capnnofapnI love reading r/tf2 threads about competitive play and one of the big topics is weapon bans. ...Their vision for competitive tf2 is a game where people constantly switch classes and weapons to counterpick each other for 30 minutes, which is the last thing the current community wants.
I dont play overwatch anymore, but sometimes I still skim the overwatch (think r/tf2) / overwatch university subreddit (think r/truetf2 except alive and with a ranking system) and the singular biggest current complaint is about tanks being rock paper scissors and people not wanting to play that game. People want to play their main and have them viable, even at a small disadvantage just not at the current massive disadvantages they see.
There is decent insight and self awareness where the players actually acknowledge that it's necessary to either have incredibly weak or strong tanks. They either are weak and do nothing and noone plays them, making the counter matchups have less impact, or they are strong and do stuff and therefore the counters are also exaggerated.
I guarantee if tf2 was the same rock, paper, scissors, there would be the same sentiment. It's a known thing that redditors don't know what they want, and this is a prime example.
I'm actually a huge advocate of offclasses, and I really don't think they are used correctly, especially in NA. Not only do american teams NOT offclass on last by default (see how often they have scouts on last during last LAN), but no region really uses a class that is strong based on the point of the map. Personally I think the usage of pyros during ubers and heavies for post ubers is not utilised nearly as much as it should be for it being such a strong strategy on multiple points of different maps.
Instead of forcing someone to play pyro to counter soldier, and then another guy to run heavy to counter the pyro, then another to run sniper to counter the heavy, they should use those classes to properly play according to the maps aswell as what the enemy is playing and they would be able to play their mains. Or just play highlander.