Hello everybody!
Recently we ran a poll for the global whitelist. We feel like this was decently successful for the short notice and limited publicity and are happy with the results and engagement we got from it. In the future we will most likely look at running a larger poll with better timing and publicity surounding it to allow for further optimization of the whitelist.
Now onto the good stuff, the actual results and the changes that these are going to entail.
Firstly, the whitelist changes:
- Unbanning: Atomized, Dragons fury and Mantreads
- Banning: Diamondback
You can find the full updated whitelist here: https://whitelist.tf/10008
Here are all the percentages that each weapon received:
https://i.imgur.com/YKKps6i.png
A final thank you to everybody that filled in the form, we do really appreciate it!
Hello everybody!
Recently we ran a poll for the global whitelist. We feel like this was decently successful for the short notice and limited publicity and are happy with the results and engagement we got from it. In the future we will most likely look at running a larger poll with better timing and publicity surounding it to allow for further optimization of the whitelist.
Now onto the good stuff, the actual results and the changes that these are going to entail.
Firstly, the whitelist changes:
- Unbanning: Atomized, Dragons fury and Mantreads
- Banning: Diamondback
You can find the full updated whitelist here: https://whitelist.tf/10008
Here are all the percentages that each weapon received:
[img]https://i.imgur.com/YKKps6i.png[/img]
A final thank you to everybody that filled in the form, we do really appreciate it!
mattystopperrip laser gun
Wasn't even allowed in the previous version of the Global Whitelist, only ESEA unbanned it, imo defeating the purpose of the 'global' part of the whitelist.
[quote=mattystopper]rip laser gun[/quote]
Wasn't even allowed in the [url=http://whitelist.tf/8477]previous[/url] version of the [i]Global[/i] Whitelist, only ESEA unbanned it, imo defeating the purpose of the 'global' part of the whitelist.
safe changes, probably better this way, mantreads could prove interesting in certain situations and not having a weapon that rewards you for playing the game as intended is prollly something no one will really miss
safe changes, probably better this way, mantreads could prove interesting in certain situations and not having a weapon that rewards you for playing the game as intended is prollly something no one will really miss
WiethoofdWasn't even allowed in the previous version of the Global Whitelist, only ESEA unbanned it, imo defeating the purpose of the 'global' part of the whitelist.
Hopefully whatever league NATF2 heads to after will use the global whitelist.
[quote=Wiethoofd]Wasn't even allowed in the [url=http://whitelist.tf/8477]previous[/url] version of the [i]Global[/i] Whitelist, only ESEA unbanned it, imo defeating the purpose of the 'global' part of the whitelist.[/quote]
Hopefully whatever league NATF2 heads to after will use the global whitelist.
why won't you just let us have a season with qfix. why.
[b]why won't you just let us have a season with qfix. why.[/b]
https://youtu.be/iFgNKB1JCiI
RandomTF2why won't you just let us have a season with qfix. why.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClgzHg5giaQ
[quote=RandomTF2][b]why won't you just let us have a season with qfix. why.[/b][/quote]
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClgzHg5giaQ[/youtube]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OalWDhYfdeg
Then don't pick it if you don't know how or when to use it.
Same as every other weapon.
Again, I see no reason in FORBIDDING it.
[b]Then don't pick it if you don't know how or when to use it.
Same as every other weapon.
Again, I see no reason in FORBIDDING it.[/b]
RandomTF2Then don't pick it if you don't know how or when to use it.
Same as every other weapon.
Again, I see no reason in FORBIDDING it.
please don't comment on this when you've never played with the quick fix unbanned in any serious 6v6 game.
[quote=RandomTF2][b]Then don't pick it if you don't know how or when to use it.
Same as every other weapon.
Again, I see no reason in FORBIDDING it.[/b][/quote]
please don't comment on this when you've never played with the quick fix unbanned in any serious 6v6 game.
CyanicRandomTF2Then don't pick it if you don't know how or when to use it.
Same as every other weapon.
Again, I see no reason in FORBIDDING it.
please don't comment on this when you've never played with the quick fix unbanned in any serious 6v6 game.
wouldn't have if I didn't.
"There is no whitelist! Every weapon in the game is allowed!"
-Also, Hyping everyone then turning them down is not cool.
No one is forcing you guys to use this weapon so if ur not good at it/against it - it really is your problem.
[b][quote=Cyanic][quote=RandomTF2][b]Then don't pick it if you don't know how or when to use it.
Same as every other weapon.
Again, I see no reason in FORBIDDING it.[/b][/quote]
please don't comment on this when you've never played with the quick fix unbanned in any serious 6v6 game.[/quote]
wouldn't have if I didn't.
"There is no whitelist! Every weapon in the game is allowed!"
-Also, Hyping everyone then turning them down is not cool.
No one is forcing you guys to use this weapon so if ur not good at it/against it - it really is your problem.
[/b]
RandomTF2CyanicRandomTF2Then don't pick it if you don't know how or when to use it.
Same as every other weapon.
Again, I see no reason in FORBIDDING it.
please don't comment on this when you've never played with the quick fix unbanned in any serious 6v6 game.
wouldn't have if I didn't.
