Willsalec_This Wills guy is really stupid and persistent
Haha I guess you're right :P
I suppose I just don't like the bullying atmosphere, or the glee that clearly stems from seeing misfortune fall upon someone else.
And I *really* don't like the "Guilty until proven innocent" vibe floating around.
But I'd rather have you guys shit on me rather than Moose anyway, so it's fine XD
wills it's not that we don't like you (g00dj0ke) or anything it's that you're making an argument sort of revolving around the fact that "well he said he didn't do anything so he must have not done anything and the fact that he is a figure in a position of authority indicates that there's no way that he could have done this!" you can't really discount the idea that there might be more to this story than what he's letting on just b/c he's an admin or whatever.
[quote=Wills][quote=alec_]This Wills guy is really stupid and persistent[/quote]
Haha I guess you're right :P
I suppose I just don't like the bullying atmosphere, or the glee that clearly stems from seeing misfortune fall upon someone else.
And I *really* don't like the "Guilty until proven innocent" vibe floating around.
But I'd rather have you guys shit on me rather than Moose anyway, so it's fine XD[/quote]
wills it's not that we don't like you (g00dj0ke) or anything it's that you're making an argument sort of revolving around the fact that "well he said he didn't do anything so he must have not done anything and the fact that he is a figure in a position of authority indicates that there's no way that he could have done this!" you can't really discount the idea that there might be more to this story than what he's letting on just b/c he's an admin or whatever.
Willswahwahwah
Your posts would probably be a lot more appreciated if they weren't all drowning in passive-aggressive self-pity.
Just a thought.
[quote=Wills]wahwahwah[/quote] Your posts would probably be a lot more appreciated if they weren't all drowning in passive-aggressive self-pity.
Just a thought.
Saber
wills it's not that we don't like you or anything it's that you're making an argument sort of revolving around the fact that "well he said he didn't do anything so he must have not done anything and the fact that he is a figure in a position of authority indicates that there's no way that he could have done this!" you can't really discount the idea that there might be more to this story than what he's letting on just b/c he's an admin or whatever.
and for the record minus frags don't actually mean anything, sometimes it's just being in the wrong place at the wrong time
also +frags stroke my ego
If that's what you think my argument is, no wonder I'm getting -fragged so bad, haha
All I'm saying is that we don't know what happened, and as such, making the immediate assumption "He cheated" is not fair. I don't know whether or not he cheated, but if he claims he did not, who am I to call him a liar?
If he did cheat then all the more shame on him for lying about it, but I'm not going to back down from my position. The only information we have is a VACban and his word, and I know which one I trust more.
I promise that I'm not self-pitying or passive-aggressive, haha, I'm just a nice, trusting guy :)
[quote=Saber]
wills it's not that we don't like you or anything it's that you're making an argument sort of revolving around the fact that "well he said he didn't do anything so he must have not done anything and the fact that he is a figure in a position of authority indicates that there's no way that he could have done this!" you can't really discount the idea that there might be more to this story than what he's letting on just b/c he's an admin or whatever.
and for the record minus frags don't actually mean anything, sometimes it's just being in the wrong place at the wrong time
also +frags stroke my ego[/quote]
If that's what you think my argument is, no wonder I'm getting -fragged so bad, haha
All I'm saying is that we don't know what happened, and as such, making the immediate assumption "He cheated" is not fair. I don't know whether or not he cheated, but if he claims he did not, who am I to call him a liar?
If he did cheat then all the more shame on him for lying about it, but I'm not going to back down from my position. The only information we have is a VACban and his word, and I know which one I trust more.
I promise that I'm not self-pitying or passive-aggressive, haha, I'm just a nice, trusting guy :)
WillsIf Moose says he wasn't hacking, I believe him.He plays medic in UGC Gold, ffsHe has 18 drops this season, with 3 in the last two weeks he played.
