dbk89zombiezdbkif youre going to ban someone at least commit to it and keep them banned, especially in cases where its not like any new info came out. its a bad look.
His ban was changed to the next 3 matches in 6s and for the entirety of S4 HL, so hes still banned, just not for the rest of the 6s season.
Not sure how I feel about it, but they decided to give it to him soooo.
maybe im trippin but i dont see how with what he did the ban should apply so much lighter to 6s
Oh dont worry, I agree, but the admins gave it to him so what more can really be done?
[quote=dbk][quote=89zombiez][quote=dbk]if youre going to ban someone at least commit to it and keep them banned, especially in cases where its not like any new info came out. its a bad look.[/quote]
His ban was changed to the next 3 matches in 6s and for the entirety of S4 HL, so hes still banned, just not for the rest of the 6s season.
Not sure how I feel about it, but they decided to give it to him soooo.[/quote]
maybe im trippin but i dont see how with what he did the ban should apply so much lighter to 6s[/quote]
Oh dont worry, I agree, but the admins gave it to him so what more can really be done?
Be as vocal when he got banned. It sure worked the first time. So what if I say slurs is that one format thing or a league one??
Be as vocal when he got banned. It sure worked the first time. So what if I say slurs is that one format thing or a league one??
Should bowl's behavior to get him banned not result in a complete league ban as well? I don't see the logic of banning him from one game mode and not the other, if it was enough of an offense to ban him for an entire season of highlander why let him loose on 6s?
Also I totally agree with mustards post obviously, but I think it's also fair to get extra frustrated because of the sponsors thing. Yes, there were a myriad of other issues that led to lack of sponsorship and such, but it is especially sad that there was a chance for a sponsor and then platinum ruins it (this was years ago though, and I think a very top level player screaming the n word with a sponsor behind him is much more drastic than some stupid highlander kid being racist or disruptive). I don't think anyone is arguing the only reason to be against racism/slurs being said should be the selfish sponsor stuff, but at the same time obviously the more you discuss what would happen without it and go blaming it for the game's lack of growth, it seems you forget the real issue which is that the community should obviously just uphold its own moral standards and not be okay with this sort of behavior in the first place.
Should bowl's behavior to get him banned not result in a complete league ban as well? I don't see the logic of banning him from one game mode and not the other, if it was enough of an offense to ban him for an entire season of highlander why let him loose on 6s?
Also I totally agree with mustards post obviously, but I think it's also fair to get extra frustrated because of the sponsors thing. Yes, there were a myriad of other issues that led to lack of sponsorship and such, but it is especially sad that there was a chance for a sponsor and then platinum ruins it (this was years ago though, and I think a very top level player screaming the n word with a sponsor behind him is much more drastic than some stupid highlander kid being racist or disruptive). I don't think anyone is arguing the only reason to be against racism/slurs being said should be the selfish sponsor stuff, but at the same time obviously the more you discuss what would happen without it and go blaming it for the game's lack of growth, it seems you forget the real issue which is that the community should obviously just uphold its own moral standards and not be okay with this sort of behavior in the first place.
I feel stating that racism is inherently bad or immoral doesn't actually work towards changing people's views. Moral indignation or shaming from random people on the internet doesn't seem to change people's behavior, and a lot of the time it seems to make them more entrenched in their beliefs. My hope is that if people see not being racist is in there self interest hopefully at some point they will have realize the moral issues with racism, but I can see how purely talking about what is in peoples personal interest may make it seem I've missed these moral issues.
I feel stating that racism is inherently bad or immoral doesn't actually work towards changing people's views. Moral indignation or shaming from random people on the internet doesn't seem to change people's behavior, and a lot of the time it seems to make them more entrenched in their beliefs. My hope is that if people see not being racist is in there self interest hopefully at some point they will have realize the moral issues with racism, but I can see how purely talking about what is in peoples personal interest may make it seem I've missed these moral issues.
Bowl doesn't even care about highlander lol this ban hardly even affects him wtf
Bowl doesn't even care about highlander lol this ban hardly even affects him wtf
hey, can an rgl admin (daf) give me a reply? why are the bans so inconsistent, why is communicating with admins so limited and difficult? can you comment on the reasoning why bowl's ban was changed twice?
damage control isn't ignoring the community
hey, can an rgl admin (daf) give me a reply? why are the bans so inconsistent, why is communicating with admins so limited and difficult? can you comment on the reasoning why bowl's ban was changed twice?
damage control isn't ignoring the community
ok, ignore the fact that you were not involved in bowl's ban, you, as previously stated, are involved in all bans relevant to sixes in some way, but i'll take your word on this one. why are the guidelines for bans (for the same reason) so case-by-case when they are literally the same at face value. (one person alts, another person alts, yet they receive a different punishment.) i'd like for you to answer the other questions that I have as well.
edit: rgl admins handle bans in their respective leagues, hl admins handle hl bans, 6s admins handle 6s bans.
additionally, if you didn't handle this ban, i will assume that sigafoo was involved with it full-time, considering you're a 6s admin, not a hl admin. therefore, why hasn't sigafoo answered the questions of the community in the past threads that have been created in relation to bans? i'm not attempting to create drama here, i'm just concerned about the unfair treatment of players based on the personal relations of admin-player
edit 2: https://i.gyazo.com/a69c0d834b24524b3196695b62b0f603.png he's active on tftv, it seems he just chooses to answer the questions that do not taint rgl's public image, you can only ignore the criticisms from your playerbase for so long before the bomb explodes
edit 3: https://i.gyazo.com/7d070486b101839c4ab3972d7dd2e9c0.png i also hope that the rgl admins are not going back on their mission statement and making rash, unfair ban decisions. that would really hurt the image of an otherwise consistent and admirable league.
