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The site is back and will no longer eat up all your data! (as far as I know)
Unicorn_WizardJust messing around with the site but it won't let me login, just loops back. Logged in through steam and discord on my browser and on rgl, cleared cookies, etc. If I'm being dumb please let me know but if not please help :)
Should be fixed now.
As mentioned, I am aware of the issue and it is fixed in the next version which includes a full-stack overhaul. I will keep everyone posted once it goes live. Huge thanks to Jaguar for reaching out to me
AFAIK, b4nny is travelling today but will upload them tomorrow after he gets back. Keep an eye on the match comms here
Thank you everyone who has played in the public alpha so far! I am very proud of the work we've done so far and have received a lot of good feedback that we have both already added and will implement down the road. Since the last update, we have added the option to sub a player on your team out, along with being able to view pugs currently running. Note that it requires either 3 players to vote for a sub or the player to sub themselves out for it to go through and the pug will be killed if two subs are needed at the same time. Our next priorities for this week are highlander PUGs and a separate captained advanced-invite queue. One thing we would like to think about is the classic lack of medics in a pug problem, and we would like your help in doing so! For the next week, we are going to run a poll to gather opinions on the best way to handle it. If there is enough demand, we will implement an auto-draft for a while and gather further feedback afterwards.
Here is the link to the poll: https://strawpoll.com/polls/e2narE0DMgB
You can choose multiple options or create your own.
Thank you again for all of the feedback you've given so far, and feel free to contact me/post here if you have any questions.
AntecedentA bit of feedback from trying it out just now:
- Do you stay readied after a pug fails to start? It feels like it you stay readied for at least 5+ min, which meant when a pug actually did start after a failed start, one person wasn't actually present
- Already shared by someone else, but no way to request subs, so if one person doesn't show up it kills the pug - but no way to report that either. So results in a blocked server and no pugs able to start. Might need PugChamp-like mods to handle edge cases like this, or a large enough vote by players, etc
- I originally intended those who ready stay ready after a failed start so they don't have to keep readying after baits, but that seems to just be causing problems. Will remove in next update.
- As we move the goal of testing from making sure servers don't blow up to user experience and the meat of the PUG system, we intend to implement a sub system along with the option to vote for a forfeit/end the pug if there is a bug that happens.
DivineATThere should be a way to see current running pugs and the timelimit on them like faceit, and maybe have an adv+ only section with an option for people with no adv experience to be able to play in them based on their elo rating.
Showing in-progress PUGs is definitely something that we are actively working on so players know if pugs are currently active. For different queues, we have lots of plans including by division/exp/elo and differing rules for each, like having captain options for adv/invite pugs.
wooshthere's 30 people in queue right now, and it says there is a server ready, but pugs aren't starting
Should be fixed now
Also adding more servers temporarily for tonight
After doing enough playtests, I have now added a dedicated server so that there can be PUGs ran at any time!
We also plan to launch highlander as a gamemode option soon, so keep your eyes posted for that announcement!
Dear OttoDogX,
I am writing to apologize for the way our Team Fortress 2 pickup games have been run. I understand that our games have been a total disaster, and I'm sorry for any damage that this may have caused to your virtual soldier's ego.
As the organizer of these games, I know that my performance has been less than stellar. I'm sorry for the poor management, the terrible communication, and the constant team imbalance. I know that these issues have caused you and the other players a great deal of frustration, and for that, I am truly sorry.
Moving forward, I promise to take the necessary steps to improve the way our TF2 pickup games are run. I'll make sure that we have a dedicated medic on each team, and that everyone has access to an unlimited supply of sandwiches. I'll also make sure that the Demoman is properly equipped with enough sticky bombs to blow up the entire map, so that we can finally win a game. I will also coordinate with the engineers to set up better communication channels, so that we can all work together like a well-oiled machine.
In addition, I'm sorry for the lack of enthusiasm and excitement during our games. I know that it can be hard to stay motivated when you're constantly getting dominated by the other team. But fear not! I will be bringing in a professional cheerleading squad to hype up the players and keep morale high.
Once again, I apologize for the shoddy administration of our TF2 pickup games. I hope that you can find it in your heart to forgive me, and that you'll join us for another round of virtual mayhem soon.
Yours truly,
DolphiN
Brockyea but what happened to all that previous work? I get its under new management, but do you guys not have access to all that?
_PaiThe old team is still working on their version, it just won't be under RGL if it comes out.
Basically this
mmrarkteNo, what I'm saying is there should not be a medic role that players need to fill to start pugs. Medic was always the bottleneck when starting pugchamp, often taking forever to start pugs even though you had an adequate number of players that just want to play the game. Discord pugs circumvent this problem by putting all of the players added into the medic pool, forcing everyone to "risk" having to play medic if they want to pug. Some problems arise with how this would work on an automated website, maybe all players add to combat classes and before the game starts the website selects two people from the combat class pool as medic/captain. There would also have to be some sort of medic cooldown to make sure it's fair. This kind of messes up people that actively want to play medic, maybe there could be a volunteer medic button that gives you higher priority to med over the players in the combat queue.
I think that's a pretty fair system and am definitely interested in implementing something like that to try!
Brimstoneplayed one of the alpha pugs and if this isn't already in the works i really think there should be a system to prioritize letting actual human players take substitute spots instead of just forcing a team to play with a literal valve bot
We definitely plan to use actual player substitutions, I just added a bot so that specific game could be 6v6, definitely a one time occurrence.
scratchhi waited the whole time to just not be allowed to play really. what's the point of allowing probation players to actually play in the league for stakes if you cant let them add up to meaningless pugs and play
I can definitely see where you're coming from and will be removing the probation requirement.
