Just asking you a question brody: how much did you study Esperanto? I've been studying it for a year and 1 month.
Also, I keep asking you what your evidence was for some claims, because you literally made them up; you didn't give any. so imm a guess that you dont have a source for them. so your claims are unsubstantiated.
brodyAimIsADickand either way, it has native speakers:im going to go insane if i have to argue to u any more that english is orders of magnitude more prevalent both as a native and 2nd language
I didn't say English had less native speakers...
I'm primarily saying that English is a difficult language to learn.
brodyAimIsADickit has native speakersno it doesnt man. it has a small community of hobbyist families who taught their kids the language alongside their actual local native language that they all speak in day to day public life
Yes it fucking does! I just linked you them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzDS2WyemBI, https://stelachiamnurkritikas.wordpress.com/2018/02/04/native-esperanto-speaker-the-jubilee-child-part-1/, and https://kjzz.org/content/148926/esperanto-language-staying-alive-arizona-and-beyond.
What do you think the term "native" means? https://www.dictionary.com/browse/native
brodyAimIsADickless demandingplease read before u reply. i said its more demanding to request that ~600m+ ppl learn a language nobody speaks than to request that a much smaller group of ppl learn a language that most ppl around them speak
I did, I exactly read that.
Your exact post: here:
brodyAimIsADickSeriously what's wrong with the idea?i guess i can be the one to take u seriously and present the impossibly obvious answers
main problem is that about half of non-slav europe (250m+) already speaks english conversationally, and the ratio is certainly much higher in younger international online communities. esperanto has probably fewer than 100,000 fluent speakers globally, with many of those in SEA. asking what, 10-20% at most of tf2 euros to learn conversational english is less demanding than asking 99.9% of tf2 euros to learn esperanto
also keep in mind youd be asking those 99.9% to learn a new language purely to comm in tf2. they would still want to learn english to be able to communicate with foreigners in the real world. even if people wanted to move to an easier-to-learn, more structured language then spanish would be a much more useful alternative
english also actually works really well as an auxiliary language, at least for europe, mostly due to the elasticity of its grammar, but also from broad similarities to germanic structure and romance vocabulary. esperanto is probably also fine, but if you look empathetically at the real world usefulness of language, its only real advantage is ease of learning. if you wanted to talk about a global auxiliary language then its worth discussing constructed languages but thats not rly relevant in tf2
should also be noted that 95% of the problems ive seen about language barrier in euro gaming come from slavs (who have a different standard language) playing on euro servers, and most of the rest are about french people refusing to learn english
brodyAimIsADickWell, Esperanto. its not perfect, but it does work and there isn't the same coercion as is in Englishso u genuinely believe that if i ordered at a restaurant, or asked for directions, or talked about a football match, anywhere in europe, i would have better success in communication speaking esperanto than in english, on average. just want to make the question very clear here
Yes.
brodyAimIsADickDid it look like I had time to practice spanish during school? if I tried to, I would have failed graduation... Most workers in the U.S are poor; and barely have much time off. It would be very hard for them to learn it, if they weren't immersed in it.i agree, but that applies for any language. spanish has a high success rate because you actually can be immersed with it.
Indeed, but Esperanto was the easiest for the bunch. it only took me 3 months to learn it.
Also, simply by using notecards plastered on an object you can immerse your self in any written language. maybe not with a speaker, but it helps when you're alone.
brodyAimIsADickI was talking about how come every (like each English speaking citiizen) doesn't also speak spanish.cos theres no reason to be bilingual at all for most americans? really not sure what yr getting at
True, but I was talking about in terms of difficulty. Spanish is difficult.
brodyAimIsADickI couldn't even make the word "misconflate", like I tried a year ago, without being told it isn't a "real word". how is that an example of "elasticity"?people made fun of u for saying that because it was funny, not because they couldnt infer what u meant. u being able to completely make up a word that makes rough sense to most ppl is actually a great example of elasticity. either way im talking about the grammar not the vocab so idc
Vocabulary is necessarily influenced by grammar, and both affect each other. Why do you think English has so many grammatical exceptions?
What rough sense was there? I literally saw one person complain about "misconflate" being confusing:
Max_No because if I walk up to anyone (except you apparently) and use misconflate in a sentence they will look at me funny and be confused because it's not an actual word used by anyone but you.
Just because I use a unspelled "word" doesn't mean it's a word
I said I wasn't able to make "misconflate" because I was told by this same community it wasn't a word.
That's a word right? I'm able to just toss un- infront of something just like you toss mis- infront of something
Here is the thread: https://www.teamfortress.tv/60244/is-consistency-always-a-good-thing/?page=3
So, this is not elasticity. this is strict with general guidelines.