If people put the same amount of effort making a new league then they did posting memes, you'd already have 50 community run leagues better than ESEA.

Also this whole ESEA vs Community league seems like it is run off a basis of principle. ESEA doesn't give anything other than small cash prizes for lower levels, 95% of players in this game would be better off in a well run community league than ESEA.

On the other hand ESEA is TF2's only real link to any form of e-sports. This is such an important part of TF2's history right here because if you snub ESEA (there are a hundred good reasons why you should) it will probably be the last link the scene will have to any form of e-sports. After this, it will be about community until the community dies...and it may well not die for another decade, but we'll be a closed off game.

In my opinion

Nobody can do a community league better than ETF2L: not CEVO, not UGC, not IGL not even TF.TV forming their own league (though it'd be nice to see it happen). For Americans though your alternative is probably best suited to community leagues on your side of the Atlantic, ETF2L could easily create a league, the potential issues can be managed quite easily, the only thing ETF2L cannot offer is a substantial cash money prizes and a LAN. Any cash money we do obtain is through donation drives from a few generous individuals (2 of which care more about HL).

What I think is a shame is people have completely forgotten about CanFo's brainchild, ESA Gamer which was Pay-to-play and was community run with the intention of giving the best for the community. In Europe we totally sold it out for ESEA and ESEA has been a failure, a waste of my money. If you wanted a Pay to play league with cash money prizes and admins who care, we should have gone for a league like ESA over ESEA, yes it's buggy and I didn't like the format but it was run by people who wanted the best for the game rather than big £££ / $$$.

Community needs those who dare to dream (like CanFo), who put themselves out there and get proper exposure from the game (like Ashkan).

We as a community we want something but we don't want to work for it or put up with the tough times to enjoy the good times. You could continue with ESEA, keep your Tri-annual LAN tournaments but good luck with the donation drive this year, I for one won't donate for a league like ESEA with invite players having self-entitlement like this:

I seriously only think the top 3 will make it to LAN this year and without community support, ESEA LAN is as good as dead.

I won't doubt this but people come in from all over Europe, including Eastern Europe, and considering UK is on the Western end of Europe, that is pretty impressive. It is like people from New York going to a LAN in California. It could be done, but it is more expensive to travel coast-to-coast in the USA, I know this...but it could be done.

I actually think your most recent big LAN (GXL?) had quite an impressive turnout, sort of event you can build on and build on really as a community. If you really want a great community LAN, you need to show the support (I'd love to attend a community based LAN in North America).

A serious suggestion if you really only value ESEA for it's LAN - Why not make one of your local LAN events (GXL, ETS) or something an i-series equivalent? There was that recent one which had a lot of attending players, now if you do it perhaps during the summer, it will attract a bigger audience and allow NA scene to have a "must-do" LAN and as a community we can fund your best teams there and maybe one day Euros and Australians. I-series didn't become such a big deal in Europe because Americans attended, it was still THE LAN and it was all down to the community turnout at i40 and i43 surpassing anything we'd ever seen before.

Of course, having a regular LAN decider is a big thing for the scene, we'd love it in Europe despite having the summer i-series. Hence why a lot of the top teams signed up for ESEA in the hope that by sticking to it, we can see something similar appear eventually.

People take Mangachu seriously...in PUGS?

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My binds are all inner circle jokes no-one gets.

You should all care and give me attention.

If I post in this thread can I become part of the group and delude myself that I have friends? Oh please please please.

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Of course, who else should one love more than oneself?

Really though, I was hoping you guys would throw in some quotes by yourself.

http://teamfortress.tv/forum/thread/13869-tf2-quotations-thread

Please send TF2 player/theme related quotes here.

Due to less than popular demand, here is a TF2 Quotation thread, allow me to fill it with great/memorable quotes and categories. I made a regular one but the average TF2 nerd does not care for great minds unless they specialise in killing you in a cartoon shooter game. If you however enjoy non-TF2 related quotations, please go to this thread: http://teamfortress.tv/forum/thread/13868-quotation-thread

Memorable Quotes

"It was like healing an Open Team" - Brad "Pyyyour" Ross after Mihaly's Flows' less than impressive LAN performance.

"Nothing short of Victory" - Tyrone being interviewed by eXtv ahead of the i46 LAN.

"Shoot feet...get Kills" - Appe from Team Dignitas during an interview by Bigfoot Networks.

"I was very drunk at the time" - Darn after smashing his PC into submission during the Infused vs Classic Mixup game at i46.

Logical Quotes

"A bad Medic creates problems, a good Medic solves them" - Retsh0ck (thank you @AdmirablePlayer)

"If you're Medic gets backstabbed, it isn't your Pyro's fault - IT'S EVERYONE'S FAULT. It is every player's responsibility to track a spy and be aware of when they will strike." - Vhalin on Highlander gameplay (A misquote for sure, but the point stands).

"A good Demoman will use his amazing DM skills to get out of bad situations, A great one won't ever let themselves be in a bad situation" - I dunno who said this, it sticks in my mind though.

"If we were playing Blame Fortress 2, We'd be Prem by now" - I said this when I was in like Div 4 or something.

Post your own + favourites.

I often litter my work days trawling through websites and on rare occaisions books containing great quotations relating from Politics to Life, share with me some of your favourites - Here are some of mine:

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln

"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." - Winston Churchill

"Ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put." - Winston Churchill

"I never travel without my diary. One should always have something sensational to read in the train." - Oscar Wilde

Plus a lot more, but there are a few. Please share yours!

Big Sig - When I heard you made an Engineer frag video, I at first thought it'd be cringy, but this is excellent and extremely well edited. Good job man.