WillsIt would be very strange for Moose to waste his time "hacking" in pubs; he's a respected member of the TF2 community (outside of this group hug-and-tug) and probably is aware of how VAC bans work. If he was going to hack, why do so in a meaningless environment?
WillsMoose isn't a troll, so if he were to hack, I'd imagine he'd do it in a match.That said, Moose really doesn't seem like the type to hack just for a win; The Regime was run legit, and though his team (and he himself) might not be doing as well as he'd like, I just seriously doubt he'd go to the lengths of hacking just to do better.
Wills I just feel it would be very strange for someone as high Profile as Moose to start hacking in a server. Not even on an alt or anything? Doesn't really make sense for such a senior UGC admin.
all im getting is that he's admin and high up so he can't be hacking
what else do we assume from him being VAC banned? did he take a nap and his friend who knows about hacks go on his account?
[quote=Wills]If Moose says he wasn't hacking, I believe him.He plays medic in UGC Gold, ffsHe has 18 drops this season, with 3 in the last two weeks he played. [/quote]
[quote=Wills]It would be very strange for Moose to waste his time "hacking" in pubs; he's a respected member of the TF2 community (outside of this group hug-and-tug) and probably is aware of how VAC bans work. If he was going to hack, why do so in a meaningless environment?[/quote]
[quote=Wills]Moose isn't a troll, so if he were to hack, I'd imagine he'd do it in a match.That said, Moose really doesn't seem like the type to hack just for a win; The Regime was run legit, and though his team (and he himself) might not be doing as well as he'd like, I just seriously doubt he'd go to the lengths of hacking just to do better.[/quote]
[quote=Wills] I just feel it would be very strange for someone as high Profile as Moose to start hacking in a server. Not even on an alt or anything? Doesn't really make sense for such a senior UGC admin.[/quote]
all im getting is that he's admin and high up so he can't be hacking
what else do we assume from him being VAC banned? did he take a nap and his friend who knows about hacks go on his account?
hez UGC gold MEdic guise itz okay
hez UGC gold MEdic guise itz okay
what chu talkin bout, wills?
what chu talkin bout, wills?
I don't get it, why is it so hard to believe that he hacked? People trying to justify it or defend it are being pretty ignorant. I have no idea who moose is, but a vac ban is a vac ban, and those happen because cheating.
I don't get it, why is it so hard to believe that he hacked? People trying to justify it or defend it are being pretty ignorant. I have no idea who moose is, but a vac ban is a vac ban, and those happen because cheating.
WillsThe only information we have is a VACban and his word, and I know which one I trust more.
i lost it
[quote=Wills]The only information we have is a VACban and his word, and I know which one I trust more.[/quote] i lost it
AddOil
all im getting is that he's admin and high up so he can't be hacking
what else do we assume from him being VAC banned? did he take a nap and his friend who knows about hacks go on his account?
You literally made a tf.tv account just to troll me here instead of UGC...I am impressed at your tenacity!
As mentioned by others, the reasons for his ban could range from "Mistake" to "Hack by someone else".
All we know is that Moose claims innocence.
[quote=AddOil]
all im getting is that he's admin and high up so he can't be hacking
what else do we assume from him being VAC banned? did he take a nap and his friend who knows about hacks go on his account?[/quote]
You literally made a tf.tv account just to troll me here instead of UGC...I am impressed at your tenacity!
As mentioned by others, the reasons for his ban could range from "Mistake" to "Hack by someone else".
All we know is that Moose claims innocence.
every hacker claims innocence.
every hacker claims innocence.
People don't often admit to hacking man.
People don't often admit to hacking man.
Guys moose must have been framed he's a ugc admin and gold medic! Somebody must have downloaded hacks on his comp because hackers always come out and say they hack and we all know the vac system bans make soooooo many mistakes
Guys moose must have been framed he's a ugc admin and gold medic! Somebody must have downloaded hacks on his comp because hackers always come out and say they hack and we all know the vac system bans make soooooo many mistakes
WillsAddOil
all im getting is that he's admin and high up so he can't be hacking
what else do we assume from him being VAC banned? did he take a nap and his friend who knows about hacks go on his account?
