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#181
21 Frags +

good god wills I hate to say it but that was probably the most passive aggressive way you could possibly respond to spamfest's post

good god wills I hate to say it but that was probably the most passive aggressive way you could possibly respond to spamfest's post
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#182
13 Frags +
WillsLook if you want to call someone a liar for very meager reasons other than an unexplained VAC ban, feel free to. However, stop acting like I should be as accusatory as you are, and stop acting like I'm a monster for thinking the VAC ban might not be legitimate. To be more specific, please stop saying stuff like:

No, your problem is that you're giving outstandingly shitty points as to why you think he's not hacking and, rather than keeping that to yourself, you're trying to convince everyone that you're right and Moose wasn't hacking.

Personally, I don't think Moose was hacking only because I know him. But the man already gave his explanation to let people think for themselves. Honestly? VAC ban indicates the EXTREME likelihood of hacking. It can be a mistake, but very rarely. I do not at all blame people for believing he hacked, as doing so would be retarded.

[quote=Wills]Look if you want to call someone a liar for very meager reasons other than an unexplained VAC ban, feel free to. However, stop acting like I should be as accusatory as you are, and stop acting like I'm a monster for thinking the VAC ban might not be legitimate. To be more specific, please stop saying stuff like:[/quote]

No, your problem is that you're giving outstandingly shitty points as to why you think he's not hacking and, rather than keeping that to yourself, you're trying to convince everyone that you're right and Moose wasn't hacking.

Personally, I don't think Moose was hacking only because I know him. But the man already gave his explanation to let people think for themselves. Honestly? VAC ban indicates the EXTREME likelihood of hacking. It can be a mistake, but very rarely. I do not at all blame people for believing he hacked, as doing so would be retarded.
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#183
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mustardoverlordgood god wills I hate to say it but that was probably the most passive aggressive way you could possibly respond to spamfest's post

lol I know, that was actually pretty bad haha

But I like the use of "retard", it seems so...fitting, you know?

EDIT: Already got one more!

[quote=mustardoverlord]good god wills I hate to say it but that was probably the most passive aggressive way you could possibly respond to spamfest's post[/quote]

lol I know, that was actually pretty bad haha

But I like the use of "retard", it seems so...fitting, you know?

EDIT: Already got one more!
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#184
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Willsmustardoverlordgood god wills I hate to say it but that was probably the most passive aggressive way you could possibly respond to spamfest's post
lol I know, that was actually pretty bad haha

But I like the use of "retard", it seems so...fitting, you know?

i think you just surpassed your previous level of passive aggressiveness

fucking incredible

[quote=Wills][quote=mustardoverlord]good god wills I hate to say it but that was probably the most passive aggressive way you could possibly respond to spamfest's post[/quote]

lol I know, that was actually pretty bad haha

But I like the use of "retard", it seems so...fitting, you know?[/quote]
i think you just surpassed your previous level of passive aggressiveness

fucking incredible
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#185
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1:48 PM - Max!: i could see them locking it though
1:48 PM - rip5.downpour: l0l
1:49 PM - rip5.downpour: if UGC locks it
1:49 PM - rip5.downpour: they're a joke
1:49 PM - rip5.downpour: legitimate questions about an actual problem
1:49 PM - rip5.downpour: instead of pointless bitching on their forums
1:49 PM - rip5.downpour: THEN AGAIN
1:49 PM - rip5.downpour: this is United Gaming Clans
[quote]1:48 PM - Max!: i could see them locking it though
1:48 PM - rip5.downpour: l0l
1:49 PM - rip5.downpour: if UGC locks it
1:49 PM - rip5.downpour: they're a joke
1:49 PM - rip5.downpour: legitimate questions about an actual problem
1:49 PM - rip5.downpour: instead of pointless bitching on their forums
1:49 PM - rip5.downpour: THEN AGAIN
1:49 PM - rip5.downpour: this is United Gaming Clans
[/quote]
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#186
8 Frags +

http://ugcleague.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6418

please share your thoughts about needless thread locking/deletion here

http://ugcleague.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6418

please share your thoughts about needless thread locking/deletion here
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#187
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WillsRawrSpoon
That's because you reiterate the same points over and over, ignoring any counterpoints. At some point you have to wonder if the person you're arguing with is retarded.

It's because I only have one point :)
And while the counter-points may indeed range from "All hackers lie" to "Wills is retarded", none of them have really "proven" anything. As I said about 100 posts ago, we really don't know what happened so we'll have to wait and see!
Neither side has proof; you have a VAC ban and speculation, I have trust and a man's word.