ok, ignore the fact that you were not involved in bowl's ban, you, as previously stated, are involved in all bans relevant to sixes in some way, but i'll take your word on this one. why are the guidelines for bans (for the same reason) so case-by-case when they are literally the same at face value. (one person alts, another person alts, yet they receive a different punishment.) i'd like for you to answer the other questions that I have as well.
edit: rgl admins handle bans in their respective leagues, hl admins handle hl bans, 6s admins handle 6s bans.
additionally, if you didn't handle this ban, i will assume that sigafoo was involved with it full-time, considering you're a 6s admin, not a hl admin. therefore, why hasn't sigafoo answered the questions of the community in the past threads that have been created in relation to bans? i'm not attempting to create drama here, i'm just concerned about the unfair treatment of players based on the personal relations of admin-player
edit 2: https://i.gyazo.com/a69c0d834b24524b3196695b62b0f603.png he's active on tftv, it seems he just chooses to answer the questions that do not taint rgl's public image, you can only ignore the criticisms from your playerbase for so long before the bomb explodes
edit 3: https://i.gyazo.com/7d070486b101839c4ab3972d7dd2e9c0.png i also hope that the rgl admins are not going back on their mission statement and making rash, unfair ban decisions. that would really hurt the image of an otherwise consistent and admirable league.
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hey remember when the sigafoo league did a bunch of stuff like this in the past like with pete and everyone talked about how we shouldnt play rgl because this was bound to happen again? its happening again
hey remember when the sigafoo league did a bunch of stuff like this in the past like with pete and everyone talked about how we shouldnt play rgl because this was bound to happen again? its happening again
I don't know anything about this bowl thing, but try asking sigafoo directly about whatever you have issues with.
discord @ sigafoo#0685
I don't know anything about this bowl thing, but try asking sigafoo directly about whatever you have issues with.
[quote]discord @ sigafoo#0685[/quote]
ggs broking you shall fall eventually
ggs broking you shall fall eventually
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RGL being inconsistent with bans? No OnE cOuLd HaVe SeEn ThIs CoMiNg.
RGL being inconsistent with bans? No OnE cOuLd HaVe SeEn ThIs CoMiNg.
itsgalfI don't know anything about this bowl thing, but try asking sigafoo directly about whatever you have issues with.
discord @ sigafoo#0685
sigafoo is a tiny baby man
[quote=itsgalf]I don't know anything about this bowl thing, but try asking sigafoo directly about whatever you have issues with.
[quote]discord @ sigafoo#0685[/quote][/quote]
sigafoo is a tiny baby man
our fault for choosing the path.
consequences ensue
our fault for choosing the path.
consequences ensue
If not for the inconsistency with bans, this league would be pretty great. It's understandable that the community would chose to give RGL a chance, none of the ban cringe has happened to me so I've enjoyed my experience thus far. I think that if admins got together and wrote up a big document detailing punishments for specific offences, they'd all be on the same page and things would be smooth sailing.
If player commits x offence then punishment is x. No gray area/admin relationship bullshit, easy as that.
If not for the inconsistency with bans, this league would be pretty great. It's understandable that the community would chose to give RGL a chance, none of the ban cringe has happened to me so I've enjoyed my experience thus far. I think that if admins got together and wrote up a big document detailing punishments for specific offences, they'd all be on the same page and things would be smooth sailing.
If player commits x offence then punishment is x. No gray area/admin relationship bullshit, easy as that.
tibbyIf player commits x offence then punishment is x. No gray area/admin relationship bullshit, easy as that.
the issue with this is that it is very hard to work on things in a black/white way. most situations fall under some gray area and so while admin discretion may be inconsistent at times, it is the most flexible system to account for varying situations. I definitely agree that personal feelings should be left out, and so a ban repeal system, a ban recording system on the admin side, and an open transparency to all information regarding the ban, would be key to monitoring that.
Ways to make this possible would be to have actual ban repeal on the official website thats archived instead of under the vague channel help in the rgl discord where things get deleted after you "resolve" the situation. in terms of transparency admins should be putting forth all proof as to why the ban occurred in this archived section on the official website, so it can be accessed at any time by both parties. There should also be all notes left regarding the ban (perhaps an admin portal on the website idk what you have currently) that allows other admins to open and review the ban repeal/post. and there should be some system regarding multiple admins going through and reviewing the bans to confirm fairness.
[quote=tibby]If player commits x offence then punishment is x. No gray area/admin relationship bullshit, easy as that.[/quote]
the issue with this is that it is very hard to work on things in a black/white way. most situations fall under some gray area and so while admin discretion may be inconsistent at times, it is the most flexible system to account for varying situations. I definitely agree that personal feelings should be left out, and so a ban repeal system, a ban recording system on the admin side, and an open transparency to all information regarding the ban, would be key to monitoring that.
Ways to make this possible would be to have actual ban repeal on the official website thats archived instead of under the vague channel help in the rgl discord where things get deleted after you "resolve" the situation. in terms of transparency admins should be putting forth all proof as to why the ban occurred in this archived section on the official website, so it can be accessed at any time by both parties. There should also be all notes left regarding the ban (perhaps an admin portal on the website idk what you have currently) that allows other admins to open and review the ban repeal/post. and there should be some system regarding multiple admins going through and reviewing the bans to confirm fairness.
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