BYS_ShadowFenixA few thoughts from the 1 pug I played:
- Discord forcing push to talk is not ideal imo
- If a pug is being set up (i.e. map being voted for), it blocks the UI which is a little annoying, especially if I'm just trying to log in
- Mobile UI is a minor thing, but still would be nice to have (if I wanted to check to see how many/who is added up)
- Probably worth having pocket/flank scout be 2 separate roles rather than just scout. It's frustrating as a medic when you don't have a clearly defined pocket scout
- Idk how many people would agree with this, but one thing I liked that Faceit did was force steam aliases in game. It helps when discord names line up with in game names when I don't know everyone's aliases
- I'll look into why it seems that some people can't use voice activity, definitely agree that people should be able to choose
- We can make it so the map vote only shows for those in the PUG, along with being able to minimize any popups in case you want to log in, add to the next PUG, etc.
- Mobile UI is definitely on the to-do list
- Pocket vs flank scout is definitely something I didn't realize we need but there seems to be enough demand to try separating them
- I agree that would make things more consistent and easy, was coincidently thinking about that today actually
I appreciate all of the great feedback and bug reporting that has been happening so far! The past two nights of PUG testing has been very constructive and I am very excited to be working on this project!
Nygmanot constructive criticism
Show Contentit took you years to learn how to copy paste the pugchamp website but somehow make it look worse ????????????
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Note that this current project started just a couple months ago and is not under the same project management/dev team that was announced 3yrs ago. See https://www.teamfortress.tv/62574/day-1-update-on-rgl-pugs
mmrarktei hate how this is just a copy of pugchamp... one of the biggest things that sucked about that website were medics and i feel like we figured out a way better solution with discord pugs randomizing all of the players onto med.
I may be misinterpreting what you're saying, but what I understood is that you would want to get otherwise fat-kidded players to be auto-assigned to med if there aren't enough?
My main concern would be that forcing somebody onto medic who doesn't want to be would increase the likelihood of throwing. A couple solutions I've thought of is providing incentives (e.g. fat-kid passes) to play medic or prompting players to volunteer as medic if medics are the only classes needed to start the pug.
Of course, I am willing to try your proposed solution for a weekend and gather feedback if enough people agree.
maraudeRare these running now? i see 15 people added but no servers
For the moment, we are doing intermittent playtests. There will likely be some servers added this evening for further testing after last night's.
Hey everyone, thanks for your patience as we worked/pulled our hair out to get our first playable RGL PUGs prototype out to the public!
As of last night, we have launched a public playtest to start gathering feedback from players, identify bugs, and be able to start rapid development! We’ve already played a few pugs, found a few bugs, and are working to fix them, but you can keep up with the latest prototype and click around at https://pugs.tf.plus/pug. Please note that the PUG system is not 100% stable during this period and things may crash or change. This first iteration is purely meant to get something out to the public, stress test, and gather feedback.
If you’re interested in knowing exactly when new updates are pushed and playtests are happening, be sure to follow this thread and join the RGL Discord (rgl.gg/pugs) so you can join your team voice chat!
In terms of commonly asked features, we do plan to add the following:
I want to include the community in on the development of this, so if you have any ideas for/against any decision we make, we need to know!
As always, please leave feedback in this thread or by contacting me @ DolphiN#2754!
If you would like to help develop this project and have mid-senior web dev experience or any other skillset you think could help, you can apply to the RGL dev team @ https://rgl.gg/Players/Reporting/StaffApplication.aspx
RoLWhat? what does that mean it's just a discord server
It basically means improving our current Discord "RGL PUGs" system by moving from just a discord to something great with stuff like:
RoLI think it's dumb that nobody in RGL would...
I definitely agree that it's really frustrating when people refuse to collaborate and the previous project team not wanting to collaborate with RGL devs/staff was one of the main reasons for this decision. Because of this, essentially the only tie to RGL was branding/usage of API. We simply weren't willing to take the gamble considering the alternatives. It sucks it took 3 years to come to this point, but thankfully Taylor brought the motivation and dedication we all needed to launch a better way forward that better incorporates community feedback, transparency, RGL integration, and long-term sustainable success.
(That being said, mid+ level web devs feel free to apply to work on the project! We are using mainly React/Express, but reach out to me(DolphiN#2754) or Taylor if you have any inquiries or skills that you think would be helpful! - Apply here!)
mintyxdit just feels like after waiting 2 and a half years for just a random date, you'd think we would be getting them yesterday like the date says. however, all they did was be vague as fuck and then just announce not even another date but a quarter deadline so people don't get mad again when it eventually gets pushed back for the 999999th time.
indecencyalso the release date for this is a meme at this point its been like 10 years.
Brimstonewe'll see you in 2025 when it's doa.
just watch
Not sure if it was conveyed effectively in the announcement, but this is essentially a whole new project/team under the same "RGL PUGs" title. I hope people can refresh their expectations, but we all know that's easier said than done and we still have a lot to prove.
I originally aimed to have PUGs available for testing on Dec. 22 when I made those teasers, but stopped showing the teasers when a combination of a couple things became apparent that threatened that completion date:
We agreed that officially announcing Q1 (Jan-Mar) of 2023 was the safest bet of a timeframe that allowed us to bear any further internal delays while not publicly pushing announced deadlines and disappointing the community every X weeks/months. I still pushed to release a statement on the date so that the community knows about this decision to switch dev teams, so better a few weeks later than an unofficial date than never ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. The good thing is that we will be posting updates to twitter/discord so nothing comes as a [bad] surprise.
Always feel free to ask me about the progress, I'd be happy to share!