Here's the counter-point: expecting him to have actually been banned for openplugin is gullible at least and ignorant at most. There is no cascade of other players posting that they have recently been VACd as well for the plugin and given its prevalence in europe it is improbable that moose is the sole person being banned by VAC as some sort of bellwether to the TF2 community that the plugin won't be tolerated. It is fact that it is much more likely that he used one of the many hacks that are now being banned in droves by VAC as several people in this thread have already pointed out. VAC is an automated system and moose is not even a high profile player by any means, just because you look up to him in UGC gold from your UGC gutter trash division does not actually mean he's good at this game or actually high profile. Just because "he's an admin, he wouldn't do that" and other appeals to authority make sense in your chromosome flooded bog that some might refer to as a mind does not mean that isn't actually a logical fallacy nonetheless.

If you want to continue believing his paper thin excuse in the face of what is objective reality, you're welcome to do so. However, do not continue acting like there is any logical validity to it or that you are anything other than gullible.

[quote=Wills][quote=RawrSpoon]

That's because you reiterate the same points over and over, ignoring any counterpoints. At some point you have to wonder if the person you're arguing with is retarded.[/quote]

It's because I only have one point :)
And while the counter-points may indeed range from "All hackers lie" to "Wills is retarded", none of them have really "proven" anything. As I said about 100 posts ago, we really don't know what happened so we'll have to wait and see!
Neither side has proof; you have a VAC ban and speculation, I have trust and a man's word.[/quote]

Here's the counter-point: expecting him to have actually been banned for openplugin is gullible at least and ignorant at most. There is no cascade of other players posting that they have recently been VACd as well for the plugin and given its prevalence in europe it is improbable that moose is the sole person being banned by VAC as some sort of bellwether to the TF2 community that the plugin won't be tolerated. It is fact that it is much more likely that he used one of the many hacks that are now being banned in droves by VAC as several people in this thread have already pointed out. VAC is an automated system and moose is not even a high profile player by any means, just because you look up to him in UGC gold from your UGC gutter trash division does not actually mean he's good at this game or actually high profile. Just because "he's an admin, he wouldn't do that" and other appeals to authority make sense in your chromosome flooded bog that some might refer to as a mind does not mean that isn't actually a logical fallacy nonetheless.

If you want to continue believing his paper thin excuse in the face of what is objective reality, you're welcome to do so. However, do not continue acting like there is any logical validity to it or that you are anything other than gullible.
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#188
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RawrSpoonNo, your problem is that you're giving outstandingly shitty points as to why you think he's not hacking and, rather than keeping that to yourself, you're trying to convince everyone that you're right and Moose wasn't hacking.

Personally, I don't think Moose was hacking only because I know him. But the man already gave his explanation to let people think for themselves. Honestly? VAC ban indicates the EXTREME likelihood of hacking. It can be a mistake, but very rarely. I do not at all blame people for believing he hacked, as doing so would be retarded.

Just to confirm, even when you agree with me that he's not hacking, you are still going to go out of your way to bash on me? Just making sure the UGC forums rules still apply here too ;)

Points is plural, I only have one! I don't need to convince anyone really, I just don't think it's fair to call someone a liar just because you don't like him and his league.
This is taking up too much time anyway! See you guys around, and try to come up with something better than "retard" next time, eh?
Enjoy the gorgeous weather! Especially in the North-East :)

[quote=RawrSpoon]
No, your problem is that you're giving outstandingly shitty points as to why you think he's not hacking and, rather than keeping that to yourself, you're trying to convince everyone that you're right and Moose wasn't hacking.

Personally, I don't think Moose was hacking only because I know him. But the man already gave his explanation to let people think for themselves. Honestly? VAC ban indicates the EXTREME likelihood of hacking. It can be a mistake, but very rarely. I do not at all blame people for believing he hacked, as doing so would be retarded.[/quote]

Just to confirm, even when you agree with me that he's not hacking, you are still going to go out of your way to bash on me? Just making sure the UGC forums rules still apply here too ;)

Points is plural, I only have one! I don't need to convince anyone really, I just don't think it's fair to call someone a liar just because you don't like him and his league.
This is taking up too much time anyway! See you guys around, and try to come up with something better than "retard" next time, eh?
Enjoy the gorgeous weather! Especially in the North-East :)
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#189
26 Frags +

Stop being so mean to Wills

I'm pretty sure he's like 8 years old

Stop being so mean to Wills

I'm pretty sure he's like 8 years old
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#190
10 Frags +

I think you're making this whole situation much worse for yourself, moose, and UGC. It really would have been better if you didn't say anything.

