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u guys can blame phorofor if he woulda just played medic for us none of thsi would have happened
u guys can blame phorofor if he woulda just played medic for us none of thsi would have happened
This is a really oddly put together article with a lot of information missing and incorrect. I was there from the near-beginning once staff started getting brought on and in just a short article there's quite a bit.... wrong.
Thankfully more people (alfa, mal, Tino, eXtine) actually involved in the event are giving better information on what did happen, but if this thread starts getting long enough who's gonna read it all to find out 'the real truth?'
Fun fact: dashnerr didn't initially want me on staff lol
This is a really oddly put together article with a lot of information missing and incorrect. I was there from the near-beginning once staff started getting brought on and in just a short article there's quite a bit.... wrong.
Thankfully more people (alfa, mal, Tino, eXtine) actually involved in the event are giving better information on what did happen, but if this thread starts getting long enough who's gonna read it all to find out 'the real truth?'
Fun fact: dashnerr didn't initially want me on staff lol
Thankfully more people (alfa, mal, Tino, eXtine) actually involved in the event are giving better information on what did happen, but if this thread starts getting long enough who's gonna read it all to find out 'the real truth?'
Fun fact: dashnerr didn't initially want me on staff lol
louster200Fun fact: dashnerr didn't initially want me on staff lol
Didn't want me as talent either, so I was going to be a replay assistant
[quote=louster200]Fun fact: dashnerr didn't initially want me on staff lol[/quote]
Didn't want me as talent either, so I was going to be a replay assistant
Didn't want me as talent either, so I was going to be a replay assistant
louster200This is a really oddly put together article with a lot of information missing and incorrect. I was there from the near-beginning once staff started getting brought on and in just a short article there's quite a bit.... wrong.
agreed, its a weird one and I think it was a bit rushed
[quote=louster200]This is a really oddly put together article with a lot of information missing and incorrect. I was there from the near-beginning once staff started getting brought on and in just a short article there's quite a bit.... wrong.
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agreed, its a weird one and I think it was a bit rushed
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agreed, its a weird one and I think it was a bit rushed
Dreamboatlouster200Fun fact: dashnerr didn't initially want me on staff lol
Didn't want me as talent either, so I was going to be a replay assistant
dashner just had it fucking OUT for a lot of people honestly
[quote=Dreamboat][quote=louster200]Fun fact: dashnerr didn't initially want me on staff lol[/quote]
Didn't want me as talent either, so I was going to be a replay assistant[/quote]
dashner just had it fucking OUT for a lot of people honestly
Didn't want me as talent either, so I was going to be a replay assistant[/quote]
dashner just had it fucking OUT for a lot of people honestly
louster200This is a really oddly put together article with a lot of information missing and incorrect. I was there from the near-beginning once staff started getting brought on and in just a short article there's quite a bit.... wrong.
Thankfully more people (alfa, mal, Tino, eXtine) actually involved in the event are giving better information on what did happen, but if this thread starts getting long enough who's gonna read it all to find out 'the real truth?'
you cant just say that and then not elaborate on what information is wrong
also half the people you mentioned are in disagreement with each other
[quote=louster200]This is a really oddly put together article with a lot of information missing and incorrect. I was there from the near-beginning once staff started getting brought on and in just a short article there's quite a bit.... wrong.
Thankfully more people (alfa, mal, Tino, eXtine) actually involved in the event are giving better information on what did happen, but if this thread starts getting long enough who's gonna read it all to find out 'the real truth?'
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you cant just say that and then not elaborate on what information is wrong
also half the people you mentioned are in disagreement with each other
Thankfully more people (alfa, mal, Tino, eXtine) actually involved in the event are giving better information on what did happen, but if this thread starts getting long enough who's gonna read it all to find out 'the real truth?'
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you cant just say that and then not elaborate on what information is wrong
also half the people you mentioned are in disagreement with each other
louster200This is a really oddly put together article with a lot of information missing and incorrect. I was there from the near-beginning once staff started getting brought on and in just a short article there's quite a bit.... wrong.
Thankfully more people (alfa, mal, Tino, eXtine) actually involved in the event are giving better information on what did happen, but if this thread starts getting long enough who's gonna read it all to find out 'the real truth?'
Fun fact: dashnerr didn't initially want me on staff lol
haha the classic "yeah this thread is wrong because i was there, but of course im not gonna elaborate on that ;)"
fuckin A man
[quote=louster200]This is a really oddly put together article with a lot of information missing and incorrect. I was there from the near-beginning once staff started getting brought on and in just a short article there's quite a bit.... wrong.
Thankfully more people (alfa, mal, Tino, eXtine) actually involved in the event are giving better information on what did happen, but if this thread starts getting long enough who's gonna read it all to find out 'the real truth?'
