When I was a senior at my high school we started a FIRST robotics team. It was a lot of fun, we had a lot of fun people involved. There was this freshman who was really outgoing and fun- I liked to talk to him because he was funny and seemed like a really happy guy.

Two years later, he unexpectedly committed suicide after the robotics tournament that year. Just because someone may seem happy and outgoing doesn't mean that they aren't troubled on the inside. It was really sad, I miss that kid.

This is what I did with logjam and I've got not much to show for it. Yes mistakes were made and yes as someone said mappers are bad at selecting what feedback to listen to (I was guilty of this) but there's only so much we can do. It's an incredibly frustrating experience to try and do anything with maps for competitive... I want to make something of logjam but the vast majority of people are just done with it.

I tried one at one of the Portland lans and just moving the mouse on the desktop was enough to get hard.

I then went back to my own computer and everything felt laggy.

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I did a bit of googling and found this, which I guess is the previous model- PG278Q instead of PG279Q. Both are 1440p, the one OP posted is 165 hz and 4 ms but this one is 144 hz and 1 ms... so which is better?

Colorado School of Hell ... i mean Mines.

Once again, that sounds pretty familiar. In my case when Logjam was in ETF2L it wasn't great but so many more people just dismissed it as bad because it was new without even looking into it. That's one of the most frustrating things. Phi saw it with Sunshine when it got in ESEA. It's an annoying mentality.

Cirlo, moving the point would be really easy. Making the lobby room smaller could be hard depending on the level of optimization and how everything fits together, but it would be doable.

Phi hit the nail on the head.

Mapping for competitive is really frustrating and draining and most of the time you don't get anything out of it. If I could get a reliable group of people to test maps that wouldn't just tell me that they didn't like which barrels I chose or to "literally go kill myself" (Yes I've been told that...) it would be wonderful.

I haven't done anything to Logjam recently because I really don't know what I need to do because I get a mixture of vague responses like "well it kinda sucks because the whole thing is a clusterfuck" or "It's decent but not that good" or "I like it" which really doesn't tell me anything.

If you guys want new custom maps, get a good map group pug or something going with some higher level players and make it a regular deal. We should probably do this sort of thing even if what people want is updated/modified valve maps or others- those would still require testing.

Thanks again guys for playing Logjam in the cup! It is appreciated greatly!

Looks like we're stuck with Granary for at least another season. Hopefully it will be Granary Pro. If anyone who voted against logjam wants to say something I'd appreciate any feedback here: http://www.teamfortress.tv/14370/cp-logjam-5cp

I may be a bit biased but I don't think that the drug trial/lab rats analogy fits in this case. Logjam got thrown into ETF2L during mid beta and it was honestly a really bad move to do that. That's partially on me and partially on the ETF2L admins who chose/allowed to put it in. It was overyhyped by people playing mixes. Most didn't like it in the first season it got played. Most said it was better in the second season, with the glaring issue being the mid.

I completely rebuilt the mid after that season. I think it's a lot better. I know it needs a little tweaking but I'm not sure what it needs. I wouldn't say that it's just throwing the same map at a different group of people at all.

That being said it looks like granary is getting voted back in and I only hope that they will choose to make it the pro version instead. Maybe there will be a chance for Logjam next season. If not I've wasted a large amount of time for next to nothing.

Looks like the second vote is up. No choice for Gran Pro which I think is a mistake.

https://play.esea.net/index.php?s=poll&d=comments&id=1064

I didn't realize the 2nd SoCal LAN had happened already. I will have to take a peak at it. I think they only wound up playing a few rounds on Logjam last time and I didn't get much out of it that I remember. I do certainly appreciate seeing it get run though!

I hope that it can be one of the better maps in rotation but at the moment I've gotten very little feedback on B20/RC1. I can't really do much to improve the map unless I get more serious testing. If you guys choose to vote Logjam in this time around I can assure you I will do everything in my power to make it an even better map for the following season... most of the other maps in the rotation don't change. Logjam can change to become a better map.

Please all,

I would really appreciate you guys considering logjam. I know in the past I've pushed things too hard but Logjam is at a pretty solid spot right now (I hope) and I would absolutely love to get serious feedback on it. People keep telling me it doesn't have to be played in season to get feedback but pugs and mixes just don't do it.

It's RC1, it's actually a decent looking RC1 for me this time and I have some ideas for some changes for an RC2.

http://www.teamfortress.tv/14370/cp-logjam-5cp

I can understand people not wanting to vote something out but if you have to vote something new in I would really appreciate you guys voting for Logjam.

Fuck yeah.

My buddy has a pretty sick band called Van Eps:

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