I think you're making this whole situation much worse for yourself, moose, and UGC. It really would have been better if you didn't say anything.
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#191
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If defiance and raheem were admins this clown would have been banned 4 pages ago.

If defiance and raheem were admins this clown would have been banned 4 pages ago.
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#192
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mustardoverlordhttp://ugcleague.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6418

please share your thoughts about needless thread locking/deletion here

awesome.

so threads that question the status quo of ugc and/or admin decisions are inherently "bad"?

that sounds like scientology labeling those who don't agree with them as child molesters and thiefs
[quote=mustardoverlord]http://ugcleague.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6418

please share your thoughts about needless thread locking/deletion here[/quote]

awesome.

[quote]so threads that question the status quo of ugc and/or admin decisions are inherently "bad"?

that sounds like scientology labeling those who don't agree with them as child molesters and thiefs[/quote]
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#193
3 Frags +

also, wills:

posting this much, in this way only makes you look like the "friend" who "downloaded hacks" and played with them on his account while he was "sleeping"

chill out. if the truth comes out, and he did NOT cheat, great. but until then, stop posting the same thing every 2 seconds on every thread about this across the internet.

also, wills:

posting this much, in this way only makes you look like the "friend" who "downloaded hacks" and played with them on his account while he was "sleeping"

chill out. if the truth comes out, and he did NOT cheat, great. but until then, stop posting the same thing every 2 seconds on every thread about this across the internet.
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#194
6 Frags +
WillsJust to confirm, even when you agree with me that he's not hacking, you are still going to go out of your way to bash on me? Just making sure the UGC forums rules still apply here too ;)

This just in, agreeing with someone means you can't call him retarded.

[quote=Wills]Just to confirm, even when you agree with me that he's not hacking, you are still going to go out of your way to bash on me? Just making sure the UGC forums rules still apply here too ;)[/quote]
This just in, agreeing with someone means you can't call him retarded.
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#195
2 Frags +

So Willis, you are defending what moose has said, yes? This means that you believe valve has cherry picked moose to ban for using a plugin that probably hundreds of people use, yes? Just so you know, the only time an arbitrary VAC ban like this happened was 3 years ago, during the engineer update.

So Willis, you are defending what moose has said, yes? This means that you believe valve has cherry picked moose to ban for using a plugin that probably hundreds of people use, yes? Just so you know, the only time an arbitrary VAC ban like this happened was 3 years ago, during the engineer update.
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#196
40 Frags +

why is it that every time someone is found to be a hacker
1) the hacker stops posting
2) his idiot "friend" who nobody has ever heard of speaks in his place as if he was him

why is it that every time someone is found to be a hacker
1) the hacker stops posting
2) his idiot "friend" who nobody has ever heard of speaks in his place as if he was him
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#197
10 Frags +

actaully wills is an established...personality in the ugc forums

actaully wills is an established...personality in the ugc forums
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#198
-21 Frags +
MR_SLINwhy is it that every time someone is found to be a hacker
1) the hacker stops posting
2) his idiot "friend" who nobody has ever heard of speaks in his place as if he was him

Hey, at least Slin can think of a word other than "retard" :P

I never should have commented in the first place. Whatever, I'm really done now! Promise ;)

[quote=MR_SLIN]why is it that every time someone is found to be a hacker
1) the hacker stops posting
2) his idiot "friend" who nobody has ever heard of speaks in his place as if he was him[/quote]

Hey, at least Slin can think of a word other than "retard" :P

I never should have commented in the first place. Whatever, I'm really done now! Promise ;)
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#199
10 Frags +

$

$
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#200
24 Frags +

"Chromosome flooded bog" was downright poetic. Kudos.

"Chromosome flooded bog" was downright poetic. Kudos.
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#201
6 Frags +
aykarinMR_SLINwhy is it that every time someone is found to be a hacker
1) the hacker stops posting
2) his idiot "friend" who nobody has ever heard of speaks in his place as if he was him

I don't think he's speaking in his place. Nor do I think he's an idiot. In fact, the reaction to him is quite immature: all insults and no explanation.

