You can imagine that after Ferguson, it would be a nightmare scenario for a cop to apparently mishandle a case involving a black person and it makes nationwide news. Cops do treat white people differently than black people, but I'd wager it's closer to the opposite of what most people imagine.

Those who consider themselves "woke" on this website might be able to recall the cases of James Holmes, the Aurora, CO shooter, Dylann Roof, the guy who shot a black church in South Carolina, Nikolas Cruz, the Parkland shooter: all of these people walked away from the scene in custody. To the white man's mind, it makes sense that committing a crime would warrant prison time, and are the most ready to comply with orders from law enforcement. That's why, as a white guy, having a beer out downtown will quickly get me being bugged by 2 police officers: but black people smoking weed on other people's doorsteps will often do such a thing right under the noses of police, and nothing will happen (not to mention drinking in public as well). When you see a video of a black person resisting arrest, they are (very likely) doing so out of frustration, because they are used to getting away with it. Of course, people will disagree with me and call me racist for saying this. Since most TF2 players are privileged enough to where they can spend hundreds or thousands on equipment to play a video game competitively, their ideas of what a "hood" is like is probably from watching 8 Mile or Friday. Good thing there is the CharlieBo313 YouTube channel.
Of course, someone can raise a counterexample of an incident with the police of times past, such as an officer planting drugs on a person in order to arrest them, etc. Yet, I believe law enforcement has more eyes on them than ever following Michael Brown (plus cell phone cameras of bystanders, and the enforced wearing of body cameras for police officers of many PDs), so it's a safe bet to believe something like that happening now is quite unlikely.

What's interesting about the looting incidents is that they keep happening. If such a thing were to occur in China, the looters would be shot dead in the street by the police (and/or military), and the western would would never hear about it except for some alternative news sites. Racism is supposedly systemic, white supremacy is supposedly foundational for the country, but how can it be that what happened to George Floyd has made international news quickly, to where all of the corporations posture themselves in solidarity and in accord with the message of the movement... and we are supposed to believe that white supremacy is supposedly a popular ideology with our oligarchs? Not a chance.

People are chanting "Black lives matter!" over a statistically unusual event. Going off of the report posted by tambo: in the event of a murder of a black person, there is a 1.48% chance that a black person will be murdered by a white person instead of a fellow black person. But white supremacy is supposedly widespread and pervasive?

this dipshit posted the sword dude LMFAO

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You have to be willing to accept that you could be wrong first, in this case people like tojo have the idea that when relevant statistics are brought up, they are systematically falsified, racist, and the person that is sharing them doubly so. Obviously it's very difficult to believe that you've been lied to your whole life and everything you were taught in cherry picked and scripted. You don't realize that most of the people that bring up statistics/large media gaslighting were once very liberal, before they started putting the pieces together and digging through the algorithms for google, youtube, twitter, that are designed to keep people outraged and left. So, tojo, if we're seeming a bit daft it's not because we have been brought up to hate minorities or worship a fascist state or whatever you believe. It's because we know where your coming from and it's easy to see why you and others fall so much in line with the corporations that taught you to think this way. I'm not trying to teach you how to view the world or patronize you, I am suggesting that the reasons your political opponents on these matters seem so off-base, and why nobody has called you dumb or stupid for ignoring the data while you call people retarded/racist, is because the only thing backing your argument at the end of the day is emotion, and I already know where it's coming from.

I literally laid out the way this type of conversation usually works in like my second post. Lo and behold

someone posts stats> downvoted and nobody talks about it.

someone gives a personal account of how terrible all cops/white people are> OMG wtf He's SOOO brave updoot!

that same person farms more updoots off the meanie racist, calling them retarded, too stupid to respond to etc. obviously not providing any evidence to their cause and digging themselves further into logical fallacy/self absorption all the while believing it wholeheartedly.

People would be laughing at you in a thread where stats are actually taken into consideration

I'm sorry you guys hate yourself for the color of your skin and you feel ashamed, please don't. If you would have been taught how uncivilized all peoples were until very recently, you wouldn't have this viewpoint.

cops r racist.

The media pushes identity politics to distract from the real issues of class and economics.

Tambo no one is engaging with you because there is nothing to engage with. You didn't link any study or resources to actually look through, you linked fucking imgur posts. That's qanon levels of dogshit. Secondly, engaging with this snoothbrain conspiracy shit is a massive chore because it takes about 15x longer to actually explain the situation and it's causes than it does for a monon to post something stupid. On top of all of that, the fact that you linked a 25 min video of Tucker fucking Carlson and then proceeded to bitch about the media is beyond laughable.

That's not even getting into the idea of systemic issues in the US when it comes to racism and how policing is done and enforced. That is such a fucking complex issue that goes back literally a 100 years at this point and is directly attached to things like socioeconomic status, the consequences that has on people and how generations are effected by it. Good fucking luck having that conversation.

