's been receivers who have made the Pro Bowl despite being half blind in a sport that is 10,000x more competitive than TF2.
I think it really depends on the fact when you start and how many hours can you rack up on your life time for example s1mple a GOAT player in has played cs since like 8 year old or Michael Jordan when he wasn't even the best in his family while starting
[quote=hayes]It depends on what you mean by "be the best" and "with enough dedication" but I would say almost 100% yes. Sure, there are some people who couldn't do it because they literally do not have the time or literally do not have the resources to compete, but those limitations aren't very harsh. People have made playoffs / won Invite on 60hz, with nearly 100 ping, with very limited time to play the game, etc. (the quality of your team definitely plays a role in that as well). You could also create stupid hypotheticals that would make it impossible to become the best - like someone who literally has no hands and has to play with his feet could only make it so far - but that's pretty unlikely. At the end of the day, TF2 is a small game with not much competition. It isn't the NFL or something where this question would be much more debatable, and even then, there's been receivers who have made the Pro Bowl despite being half blind in a sport that is 10,000x more competitive than TF2.[/quote]
I think it really depends on the fact when you start and how many hours can you rack up on your life time for example s1mple a GOAT player in has played cs since like 8 year old or Michael Jordan when he wasn't even the best in his family while starting
I think it really depends on the fact when you start and how many hours can you rack up on your life time for example s1mple a GOAT player in has played cs since like 8 year old or Michael Jordan when he wasn't even the best in his family while starting
No, not anyone could be the best. To be the best at something, it requires work + high cognitive abilities + possible natural aptitude. There are people who have entered Invite with sub 5k hours, and there are people with over 10k hours and little to show for it.
No, not anyone could be the best. To be the best at something, it requires work + high cognitive abilities + possible natural aptitude. There are people who have entered Invite with sub 5k hours, and there are people with over 10k hours and little to show for it.
btw dont get fooled by others that you cant do it they are just trying to get less competition so they can be top
btw dont get fooled by others that you cant do it they are just trying to get less competition so they can be top
The simple fact that only one person can be the best is proof that this isn't true.
There are only so many hours in a day and it's not realistic to be able to outpace talented players who already work hard as is.
I mean, maybe if you had some hyperbolic time chamber where you could actually practice 10x as much, but otherwise, nope.
The simple fact that only one person can be the best is proof that this isn't true.
There are only so many hours in a day and it's not realistic to be able to outpace talented players who already work hard as is.
I mean, maybe if you had some hyperbolic time chamber where you could actually practice 10x as much, but otherwise, nope.
There are only so many hours in a day and it's not realistic to be able to outpace talented players who already work hard as is.
I mean, maybe if you had some hyperbolic time chamber where you could actually practice 10x as much, but otherwise, nope.
laikNo, not anyone could be the best. To be the best at something, it requires work + high cognitive abilities + possible natural aptitude. There are people who have entered Invite with sub 5k hours, and there are people with over 10k hours and little to show for it.
In lieu of any actual evidence, I'd argue that anyone with 10k hours who's not near the top of the player talent ladder probably didn't spend all 10k actually working at getting better. There would probably be a lot of time idle, casual or community pubs, surfing, playing easy jump maps, stuff like that. There's a genetic component to everything we do, but unless there's some sort of mental or physical handicap at play, I think anyone who spends 10k hours trying their best to get better would definitely find themselves at the top level.
[quote=laik]No, not anyone could be the best. To be the best at something, it requires work + high cognitive abilities + possible natural aptitude. There are people who have entered Invite with sub 5k hours, and there are people with over 10k hours and little to show for it.[/quote]
In lieu of any actual evidence, I'd argue that anyone with 10k hours who's not near the top of the player talent ladder probably didn't spend all 10k actually working at getting better. There would probably be a lot of time idle, casual or community pubs, surfing, playing easy jump maps, stuff like that. There's a genetic component to everything we do, but unless there's some sort of mental or physical handicap at play, I think anyone who spends 10k hours trying their best to get better would definitely find themselves at the top level.
In lieu of any actual evidence, I'd argue that anyone with 10k hours who's not near the top of the player talent ladder probably didn't spend all 10k actually working at getting better. There would probably be a lot of time idle, casual or community pubs, surfing, playing easy jump maps, stuff like that. There's a genetic component to everything we do, but unless there's some sort of mental or physical handicap at play, I think anyone who spends 10k hours trying their best to get better would definitely find themselves at the top level.