"There is no whitelist! Every weapon in the game is allowed!"
-Also, Hyping everyone then turning them down is not cool.
No one is forcing you guys to use this weapon so if ur not good at it/against it - it really is your problem.
you have 700 hours in the game I dont think youve played in a "serious" 6v6 game period.
[quote=RandomTF2][b][quote=Cyanic][quote=RandomTF2][b]Then don't pick it if you don't know how or when to use it.
Same as every other weapon.
Again, I see no reason in FORBIDDING it.[/b][/quote]
please don't comment on this when you've never played with the quick fix unbanned in any serious 6v6 game.[/quote]
wouldn't have if I didn't.
"There is no whitelist! Every weapon in the game is allowed!"
-Also, Hyping everyone then turning them down is not cool.
No one is forcing you guys to use this weapon so if ur not good at it/against it - it really is your problem.
[/b][/quote]
you have 700 hours in the game I dont think youve played in a "serious" 6v6 game period.
the guy is bolding every post, hes not real
the guy is bolding every post, hes not real
afaik the entire point of having a whitelist (and class restrictions) is to ensure the game is as fun and competitive as possible for everyone in the server. we have one of the few games in the known universe where it's possible to lose and still enjoy the 30 minutes. power to the global whitelist
pls never ban winger ilu
afaik the entire point of having a whitelist (and class restrictions) is to ensure the game is as fun and competitive as possible for everyone in the server. we have one of the few games in the known universe where it's possible to lose and still enjoy the 30 minutes. power to the global whitelist
pls never ban winger ilu
i dont have a problem with any of the changes here but 37% of the vote shouldn't get an item unbanned imo
i dont have a problem with any of the changes here but 37% of the vote shouldn't get an item unbanned imo
daybraekRandomTF2CyanicRandomTF2Then don't pick it if you don't know how or when to use it.
Same as every other weapon.
Again, I see no reason in FORBIDDING it.
please don't comment on this when you've never played with the quick fix unbanned in any serious 6v6 game.
wouldn't have if I didn't.
"There is no whitelist! Every weapon in the game is allowed!"
-Also, Hyping everyone then turning them down is not cool.
No one is forcing you guys to use this weapon so if ur not good at it/against it - it really is your problem.
you have 700 hours in the game I dont think youve played in a "serious" 6v6 game period.
I have over 2.5k hours in total - Still, way better than u'll ever be.
JackyLegsspoopy
[quote=daybraek][quote=RandomTF2][b][quote=Cyanic][quote=RandomTF2][b]Then don't pick it if you don't know how or when to use it.
Same as every other weapon.
Again, I see no reason in FORBIDDING it.[/b][/quote]
please don't comment on this when you've never played with the quick fix unbanned in any serious 6v6 game.[/quote]
wouldn't have if I didn't.
"There is no whitelist! Every weapon in the game is allowed!"
-Also, Hyping everyone then turning them down is not cool.
No one is forcing you guys to use this weapon so if ur not good at it/against it - it really is your problem.
[/b][/quote]
you have 700 hours in the game I dont think youve played in a "serious" 6v6 game period.[/quote]
I have over 2.5k hours in total - Still, way better than u'll ever be.
[quote=JackyLegs]spoopy[/quote]
where was this poll advertised? and how many responses did it get?
where was this poll advertised? and how many responses did it get?
An ban or unban should take a stronger (<70%) majority for the vote to have a meaning. Anything that is not disliked/wanted this much should not be changed for the sake of changing things around.
An ban or unban should take a stronger (<70%) majority for the vote to have a meaning. Anything that is not disliked/wanted this much should not be changed for the sake of changing things around.
we really making whitelists based on public polls?
we really making whitelists based on public polls?
Daggerwe really making whitelists based on public polls?
Starkiei dont have a problem with any of the changes here but 37% of the vote shouldn't get an item unbanned imo
Especially given that it's a public poll, such a small difference definitely should not be considered statistically significant. Seems that this was not very well thought out, and as much as I agree with banning the cow mangler (shit is just dumb and doesn't add anything interesting to the game), I feel like if this is actually to be the 'global whitelist' there should be proper meetings and discussions with the different league admins and players from different regions.
The fact that any decisions are being made on the basis of some random public poll that was put out a few weeks ago is kind of troubling. Of course getting feedback from the community and gauging public opinion is good but directly translating it into decisions is very silly imo.
It's hard to say if the specific subset of people who happened to see the thread and respond to the poll is indicative of the more general consensus in the community, for all we know a bunch of pubbers on reddit found the thread and voted to unban everything because 'mewant epic unluck 8D'.
As awfully run as the invite meetings have been in the past, I think it definitely makes sense to prioritize the effects of these weapon bans/unbans with respect to the highest level of play, rather than simply going with public opinion and ending up with a bunch of open players jumping on a bandwagon without even having tested it themselves and realizing the effect it will have. More importantly, it's almost a completely different game at lower levels because play is so disorganized and chaotic, so it doesn't really make sense to try and balance around that.
I also find it laughable that the direct hit is even on the table like who in their right mind wants to ban that gun it's literally so terrible especially in the current meta of scouts playing around heals and being buffed all the time.