I think that he probably has seen Moose helping out a lot around a variety of forums, being a nice guy (a rarity in competitive TF2) and can't quite reconcile the fact that good, helpful people can also hack and cheat.

No need to insult anyone, is there?

While I don't agree with the name calling, it's easy to see that everyone has gotten frustrated with him because despite their clear arguments against what he is saying (i.e. he DID get vac banned, so he probably cheated, etc.), he has reiterated the same argument, "Oh, but he's a nice guy and important in the community. He'd NEVER cheat because of that", and not say anything to contradict the opposing arguments.

Also, Wills, cut the bullshit with the smiley faces. It only makes your posts seem more patronizing and passive-aggressive. Seriously, you don't need one after every fucking sentence.

[quote=aykarin][quote=MR_SLIN]why is it that every time someone is found to be a hacker
1) the hacker stops posting
2) his idiot "friend" who nobody has ever heard of speaks in his place as if he was him[/quote]

I don't think he's speaking in his place. Nor do I think he's an idiot. In fact, the reaction to him is quite immature: all insults and no explanation.

I think that he probably has seen Moose helping out a lot around a variety of forums, being a nice guy (a rarity in competitive TF2) and can't quite reconcile the fact that good, helpful people can also hack and cheat.

No need to insult anyone, is there?[/quote]

While I don't agree with the name calling, it's easy to see that everyone has gotten frustrated with him because despite their clear arguments against what he is saying (i.e. he DID get vac banned, so he probably cheated, etc.), he has reiterated the same argument, "Oh, but he's a nice guy and important in the community. He'd NEVER cheat because of that", and not say anything to contradict the opposing arguments.

Also, Wills, cut the bullshit with the smiley faces. It only makes your posts seem more patronizing and passive-aggressive. Seriously, you don't need one after every fucking sentence.
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#202
7 Frags +
vanillaAlso, Wills, cut the bullshit with the smiley faces. It only makes your posts seem more patronizing and passive-aggressive. Seriously, you don't need one after every fucking sentence.

But bitches love smiley faces ;)

[quote=vanilla]Also, Wills, cut the bullshit with the smiley faces. It only makes your posts seem more patronizing and passive-aggressive. Seriously, you don't need one after every fucking sentence.[/quote]

But bitches love smiley faces ;)
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#203
-16 Frags +
panzerxiiiBut bitches love smiley faces ;)

So true

EDIT - I FORGOT!

[quote=panzerxiii]
But bitches love smiley faces ;)[/quote]

So true

EDIT - I FORGOT!
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#204
12 Frags +
WillsWhatever, I'm really done now! Promise ;)Wills
So true
[quote=Wills]Whatever, I'm really done now! Promise ;)[/quote]


[quote=Wills]

So true[/quote]
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#205
1 Frags +
WillspanzerxiiiBut bitches love smiley faces ;)
So true

are you talking to 16-18 year olds?

if so, carry on; if not, cut that shit out.

[quote=Wills][quote=panzerxiii]
But bitches love smiley faces ;)[/quote]

So true[/quote]

are you talking to 16-18 year olds?

if so, carry on; if not, cut that shit out.
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#206
-2 Frags +
WillsWhatever, I'm really done now! Promise ;)

you fuckin LIED

edit: what the fuck vanilla's post wasnt there when I posted this

[quote=Wills]Whatever, I'm really done now! Promise ;)[/quote]

you fuckin LIED

edit: what the fuck vanilla's post wasnt there when I posted this
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#207
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Salamancer"Chromosome flooded bog" was downright poetic. Kudos.

I do what I can

[quote=Salamancer]"Chromosome flooded bog" was downright poetic. Kudos.[/quote]

I do what I can
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#208
17 Frags +
WillsLook if you want to call someone a liar for very meager reasons other than an unexplained VAC ban, feel free to.

The unexplained ones are always the unwarranted ones!

[quote=Wills]
Look if you want to call someone a liar for very meager reasons other than an unexplained VAC ban, feel free to. [/quote]

The unexplained ones are always the unwarranted ones!
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#209
-2 Frags +
Willsretarded shit

stop

[quote=Wills]retarded shit[/quote]

stop
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#210
22 Frags +
WillsJust making sure the UGC forums rules still apply here too ;)

tf.tv isn't run by the hurt feelings police.

Or the gestapo.

[quote=Wills]Just making sure the UGC forums rules still apply here too ;)[/quote]
tf.tv isn't run by the hurt feelings police.

Or the gestapo.
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