MotoriDepends when you are starting if you are starting as an teen or as an young adult pretty good chances whit enough time but if you are 30 and just starting pretty much no chance since slower reaction times the younger the better
more likely that they don't have time to play (family, job or lack of interest) than slow reactions
imho, 'natural talent' is vastly overstated and usually used as an excuse by people who dont want to put the time into getting better, at the end of the day most people have the same hands and similar reaction times etc. its 99% of the time them having a shitty mentality or not being disciplined enough to practice (which is perfectly reasonable in a game like tf2 which you can't make a living off of)
[quote=Motori]Depends when you are starting if you are starting as an teen or as an young adult pretty good chances whit enough time but if you are 30 and just starting pretty much no chance since slower reaction times the younger the better[/quote]
more likely that they don't have time to play (family, job or lack of interest) than slow reactions
imho, 'natural talent' is vastly overstated and usually used as an excuse by people who dont want to put the time into getting better, at the end of the day most people have the same hands and similar reaction times etc. its 99% of the time them having a shitty mentality or not being disciplined enough to practice (which is perfectly reasonable in a game like tf2 which you can't make a living off of)
more likely that they don't have time to play (family, job or lack of interest) than slow reactions
imho, 'natural talent' is vastly overstated and usually used as an excuse by people who dont want to put the time into getting better, at the end of the day most people have the same hands and similar reaction times etc. its 99% of the time them having a shitty mentality or not being disciplined enough to practice (which is perfectly reasonable in a game like tf2 which you can't make a living off of)
Talent+hard work > hard work > talent
Takes both to be the best, many people miss one or the other (or both)
Talent+hard work > hard work > talent
Takes both to be the best, many people miss one or the other (or both)
Takes both to be the best, many people miss one or the other (or both)
i think it is ultimately genetics + putting in the work, same with pretty much any skill or other thing in life
i feel my genetics have screwed me over in tf2 as I have impaired motor skills and some difficulty communicating in stressful situations, i.e. communicating positions, strats, calls etc during a game of 6s
i think it is ultimately genetics + putting in the work, same with pretty much any skill or other thing in life
i feel my genetics have screwed me over in tf2 as I have impaired motor skills and some difficulty communicating in stressful situations, i.e. communicating positions, strats, calls etc during a game of 6s
i feel my genetics have screwed me over in tf2 as I have impaired motor skills and some difficulty communicating in stressful situations, i.e. communicating positions, strats, calls etc during a game of 6s
as rude as it sounds, some people just don't have the mental capacity to improve, and some people develop the capacity after it is too late.
personal anecdote:
when i was 7 years old i started playing hockey, i was fucking awful, and like many other 7 years olds i too wanted to be the next Wayne Gretzky. the only problem for me is that i did not want to put in the work and did not know how to listen to the advice of my coaches (I was 7 after all). unfortunately for 7-year-old Grape Juice, i didnt learn what "hard work" really was until i was almost 14, and i lagged behind my peers in hockey for quite some time.
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for what its worth i started putting in some work after that and got pretty decent but by then i knew i wouldnt amount to anything
as rude as it sounds, some people just don't have the mental capacity to improve, and some people develop the capacity after it is too late.
personal anecdote:
when i was 7 years old i started playing hockey, i was fucking awful, and like many other 7 years olds i too wanted to be the next Wayne Gretzky. the only problem for me is that i did not want to put in the work and did not know how to listen to the advice of my coaches (I was 7 after all). unfortunately for 7-year-old Grape Juice, i didnt learn what "hard work" really was until i was almost 14, and i lagged behind my peers in hockey for quite some time.
[spoiler]for what its worth i started putting in some work after that and got pretty decent but by then i knew i wouldnt amount to anything[/spoiler]
personal anecdote:
when i was 7 years old i started playing hockey, i was fucking awful, and like many other 7 years olds i too wanted to be the next Wayne Gretzky. the only problem for me is that i did not want to put in the work and did not know how to listen to the advice of my coaches (I was 7 after all). unfortunately for 7-year-old Grape Juice, i didnt learn what "hard work" really was until i was almost 14, and i lagged behind my peers in hockey for quite some time.
[spoiler]for what its worth i started putting in some work after that and got pretty decent but by then i knew i wouldnt amount to anything[/spoiler]
talent plays a factor however since tf2 is low stakes, when compared to more profitable esports, there isn't as much competition for first place. this means a lot (hesitant to say most) can get there, despite lacking talent, if they tryhard and dedicate more time than anyone else.
talent plays a factor however since tf2 is low stakes, when compared to more profitable esports, there isn't as much competition for first place. this means a lot (hesitant to say most) can get there, despite lacking talent, if they tryhard and dedicate more time than anyone else.