[quote=Dagger]we really making whitelists based on public polls?[/quote]
[quote=Starkie]i dont have a problem with any of the changes here but 37% of the vote shouldn't get an item unbanned imo[/quote]
Especially given that it's a public poll, such a small difference definitely should not be considered statistically significant. Seems that this was not very well thought out, and as much as I agree with banning the cow mangler (shit is just dumb and doesn't add anything interesting to the game), I feel like if this is actually to be the 'global whitelist' there should be proper meetings and discussions with the different league admins and players from different regions.
The fact that any decisions are being made on the basis of some random public poll that was put out a few weeks ago is kind of troubling. Of course getting feedback from the community and gauging public opinion is good but directly translating it into decisions is very silly imo.
It's hard to say if the specific subset of people who happened to see the thread and respond to the poll is indicative of the more general consensus in the community, for all we know a bunch of pubbers on reddit found the thread and voted to unban everything because 'mewant epic unluck 8D'.
As awfully run as the invite meetings have been in the past, I think it definitely makes sense to prioritize the effects of these weapon bans/unbans with respect to the highest level of play, rather than simply going with public opinion and ending up with a bunch of open players jumping on a bandwagon without even having tested it themselves and realizing the effect it will have. More importantly, it's almost a completely different game at lower levels because play is so disorganized and chaotic, so it doesn't really make sense to try and balance around that.
I also find it laughable that the direct hit is even on the table like who in their right mind wants to ban that gun it's literally so terrible especially in the current meta of scouts playing around heals and being buffed all the time.
Every weapon in the game is balanced to itself. Each has their own ups and downs. There is no "magic gun" that can guarantee your win. Fact is, if you would have watched any RGL match with b4nny (for example) you would come to realize what I now know for ages.
[b]Every weapon in the game is balanced to itself. Each has their own ups and downs. There is no "magic gun" that can guarantee your win. Fact is, if you would have watched any RGL match with b4nny (for example) you would come to realize what I now know for ages.[/b]
RandomTF2Every weapon in the game is balanced to itself. Each has their own ups and downs. There is no "magic gun" that can guarantee your win. Fact is, if you would have watched any RGL match with b4nny (for example) you would come to realize what I now know for ages.
What I'm coming to realize is that you're either 12 years old or a massive troll
[quote=RandomTF2][b]Every weapon in the game is balanced to itself. Each has their own ups and downs. There is no "magic gun" that can guarantee your win. Fact is, if you would have watched any RGL match with b4nny (for example) you would come to realize what I now know for ages.[/b][/quote]
What I'm coming to realize is that you're either 12 years old or a massive troll
Starkiei dont have a problem with any of the changes here but 37% of the vote shouldn't get an item unbanned imo
maybe I'm missing something, but why was the Atomizer even banned in the first place? cause I don't understand why 34% wants the weapon banned
[quote=Starkie]i dont have a problem with any of the changes here but 37% of the vote shouldn't get an item unbanned imo[/quote]
maybe I'm missing something, but why was the Atomizer even banned in the first place? cause I don't understand why 34% wants the weapon banned
TimTum
maybe I'm missing something, but why was the Atomizer even banned in the first place? cause I don't understand why 34% wants the weapon banned
it didnt require having it out for the third jump, it was beyond broken
[quote=TimTum]
maybe I'm missing something, but why was the Atomizer even banned in the first place? cause I don't understand why 34% wants the weapon banned[/quote]
it didnt require having it out for the third jump, it was beyond broken
MouldTimTum
maybe I'm missing something, but why was the Atomizer even banned in the first place? cause I don't understand why 34% wants the weapon banned
it didnt require having it out for the third jump, it was beyond broken
Yeah I understand it used to be broken, But this was updated more than one year ago. Why are people still voting to ban it now?
[quote=Mould][quote=TimTum]
maybe I'm missing something, but why was the Atomizer even banned in the first place? cause I don't understand why 34% wants the weapon banned[/quote]
it didnt require having it out for the third jump, it was beyond broken[/quote]
Yeah I understand it used to be broken, But this was updated more than one year ago. Why are people still voting to ban it now?
"Every weapon is balanced!" - RandomTF2
Vaccinator + bullet resistance = Sniper full charged hs around 30dmg
Blast resistance = demomam pipe around 17dmg
PRETTY BALANCED HELL.YEAH
"Every weapon is balanced!" - RandomTF2
Vaccinator + bullet resistance = Sniper full charged hs around 30dmg
Blast resistance = demomam pipe around 17dmg
PRETTY BALANCED HELL.YEAH
hellishh"Every weapon is balanced!" - RandomTF2
Vaccinator + bullet resistance = Sniper full charged hs around 30dmg
Blast resistance = demomam pipe around 17dmg
PRETTY BALANCED HELL.YEAH
Just play around it stupid 6s elitist
[quote=hellishh]"Every weapon is balanced!" - RandomTF2
Vaccinator + bullet resistance = Sniper full charged hs around 30dmg
Blast resistance = demomam pipe around 17dmg
PRETTY BALANCED HELL.YEAH[/quote]
Just play around it stupid 6s elitist