Sorry shwan. I can't get you that birthday present.

Let's do a fully charged. Where is Cbear at?

This is of course not including LAN costs + server but I think you guys get the point.

I would actually like to hear more from CEVO about their potential LAN. I've asked my CSGO friends and they haven't heard a word from CEVO about ever running a LAN. I know before their rebirth, one of their main things was "You don't need LAN". That was actually a selling point back then, that people didn't need to fly out to win a championship. I don't believe they'll ever run a LAN, from what I've heard, it costs absurd amounts of money. So considering I've heard nothing on the CSGO side, I don't think they'll run a LAN solely for TF2.

I'm not really sure what Nahanni's motivations are but I wouldn't expect her to put up money for every season. All of the other CEVO games are f2p (besides their pro division) and they have bigger prze pots than TF2.

I also heard it will all be crowd funded (i.e. The previous season's league fees will go towards the next's prize pots). We are currently at just over 20k in prizes. 20,000 / 7 players per team (generous with a sub paid per team ) / 15 $ per player = 190 teams. I hope TF2 gets there some day, but I think we're still a way off. That 20k is money we're already putting in, no strings attached.

I thought they made it public. It was in one of the CEVO threads. If I'm wrong, they can correct me.

I really don't care how many teams we get. I just want a season. I know that if we get a season going, S17 will be the easiest decision of your life.

Of course, I can't give out the numbers of our operating costs but I believe enigma made a fairly accurate spreadsheet that showed that we lose money.

I agree, the beginning of the season was fucking terrible but this was due to our new client team getting acclimated. It's unfortunate that the worst thing are what sticks out in everyone's head. The thing that you've failed to notice is that there hasn't been a single issue since then. Considering how well everything has gone, I'm pretty sure it will be smooth sailing from now on.

Nothing that you've heard about lpkane is actually true. He does care about TF2. He likes to be a silent owner in regards to TF2, kinda like in sports where the owner stays out of most stuff.

This might surprise you but lpkane was the one that came to me about getting EU TF2. lpkane came to me about adding main. Of course, these were all ideas that I had but hadn't shared yet. I'm not sure if I can ever prove to you guys that he cares, but he wanted to do all that on his own.

I really don't need the money. I could have quit this job long ago. I'm doing this because:

A) I love it.
B) I honestly do think that ESEA is the better product.
C) I heard lange was asleep.

There's operating at a loss and then operating with 6 open teams. There is quite a big difference. LAN pot is mostly to get the players there so we can't really reduce that much. I've thought a lot about cutting IM and Main but I really just don't want to. I'm not going to worsen my product just because CEVO wants to make a league. I think everyone is happy with the current tiers and I'd like to keep it that way.

You're right, I probably could have spoken up earlier but I wanted to make sure to let CEVO have their chance. It was important for me to not try and just yell over CEVO to make you think I deserve your money. At the end of the day, I want you to say to yourself "ROFL I'm not playing CEVO, ESEA has everything but better". Are we there yet? Meh, not really but I do think I have the tools to get us there. I'm talking now and I think everyone is listening. Does CEVO not offer refunds for those that request it?

Why would we shrink the prize pot? Let's keep it the same and keep growing till the numbers support it.

I really couldn't disagree more. What makes CEVO's platform better? They picked up likeable community figures and made a league. I'm not sure if I heard correctly but a large piece of the prize pot came from nahanni's pocket. They aren't risking much on TF2, I'm willing to risk it all. I want you to tell me right now what you want me to do to improve ESEA TF2. I'm more than willing to have a discussion.

I sent off messages. I'm going to try and have it done today. We'll see what happens.

Yes, it's been passed along. Obviously, they can't start working on it when they don't even know if there's going to be a season.