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i think the answer is no but it's probably more about opportunities, motivating factors, positive reenforcement, personality traits etc than just raw genetic predisposition to be able to aim better.
i think the answer is no but it's probably more about opportunities, motivating factors, positive reenforcement, personality traits etc than just raw genetic predisposition to be able to aim better.
jyrkashttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkvD_NkUX-M
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0956797614535810
We found that deliberate practice explained 26% of the variance in performance for games, 21% for music, 18% for sports, 4% for education, and less than 1% for professions. We conclude that deliberate practice is important, but not as important as has been argued.
now, idk wtf they mean by "games"
[quote=jyrkas][youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkvD_NkUX-M[/youtube][/quote]
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0956797614535810
[quote]We found that deliberate practice explained 26% of the variance in performance for games, 21% for music, 18% for sports, 4% for education, and less than 1% for professions. We conclude that deliberate practice is important, but not as important as has been argued.[/quote]
now, idk wtf they mean by "games"
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0956797614535810
[quote]We found that deliberate practice explained 26% of the variance in performance for games, 21% for music, 18% for sports, 4% for education, and less than 1% for professions. We conclude that deliberate practice is important, but not as important as has been argued.[/quote]
now, idk wtf they mean by "games"
literally what is this question even asking
of course there is always going to be a best player
and of course it's going to be some russian 14 year old kid on 60hz and 30fps
literally what is this question even asking
of course there is always going to be a best player
and of course it's going to be some russian 14 year old kid on 60hz and 30fps
of course there is always going to be a best player
and of course it's going to be some russian 14 year old kid on 60hz and 30fps
edinliterally what is this question even asking
of course there is always going to be a best player
and of course it's going to be some russian 14 year old kid on 60hz and 30fps
hard aim pootis siberia
[quote=edin]literally what is this question even asking
of course there is always going to be a best player
and of course it's going to be some russian 14 year old kid on 60hz and 30fps[/quote]
hard aim pootis siberia
of course there is always going to be a best player
and of course it's going to be some russian 14 year old kid on 60hz and 30fps[/quote]
hard aim pootis siberia
the only time genetics is really a factor is if like someone is born without proper control over their muscles or some other low percentage thing. But for the most part becoming a top player all comes down to attitude and mentality and not genetics. There’s really not much “natural talent” for stuff like tf2 and what some people think are talented players are actually just players who practice better than them.
One of my favorite stories is about a csgo pro (taz I think?) who’s one day decided to start playing league and became a top50 player in about 6 months, he had the proper mentality and knew the proper way to practice and because of this he would most likely be able to become a top level player in any game he played
the only time genetics is really a factor is if like someone is born without proper control over their muscles or some other low percentage thing. But for the most part becoming a top player all comes down to attitude and mentality and not genetics. There’s really not much “natural talent” for stuff like tf2 and what some people think are talented players are actually just players who practice better than them.
One of my favorite stories is about a csgo pro (taz I think?) who’s one day decided to start playing league and became a top50 player in about 6 months, he had the proper mentality and knew the proper way to practice and because of this he would most likely be able to become a top level player in any game he played
One of my favorite stories is about a csgo pro (taz I think?) who’s one day decided to start playing league and became a top50 player in about 6 months, he had the proper mentality and knew the proper way to practice and because of this he would most likely be able to become a top level player in any game he played
vulcthe only time genetics is really a factor is if like someone is born without proper control over their muscles or some other low percentage thing. But for the most part becoming a top player all comes down to attitude and mentality and not genetics. There’s really not much “natural talent” for stuff like tf2 and what some people think are talented players are actually just players who practice better than them.
One of my favorite stories is about a csgo pro (taz I think?) who’s one day decided to start playing league and became a top50 player in about 6 months, he had the proper mentality and knew the proper way to practice and because of this he would most likely be able to become a top level player in any game he played
there are plenty of players that mge more, play the game more, scrim more than best players that still can't reach their skill level. some players can hit that level and some will never get to that level.
[quote=vulc]the only time genetics is really a factor is if like someone is born without proper control over their muscles or some other low percentage thing. But for the most part becoming a top player all comes down to attitude and mentality and not genetics. There’s really not much “natural talent” for stuff like tf2 and what some people think are talented players are actually just players who practice better than them.
One of my favorite stories is about a csgo pro (taz I think?) who’s one day decided to start playing league and became a top50 player in about 6 months, he had the proper mentality and knew the proper way to practice and because of this he would most likely be able to become a top level player in any game he played[/quote]
there are plenty of players that mge more, play the game more, scrim more than best players that still can't reach their skill level. some players can hit that level and some will never get to that level.
One of my favorite stories is about a csgo pro (taz I think?) who’s one day decided to start playing league and became a top50 player in about 6 months, he had the proper mentality and knew the proper way to practice and because of this he would most likely be able to become a top level player in any game he played[/quote]
there are plenty of players that mge more, play the game more, scrim more than best players that still can't reach their skill level. some players can hit that level and some will never get to that level.
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