Fun fact: dashnerr didn't initially want me on staff lol[/quote]
haha the classic "yeah this thread is wrong because i was there, but of course im not gonna elaborate on that ;)"
fuckin A man
Thankfully more people (alfa, mal, Tino, eXtine) actually involved in the event are giving better information on what did happen, but if this thread starts getting long enough who's gonna read it all to find out 'the real truth?'
Fun fact: dashnerr didn't initially want me on staff lol[/quote]
haha the classic "yeah this thread is wrong because i was there, but of course im not gonna elaborate on that ;)"
fuckin A man
89zombiezlouster200This is a really oddly put together article with a lot of information missing and incorrect. I was there from the near-beginning once staff started getting brought on and in just a short article there's quite a bit.... wrong.
Thankfully more people (alfa, mal, Tino, eXtine) actually involved in the event are giving better information on what did happen, but if this thread starts getting long enough who's gonna read it all to find out 'the real truth?'
Fun fact: dashnerr didn't initially want me on staff lol
haha the classic "yeah this thread is wrong because i was there, but of course im not gonna elaborate on that ;)"
fuckin A man
Okay fine.
I’m not gonna fully elaborate on some of stuff brought up in this thread since Im not the main person involved in pretty much anything that did go south and I don’t want to contribute to more misinformation. But I can tell you that samiface cancelled the LAN using tsc dropping out as the main excuse when it was really her finding out that Console was going public with his story on dashnerr and exposing that samiface wanted Console to drop out of the LAN staff to protect dashnerr instead of outing an abuser. This was explained a little bit in Console original thread he has since taken down for “legal” reasons (per his word).
Alfa’s thread was just calling out poor decision making on tsc and sami’s front which is why Alfa is somehow pinned with being the “nail in the coffin” in the LAN. Nah, it was sami doing terrible things.
Also reminder that she cancelled the LAN after not consulting anybody on the staff and dropped the announcement with a few @heres in the discord channel and on page 6 of alfa’s thread. Unprofessional and abysmally handled.
[quote=89zombiez][quote=louster200]This is a really oddly put together article with a lot of information missing and incorrect. I was there from the near-beginning once staff started getting brought on and in just a short article there's quite a bit.... wrong.
Thankfully more people (alfa, mal, Tino, eXtine) actually involved in the event are giving better information on what did happen, but if this thread starts getting long enough who's gonna read it all to find out 'the real truth?'
Fun fact: dashnerr didn't initially want me on staff lol[/quote]
haha the classic "yeah this thread is wrong because i was there, but of course im not gonna elaborate on that ;)"
fuckin A man[/quote]
Okay fine.
I’m not gonna fully elaborate on some of stuff brought up in this thread since Im not the main person involved in pretty much anything that did go south and I don’t want to contribute to more misinformation. But I can tell you that samiface cancelled the LAN using tsc dropping out as the main excuse when it was really her finding out that Console was going public with his story on dashnerr and exposing that samiface wanted Console to drop out of the LAN staff to protect dashnerr instead of outing an abuser. This was explained a little bit in Console original thread he has since taken down for “legal” reasons (per his word).
Alfa’s thread was just calling out poor decision making on tsc and sami’s front which is why Alfa is somehow pinned with being the “nail in the coffin” in the LAN. Nah, it was sami doing terrible things.
Also reminder that she cancelled the LAN after not consulting anybody on the staff and dropped the announcement with a few @heres in the discord channel and on page 6 of alfa’s thread. Unprofessional and abysmally handled.
Thankfully more people (alfa, mal, Tino, eXtine) actually involved in the event are giving better information on what did happen, but if this thread starts getting long enough who's gonna read it all to find out 'the real truth?'
Fun fact: dashnerr didn't initially want me on staff lol[/quote]
haha the classic "yeah this thread is wrong because i was there, but of course im not gonna elaborate on that ;)"
fuckin A man[/quote]
Okay fine.
I’m not gonna fully elaborate on some of stuff brought up in this thread since Im not the main person involved in pretty much anything that did go south and I don’t want to contribute to more misinformation. But I can tell you that samiface cancelled the LAN using tsc dropping out as the main excuse when it was really her finding out that Console was going public with his story on dashnerr and exposing that samiface wanted Console to drop out of the LAN staff to protect dashnerr instead of outing an abuser. This was explained a little bit in Console original thread he has since taken down for “legal” reasons (per his word).
Alfa’s thread was just calling out poor decision making on tsc and sami’s front which is why Alfa is somehow pinned with being the “nail in the coffin” in the LAN. Nah, it was sami doing terrible things.