You literally made a tf.tv account just to troll me here instead of UGC...I am impressed at your tenacity!
As mentioned by others, the reasons for his ban could range from "Mistake" to "Hack by someone else".
All we know is that Moose claims innocence.
read spuf's vac section and you'll see how many people claimed innocence only to be outed by a valve admin who looked up their ban.
[quote=Wills][quote=AddOil]
all im getting is that he's admin and high up so he can't be hacking
what else do we assume from him being VAC banned? did he take a nap and his friend who knows about hacks go on his account?[/quote]
You literally made a tf.tv account just to troll me here instead of UGC...I am impressed at your tenacity!
As mentioned by others, the reasons for his ban could range from "Mistake" to "Hack by someone else".
All we know is that Moose claims innocence.[/quote]
read spuf's vac section and you'll see how many people claimed innocence only to be outed by a valve admin who looked up their ban.
Wills You literally made a tf.tv account just to troll me here instead of UGC...I am impressed at your tenacity!
all you have to do is sign onto steam...
[quote=Wills] You literally made a tf.tv account just to troll me here instead of UGC...I am impressed at your tenacity![/quote]
all you have to do is sign onto steam...
dashtmread spuf's vac section and you'll see how many people claimed innocence only to be outed by a valve admin who looked up their ban.
The second he is outed I will rescind my position, apologizing for defending him and wasting everyone's time, but until then there's nothing that'll change my mind.
I haven't always agreed with him, but I'm not gonna call him a liar without evidence.
[quote=dashtm]
read spuf's vac section and you'll see how many people claimed innocence only to be outed by a valve admin who looked up their ban.[/quote]
The second he is outed I will rescind my position, apologizing for defending him and wasting everyone's time, but until then there's nothing that'll change my mind.
I haven't always agreed with him, but I'm not gonna call him a liar without evidence.
Casual reckons there was a banwave for the Aim Junkies cheat about a week ago. So it was probably that.
Casual reckons there was a banwave for the Aim Junkies cheat about a week ago. So it was probably that.
WillisThe only information we have is a VACban and his word, and I know which one I trust more.
An automated system that bans when someone uses cheats or someone's word? Yup I know what I trust more
[quote=Willis]
The only information we have is a VACban and his word, and I know which one I trust more.
[/quote]
An automated system that bans when someone uses cheats or someone's word? Yup I know what I trust more
i think my favorite part about it is how every post about it that has come up on the UGC forums has been deleted
i think my favorite part about it is how every post about it that has come up on the UGC forums has been deleted
Go post on esea forums that I hack, I'm curious what will happen.
Go post on esea forums that I hack, I'm curious what will happen.
djci think my favorite part about it is how every post about it that has come up on the UGC forums has been deleted
One thread that got completely off-topic had the posts deleted :P
[quote=djc]i think my favorite part about it is how every post about it that has come up on the UGC forums has been deleted[/quote]
One thread that got completely off-topic had the posts deleted :P
djci think my favorite part about it is how every post about it that has come up on the UGC forums has been deleted
and yet somehow we're accused of being a circlejerk
[quote=djc]i think my favorite part about it is how every post about it that has come up on the UGC forums has been deleted[/quote]
and yet somehow we're accused of being a circlejerk
Willsdjci think my favorite part about it is how every post about it that has come up on the UGC forums has been deleted
One thread that got completely off-topic had the posts deleted :P
the thread is a fucking Q&A thread of a UGC admin. how was the question i asked of him off-topic?
[quote=Wills][quote=djc]i think my favorite part about it is how every post about it that has come up on the UGC forums has been deleted[/quote]
One thread that got completely off-topic had the posts deleted :P[/quote]
the thread is a fucking Q&A thread of a UGC admin. how was the question i asked of him off-topic?
