lucrativedoing this is just going to be TF2 shooting itself in the foot, again.
TF2 shooting itself in the foot is staying in ESEA and not making a better league.
lucrativenone of your points are invalid, but you're also making points based on the idea of growth in this game which is literally a pipedream and shouldn't be the focus of competitive play. The games growth is completely stagnant, and that's not caused by ESEA and moving away from ESEA is not going to help growth in the slightest. The game is 10 years old, get used to the idea that its downhill from here and to keep it quality while it lasts.
No he's not making points obased on the idea of growth, tell me, are all active 6s players (pugs mixes other leagues) in NA playing in ESEA? How can you honestly claim that's the case?
lucrative[...]and that's not caused by ESEA and moving away from ESEA is not going to help growth in the slightest.
Unsubstantiated claim. Do you know the amount of players who are reluctant to play in ESEA merely for the signup fee? I don't, but you seem to think those players are irrelevant, but all players maybe don't have money for the fee, maybe they are young and don't have a credit card yet or don't feel like the fee is worth it because their team is not gonna win anything anyway.
lucrativesecondly, if your priority is to stem the bleeding moving to a free league with no prize pot is 100% not going to solve that. We just spent the last week running around making last minute invite teams to save the invite division because top level competition, whether you choose to accept it or not, is the lifeblood of competitive. The sooner you accept this the better off you will be and the sooner you will realize how important ESEA is to the game right now.
Yet more unsubstantiated claims. Yes the top division is the "lifeblood of competitive" but in ESEA you might as well just donate your money to b4nny, therefore making the prize pot less relevant than if there was harder competition (?) But yeah the sooner you accept that you should stick with the overly flawed league, the better our community will be off.
This is what I said in the previous thread:
CollaideIn theory, if you wanted to play in a North-American equivalent of etf2l (or just get rid of ESEA), you would need the overwhelming majority to join it, thus forcing the minority that wants to stay to also leave.
Assuming that's true, and assuming it would be beneficial to the scene, what would the way to achieve that goal be?
Instead of being overly pessimistic about everything maybe you should focus your energy on either improving what you got (which is not gonna happen because there's always gonna be a signup fee barrier) or you move on, and try to mobalize people to play in a better league. Stop being an obstructionist. It seems like you are just making excuses to prevent any sort of change.