Also reminder that she cancelled the LAN after not consulting anybody on the staff and dropped the announcement with a few @heres in the discord channel and on page 6 of alfa’s thread. Unprofessional and abysmally handled.
didnt think it was possible but alfa is actually in the right tino
didnt think it was possible but alfa is actually in the right tino
louster200I can tell you that samiface cancelled the LAN using tsc dropping out as the main excuse
so the article was right pogchamp
when it was really her finding out that Console was going public with his story on dashnerr and exposing that samiface wanted Console to drop out of the LAN staff to protect dashnerr instead of outing an abuser. This was explained a little bit in Console original thread he has since taken down for “legal” reasons (per his word).
speculation smile, i guess tftv staff should just do what vnn does lmao
Alfa’s thread was just calling out poor decision making on tsc and sami’s front which is why Alfa is somehow pinned with being the “nail in the coffin” in the LAN. Nah, it was sami doing terrible things.
tsc has stated that the main reason he stepped down was due to the backlash. not saying the backlash was unjustified, but just because it wasn't justified doesnt mean it was not the reason
Also reminder that she cancelled the LAN after not consulting anybody on the staff and dropped the announcement with a few @heres in the discord channel and on page 6 of alfa’s thread. Unprofessional and abysmally handled.
damn the article mentioned samiface being professional i dont recall
[quote=louster200]I can tell you that samiface cancelled the LAN using tsc dropping out as the main excuse[/quote]
so the article was right pogchamp
[quote]when it was really her finding out that Console was going public with his story on dashnerr and exposing that samiface wanted Console to drop out of the LAN staff to protect dashnerr instead of outing an abuser. This was explained a little bit in Console original thread he has since taken down for “legal” reasons (per his word). [/quote]
speculation smile, i guess tftv staff should just do what vnn does lmao
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Alfa’s thread was just calling out poor decision making on tsc and sami’s front which is why Alfa is somehow pinned with being the “nail in the coffin” in the LAN. Nah, it was sami doing terrible things.
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tsc has stated that the main reason he stepped down was due to the backlash. not saying the backlash was unjustified, but just because it wasn't justified doesnt mean it was not the reason
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Also reminder that she cancelled the LAN after not consulting anybody on the staff and dropped the announcement with a few @heres in the discord channel and on page 6 of alfa’s thread. Unprofessional and abysmally handled.[/quote]
damn the article mentioned samiface being professional i dont recall
so the article was right pogchamp
[quote]when it was really her finding out that Console was going public with his story on dashnerr and exposing that samiface wanted Console to drop out of the LAN staff to protect dashnerr instead of outing an abuser. This was explained a little bit in Console original thread he has since taken down for “legal” reasons (per his word). [/quote]
speculation smile, i guess tftv staff should just do what vnn does lmao
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Alfa’s thread was just calling out poor decision making on tsc and sami’s front which is why Alfa is somehow pinned with being the “nail in the coffin” in the LAN. Nah, it was sami doing terrible things.
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tsc has stated that the main reason he stepped down was due to the backlash. not saying the backlash was unjustified, but just because it wasn't justified doesnt mean it was not the reason
[quote]
Also reminder that she cancelled the LAN after not consulting anybody on the staff and dropped the announcement with a few @heres in the discord channel and on page 6 of alfa’s thread. Unprofessional and abysmally handled.[/quote]
damn the article mentioned samiface being professional i dont recall
reakolouster200I can tell you that samiface cancelled the LAN using tsc dropping out as the main excuseso the article was right pogchamp
Not really? Something I tried to emphasize in my interview with Recurse is that Sami cancelling LAN was basically because she was the BTS contact and didn't see the LAN happening without her; after a bunch of stressors (dealing with my situation and dashner leaving, dealing with tsc leaving, having to find the 2 main roles for any LAN: tourney admin and broadcast director/producer) and personal stressors she decided to step down. This isn't speculation if you know these people and were behind the scenes, which is why people are coming forward to correct minor errors. Both you guys and the article are half right, half wrong on this one.
reakolouster200when it was really her finding out that Console was going public with his story on dashnerr and exposing that samiface wanted Console to drop out of the LAN staff to protect dashnerr instead of outing an abuser. This was explained a little bit in Console original thread he has since taken down for “legal” reasons (per his word).speculation smile, i guess tftv staff should just do what vnn does lmao
Once again, not speculation. This is shit lou knows because we co-lead NA and I tend to tell him things about my life and TF2 from time to time, especially when it is relevant to the scene or him.
reakolouster200Alfa’s thread was just calling out poor decision making on tsc and sami’s front which is why Alfa is somehow pinned with being the “nail in the coffin” in the LAN. Nah, it was sami doing terrible things.tsc has stated that the main reason he stepped down was due to the backlash. not saying the backlash was unjustified, but just because it wasn't justified doesnt mean it was not the reason
tsc did step down due to the harsh community backlash, however this was not the cause for LAN's death; Sami simply did not want to continue on dealing with tons of stress organizing this huge monstrosity without the same team she knew and trusted doing the Rewind series of events, that being Dashner and tsc.