Willsdjci think my favorite part about it is how every post about it that has come up on the UGC forums has been deleted
One thread that got completely off-topic had the posts deleted :P
ok but does the fact that there were off-topic posts allow an admin to delete the post
it implies that the opinion presented is useless and shouldn't be seen
[quote=Wills][quote=djc]i think my favorite part about it is how every post about it that has come up on the UGC forums has been deleted[/quote]
One thread that got completely off-topic had the posts deleted :P[/quote]
ok but does the fact that there were off-topic posts allow an admin to delete the post
it implies that the opinion presented is useless and shouldn't be seen
SaberWillsdjci think my favorite part about it is how every post about it that has come up on the UGC forums has been deleted
One thread that got completely off-topic had the posts deleted :P
ok but does the fact that there were off-topic posts allow an admin to delete the post
it implies that the opinion presented is useless and shouldn't be seen
It was his personal Q & A thread, he can make whatever calls he likes there. The topic was completely de-railed from what the thread was supposed to be about.
Furthermore, Moose answered djc's "question" right away, saying that he *wouldn't* use an alt even if he was allowed.
[quote=Saber][quote=Wills][quote=djc]i think my favorite part about it is how every post about it that has come up on the UGC forums has been deleted[/quote]
One thread that got completely off-topic had the posts deleted :P[/quote]
ok but does the fact that there were off-topic posts allow an admin to delete the post
it implies that the opinion presented is useless and shouldn't be seen[/quote]
It was his personal Q & A thread, he can make whatever calls he likes there. The topic was completely de-railed from what the thread was supposed to be about.
Furthermore, Moose answered djc's "question" right away, saying that he *wouldn't* use an alt even if he was allowed.
Willsdjci think my favorite part about it is how every post about it that has come up on the UGC forums has been deleted
One thread that got completely off-topic had the posts deleted :P
I just went to that shit-hole forum to see an argument about Reaganomics and yet couldn't find anything even related (let alone a thread dedicated) to one of the admins suddenly coming up with a VAC ban. How much kool-aid do you have to drink before you go blind?
[quote=Wills][quote=djc]i think my favorite part about it is how every post about it that has come up on the UGC forums has been deleted[/quote]
One thread that got completely off-topic had the posts deleted :P[/quote]
I just went to that shit-hole forum to see an argument about Reaganomics and yet couldn't find anything even related (let alone a thread dedicated) to one of the admins suddenly coming up with a VAC ban. How much kool-aid do you have to drink before you go blind?
so if moose answered my question, which is a rather important question to ask, why was that too deleted?
so if moose answered my question, which is a rather important question to ask, why was that too deleted?
SaberyumOJAs Moose's pyro this season, I guarantee you he wasn't wallhacking in any matches or scrims...
OHHHHHH I GET THE JOKE is this an oblique reference to when he dropped to a backburner pyro at steel A
That's not a thing that happened this season. It was more of a reference to the amount of unneeded dying that went on.
[quote=Saber][quote=yumOJ]As Moose's pyro this season, I guarantee you he wasn't wallhacking in any matches or scrims...[/quote]
OHHHHHH I GET THE JOKE is this an oblique reference to when he dropped to a backburner pyro at steel A[/quote]
That's not a thing that happened this season. It was more of a reference to the amount of unneeded dying that went on.
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djcso if moose answered my question, which is a rather important question to ask, why was that too deleted?
Beause he didn't want that discussion happening on his thread. He deleted your, mine, AND Moose's comments. Start a new thread if you want to discuss it so badly :P
[quote=djc]so if moose answered my question, which is a rather important question to ask, why was that too deleted?[/quote]
Beause he didn't want that discussion happening on his thread. He deleted your, mine, AND Moose's comments. Start a new thread if you want to discuss it so badly :P
This is a matter for the incisive probing of Salamancer on Fully Charged.
This is a matter for the incisive probing of Salamancer on Fully Charged.