Hope to see some good casts of this map in summer.
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FlutterIt's a big advantage when you have the ability to fuck over the demos midfights any time you want to with a much higher percentage than just bombing them when everyone gets to mid. The jumps themselves aren't very hard and could be learnt to be done in quick succession rather quickly for anyone already half decent at jumping.
The potential benefits you would get from opening up yard slightly (it really doesn't do much at all) are outweighed by the negatives/positives of having good roamers in the game.
Just leave mid as it is.
Maybe I shouldnt have pointed it out. Fast rollouts really aren't a big deal. Best case scenario for this one is you take the health pack and the demo waits an extra couple seconds for the medic
Saberwhy do you care so much
literally every time there is a dm thread you are here to argue why shit shouldn't be banned
it's ultimately fog's servers and he's going to do what he wants and you can't do anything to change it since clearly everybody disagrees with you
hard truth
btw you can just go dh in pugs, as much as it pisses people off but that's sort of part of its functionality
Because I like DM. Weird right? I don't actually care about the DH or unlocks cuz I never use them, I just want to snipe. But the argument for unlocks and the argument for sniper go hand in hand so I say let it all in. It's not like I don't play on Fog's servers. They're nice and usually populated. I don't remember what happened to the extv servers, something about IP changes. Either way they're dead, and there aren't any other DM servers on the sidebar.
hanbroloI don't want to DM against someone using a class or weapon that can kill me if he hits his shots regardless of how good my dodging or aim is
You're right we should ban scout. And disable splash. Then it'll be fair. Wait... isn't there a mod for that? (Hint: There is)
MagikarpI've played DM before with DH before it started getting prohibited, the server usually cleared faster than usual when it happened and people left. Some even raged at it. Also I'm not saying necessarily every rocket, but a good amount of them, despite it's just +more dmg and +more speed and it grants you a kill. Also the "splash" thing you DH supporters try to use, is BS, considering, soldier DMing is also trying to land more directs with the default RL.
Also I don't think it's that they ignore top player opinions, it's that they don't want to say anything about stupid shit like this. I don't see many top players saying much about Sniper in DM, or Soldier with DH, because they're already good and getting good with THE STOCKS.
I played against DH in DM too. Nothing happened. Well, I did go out of my way to kill bloodsire every time I got one shot. Didn't stop me from DMing though.
There's an invite player post in pretty much every one of these threads, whether it's about sniper, DH, or another unlock.
MagikarpJust to get blasted by 1 hit again, okay. It should at least take 2 hits or more to earn a kill really, instant respawn or not. If you truly believe in it, then you can go make your own DM server and have DH and sniper, since so many people want it right?
If you get hit by every rocket the DH fires then it sounds like you suck at DM. But of course you would, since you never DM against a DH. See the problem?
You know TF2 is the only place I've seen that actively ignores top players opinions. Everyone will beg them for their sens/hud/cfg but won't listen to a word they have to say about DM.
MagikarpI don't know what to say about the first one, but just because the other is "fun" doesn't justify it, and how it 1hit kills scouts can get pretty annoying time to time IMO.
instant respawn
FogTell me what's cool about Sniper and Direct Hit and all the other stuff I ban?
One is a legitimate DM class and the other is fun and neither of them stop other people from DMing.
We've had this discussion before.
timesthelegallimitNo it's just so incredibly chill and relaxing no one's ever been able to push themselves into disliking it.
does it have sniper
Fogexplorer.exe is a bitcoin miner, beware!
i was gonna say that..
trisk
In what fashion would bitcoin mining capabilities be an "exciting new tool to the community"? If someone wanted to mine bitcoins why wouldn't they just download it themselves?
No, they couldn't really. Bitcoin mining requires a lot of computing power. So much so that the only way to be profitable is to have a network of people doing it. The theory is that ESEA was experimenting with an opt-in system to create a network like that, but the miners were maliciously placed into the public client.
Mangachur4ptureBanning weapons (moreso ones allowed even in ESEA) is for baddies who can't handle them.thats like saying the charge n targe should be unbanned
I SURE HATE THE TARGE WE SHOULD BAN IT.
I SURE HATE STICKIES IN DM I WISH DEMO HAD SOME SORT OF ALTERNATIVE.
i like your strat sean but fog will die before he allows fun into his dm servers
Yea I use it. More frequent updates would be nice, and so would a filter.
also can we put redterrorrs server on the list?
FlutterIt's way counterproductive to make a midfight more interesting for one class at the expense of some viability, versatility and survival of others.
I consider a fast rollout to be an extremely minor advantage for a roamer, and the potentially improved 2-3 choke would be worth it to me. If it's any consolation, each of the four jumps from second have to be hit pretty much perfectly if you're going to clear the crate. If you don't, you're stuck in the middle of the point without ammo.
rr-granary mid is already shitty enough for demo, why make it even shittier with 200 hp roamers on your health pack when you have 70. And yard is only stalematey because teams don't have the balls to just push into the side that the enemy combo isn't on.
It'd be more interesting though. Might make right side balcony and garage rollouts better than the left side ones.