Also, as someone who has taken way to many fucking media courses and media in politics due to my degree, your idea is shit and much too simplistic. You are missing a good 70% of the pie and clearly dont understand many of the underlying drivers behind the media currently. That being said the US media is absolutely dogshit and people should be absolutely ashamed of it, but they did it to themselves.

what is your argument? That I linked someone you didn't like, that I don't understand what im talking about, that the problems are more complex than im stating, yet you won't explain them. Now I understand tino, thank you, it makes sense why blacks kill blacks more than 50x more than whites do per 1,000,000, and killings in general are down yet there have been 7 days of destruction under duress of mass white on black violence. If you were to have told me that you took a bunch of media courses and have a political degree from the get-go, you could have cleared this right up for me, thanks tho!

My argument is you are a moron that is not worth engaging with because the effort to possible return is about nil. Any one of those single topics could be a 5 hour long conversation or a 30k word dissertation. Neither of which are worth having on a video game forum, but it also doesnt help matters at all that you are already assuming anyone against you it just gaslit or misled by the evil media. You should have posted this thread in The Dumpster because that's where it belongs.

you literally come in here posting this just to not only, not give well reasoned analysis or discussion, but actively fight against it and deny that there is even a need for it. You are a coward, a liar, and much closer ideologically to a fascist than you could ever even know.

so shut the fuck up, why post after this? This is an accurate timeline of your thoughts so far

-LOl A poLITICS thread on tftv, lmaoooo im soo much smarter than these people! Welp! Better grab my popcorn and see the chaos LMAO

-LMaoooooo these nazi fucks are posting stats, im gonna call them retarded xD

-LOLLL they actually enganged me and called me out, if only they knew how smart I was and how many courses I have taken, fuckign retard:)))

- I could totally make you look like an idiot if I tried, but your too stupid, I will just make myself look like an idiot!

I actually cannot believe we’re trying to argue that cops in america aren’t racist rn, idk like really idrk

https://twitter.com/chimdesires/status/1267198829775990787?s=21

like we’re all gonna watch this video where riot police see a car FULL of smiling white people leaving the protest late after curfew, skipping past them and grabbing the FIRST DUDE WJTH DREADS THEY SEE in a car with another black person. and before you saying some “WELL THEY WOULDNT HAVE GOTTEN TAZED IF HE DIDNT KEEP DRIVING” he should’ve never been fucking stopped in the first place let alone fucking told to get out of the car for whatever reason. if you argue with me on this point ur literally just racist and idc what point ur gonna attempt to make : )
ACAB

and do NOT come at me saying that’s a one off thing, theres hours of footage of police acting like absolute fucking ANIMALS in completely peaceful protests, I would fucking know I have been and talked to ppl who have been

also lmfao @ the guy saying ppl on tf2 forums don’t know what a hood looks like, then FUCKING LINKS CHARLIEBO313 LMFAO

Imagine that feeling but you're alone, I can't talk about my own ideas on social media due to fear of backlash, I can't talk to my family about this, even some of my friends, people in my hometown would get me fired if they saw that I was posting against the narrative. That's what it's like to seek the truth about what's going on in your country, it's terrifying, it's isolating, and my viewpoints are constantly obfuscated, or mocked by both parties. If I'm so wrong why won't they let me speak?

You cannot be basing your argument on a twitter video. I can pull up a video of black looters beating up a couple with a 2x4, and I could claim this reflects a "systemic" trend of violence by blacks against whites, but of course that video is just anecdotal evidence. It means nothing against the grand narrative you continue to hint at but cannot substantiate.
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/husband-and-wife-beaten-by-thugs-armed-with-2x4s-after-asking-them-to-stop-vandalizing/

I've already made the case that individual officers are not on net racially biased. A plausible rebuttal might be that it's an intrinsic flaw of the system itself driving inequality of outcome for blacks. Well, Beaver et all 2012 finds that with proper controls, the apparent disparate sentencing blacks receive goes away. A given black and white defendant might be accused of the same crime, but the circumstances of the case will be different in predictable ways, one of which being say, a higher recidivism rate among blacks; repeat offenders receive longer sentences.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886913000470

But now I'm responding to arguments you haven't made and have no intention of making.

Fuck it's 4 am. No doubt euros will be up and about soon to derail my thread, in spite of the fact that not enough of them saw through this same ploy, that subsequently deceived them into legislating actual thought crimes.

really scratching my head rn like sorry for not typing n 8000 word rebuttal that’ll rock ur socks but tbh I don’t feel like being argued into a corner by people who’ve had this argument 10x over on reddit

personally I like to believe what I see and what I feel. I see discrimination in my area damn near daily and I do not leave my house particularly often either so, I feel as though the majority of the time the cops are at fault and the people getting pulled over AND CHARGED for the same shit I [a white person] do (smoking weed and driving, smoking in public, expired tags/plates or tail light out) are being BLATANTLY racially profiled. I really am scratching my fucking head as to how anyone could argue that. like do you really not notice that more than half the cars u see pulled over are being driven by a black person? is that just a michigan thing? if 2 cars are going 85 on the highway and the cop sees a white chick in a ford escape or a black dude in a honda civic, the black dude is getting the speeding ticket and probably getting his car searched WAAAY before they even look twice at the white chick. that’s not a speculation or anything u can claim is a conspiracy, it’s a fucking FACT i see it EVERY FUCKING DAY !??