I will say there are minor errors in the article that I gave more context to Recurse to and most have been fixed. I still disagree with calling me a Production Lead, seeing as I was only ever advising dashner on talent/production crew to pick up post-2016 since he was pretty out of the loop and had biases against some groups like ETF before I talked to him. I can understand that being technically true as I'm a production lead with TFTV and that's the org people seem to be associating with BTS for some reason?
[quote=reako][quote=louster200]I can tell you that samiface cancelled the LAN using tsc dropping out as the main excuse[/quote]
so the article was right pogchamp[/quote]
Not really? Something I tried to emphasize in my interview with Recurse is that Sami cancelling LAN was basically because she was the BTS contact and didn't see the LAN happening without her; after a bunch of stressors (dealing with my situation and dashner leaving, dealing with tsc leaving, having to find the 2 main roles for any LAN: tourney admin and broadcast director/producer) and personal stressors she decided to step down. This isn't speculation if you know these people and were behind the scenes, which is why people are coming forward to correct minor errors. Both you guys and the article are half right, half wrong on this one.
[quote=reako]
[quote=louster200]when it was really her finding out that Console was going public with his story on dashnerr and exposing that samiface wanted Console to drop out of the LAN staff to protect dashnerr instead of outing an abuser. This was explained a little bit in Console original thread he has since taken down for “legal” reasons (per his word). [/quote]
speculation smile, i guess tftv staff should just do what vnn does lmao
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Once again, not speculation. This is shit lou knows because we co-lead NA and I tend to tell him things about my life and TF2 from time to time, especially when it is relevant to the scene or him.
[quote=reako][quote=louster200]Alfa’s thread was just calling out poor decision making on tsc and sami’s front which is why Alfa is somehow pinned with being the “nail in the coffin” in the LAN. Nah, it was sami doing terrible things.[/quote]
tsc has stated that the main reason he stepped down was due to the backlash. not saying the backlash was unjustified, but just because it wasn't justified doesnt mean it was not the reason[/quote]
tsc did step down due to the harsh community backlash, however this was not the cause for LAN's death; Sami simply did not want to continue on dealing with tons of stress organizing this huge monstrosity without the same team she knew and trusted doing the Rewind series of events, that being Dashner and tsc.
I will say there are minor errors in the article that I gave more context to Recurse to and most have been fixed. I still disagree with calling me a Production Lead, seeing as I was only ever advising dashner on talent/production crew to pick up post-2016 since he was pretty out of the loop and had biases against some groups like ETF before I talked to him. I can understand that being technically true as I'm a production lead with TFTV and that's the org people seem to be associating with BTS for some reason?
so the article was right pogchamp[/quote]
Not really? Something I tried to emphasize in my interview with Recurse is that Sami cancelling LAN was basically because she was the BTS contact and didn't see the LAN happening without her; after a bunch of stressors (dealing with my situation and dashner leaving, dealing with tsc leaving, having to find the 2 main roles for any LAN: tourney admin and broadcast director/producer) and personal stressors she decided to step down. This isn't speculation if you know these people and were behind the scenes, which is why people are coming forward to correct minor errors. Both you guys and the article are half right, half wrong on this one.
[quote=reako]
[quote=louster200]when it was really her finding out that Console was going public with his story on dashnerr and exposing that samiface wanted Console to drop out of the LAN staff to protect dashnerr instead of outing an abuser. This was explained a little bit in Console original thread he has since taken down for “legal” reasons (per his word). [/quote]
speculation smile, i guess tftv staff should just do what vnn does lmao
[/quote]
Once again, not speculation. This is shit lou knows because we co-lead NA and I tend to tell him things about my life and TF2 from time to time, especially when it is relevant to the scene or him.
[quote=reako][quote=louster200]Alfa’s thread was just calling out poor decision making on tsc and sami’s front which is why Alfa is somehow pinned with being the “nail in the coffin” in the LAN. Nah, it was sami doing terrible things.[/quote]
tsc has stated that the main reason he stepped down was due to the backlash. not saying the backlash was unjustified, but just because it wasn't justified doesnt mean it was not the reason[/quote]
tsc did step down due to the harsh community backlash, however this was not the cause for LAN's death; Sami simply did not want to continue on dealing with tons of stress organizing this huge monstrosity without the same team she knew and trusted doing the Rewind series of events, that being Dashner and tsc.
I will say there are minor errors in the article that I gave more context to Recurse to and most have been fixed. I still disagree with calling me a Production Lead, seeing as I was only ever advising dashner on talent/production crew to pick up post-2016 since he was pretty out of the loop and had biases against some groups like ETF before I talked to him. I can understand that being technically true as I'm a production lead with TFTV and that's the org people seem to be associating with BTS for some reason?
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