and my question to u tambo is for fucking real, if the Evil Thought Crime Media is just exploiting these anecdotal incidents where police are just murdering people who are screaming FOR THEIR LIFE about how they can’t breathe, what do they have to gain from it exactly. are u proposing epstein’s circle is just operating and using Libtard Media to distract from their evil doings or some shit, or are u really just that racist and trying to say black people deserve the inequality they’ve seen for like, the dawn of their arrival in north america
edit: sorry for such a loaded question that sets u up for nothing but like seriously what are u getting at, ur just making urself look like a mega redpilled 13%er or whatever that meme is

also yes I am gonna base my argument on a twitter video (really wonder if u even watched the whole thing lol!), did u not see the part where like 15 cops cherry picked a car bcus the dude had fucking dreads (probably “fit” a description cus all white cops are racist as shit and assume every black person is the same). YA ITS A TWITTER VIDEO YA IDK THE WHOLE STORY (?? feel like i saw all that mattered tbh!) but you’re literally ignoring how there’s at least like 5 cars within 30 feet of that one, and they strip the minorities out of that one (mind you they got pulled out bcus they were “violating” curfew BY TRYING TO LEAVE like EVERYONE ELSE). Also I saw the video of the shop owner getting fucking clobbered by looters, dumbass redditor swung a sword at a kid supposedly bcus he was skateboarding near the store he was “defending” so Don’t Care Lol swing a sword at a mob u get fucking ran over

also like if u need me to link articles telling you systemic racism is real then there’s no getting thru to u like i’m high it’s 4am idc what u have to say ima continue to protest racial inequality and u keep linking bootlicking studies. Idc if ur right and black people do proportionally commit more crime, I don’t have reliable links to dispute that. what I do know is people who MAY HAVE committed a crime are murdered in cold blood and their murderers walk away because america is built on systems rigged for those in power . please do not make me reply to u any longer bcus we clearly just have different viewpoints and urs come from articles u find on /pol/ and mine comes from real life experiences like watching my half black friend get arrested and a longer sentence while I got 6 month probation and my parents got to pick me up lol

https://media.tenor.com/images/a98a3d591522a8bff3f0fd09d48d1a1d/tenor.gif

cool how u link murder statistics when the vast VAST majority of police action doesnt lead to killing

what about every other arrest, every other search that police specifically target black people with. none of that has been addressed

I think I’m done posting in this thread so u guys can have the last word make sure u own me
i’m gna leave w a James Cameron quote

“Cops think of all non cops as less than they are, stupid, weak, and evil. They dehumanize the people they are sworn to protect and desensitize themselves in order to do that job.”

if you disagree with that you are either a bootlicker or a blind man

can't believe tambo is a facebook user

LMFAO^

if u wanna really research this shit go fucking study it and dont just pick random news articles and wikipedia posts and correlate them. funny how most conspiracy theorists are basement dwelling internet nerds without actual experience in this field...huh

This is retarded. My brother works for the LAPD. He doesn't think people with positive character traits are less than him solely because they aren't law enforcement. The desensitized thing might be true, but that's relative. It's the same for people in the military. We can't have people unable to do their jobs because of morale obligations.

I bet you think people out looting and committing arson are below you, because you should.

My brother got bottles and bricks thrown at him last night. You bet he hit their ass with a bean bag and didn't feel bad about it.

I actually don’t think I’m above looters, in fact I largely support everyone who got free shit and burnt down a target these past few days bcus fuck the people who own the target and fuck the people who own the city. now ppl looting small businesses and fires near residential buildings, they’re the real criminals. also I’m so sorry u have a cop brother during this time, soo sooo many people must send u awful images like this that I definitely don’t agree with

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/713756592977477632/717699328289931274/image0.jpg

shit i said that was my last post fuck !!

did he aim the beanbags at their heads like all the other awesome respectable cop bro’s around him

le based anarchy bro, would be epig if we didn't have cops. Just look at all these super rad countries with the lease police per capita, im sure theseeee hot spots would be waaaaaay less dangerous than corrupt ol' AMERIKKA

https://i.imgur.com/kMMyTG5.png

This is the example of actual white privilege, if you don't see the need for police in your daily life you live in a safe area with little crime, guaranteed. You have no idea how drugs and violence actually affect communities, and how dangerous street culture is.

also for the last time people please get it thru ur head

this is not about the number of “white on black murders”, protests are happening because people want reform in the policing system. This is not like some Compare the Stats and See Are Black People Actually Evil ???? it’s a fucking movement for reform to end blatant discrimination. ig if ur argument is that discrimination against black people in policing is not real/validated (?) then idk man go u keep fightin ur fight i’ll fight mine

https://twitter.com/mybigcrack/status/1268148390757572608?s=21

you have to be trolling, there's no way you don't see the irony in that tweet.

there's one person I can imagine spending their wednesday morning shitposting on TFTV about the race war and that's tambo