I had a lot of fun playing, shoutouts to THE BILLDOZER for hosting and being flexible as always. I hope this inspires people to run more events like this!
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A reminder that Wednesday at midnight is the last day to sign up for the cup, you will need to have your roster ready by that deadline! No changes in the way the cup is formatted besides the new version of mannbase that skaz uploaded the other day (https://www.teamfortress.tv/post/1041349/mannbase-alpha-5cp). Please let me know if you have any questions, I hope to do more stuff like this in the future with varying maps, gamemodes, and config changes (mainly the 3 minute round timer, which is pretty cool if you haven't already checked it out)!
sunderkeeninScream obviously shouldn't have been the one forced to talk because he is a "noob" admin being dumped into an unwinnable PR shitshow with incomplete information, and to the extent that it is Scream's fault it is obvious he didn't catch up properly with the thread or Setsul wouldn't have had to repost context. This is still on RGL, and to some extent I think Scream was right to step up, but to some extent he was wrong to step up unprepared. I don't want to shit on Scream, but Scream is currently acting as RGL and RGL deserves much more than this. This is simply an unfavorable context for Scream and chances are everyone here would be perfectly fine with him in any other context such as pugs.
I was aware that at match time, Fleskore knew that Darty was trying to ring medic, it's something I just did not mention in my original post as I wasn't being specific enough, hence why Setsul posted context. The only thing I was genuinely unaware of was what was said specifically on the match page. Outside of that, I don't feel I came unprepared to this thread, and assure you I read it over 3 times before even writing my post. Secondly, the reason I posted was to clear up something for my division, this is why I barely mentioned the invite situation because it is largely out of my hands. If you feel that RGL "deserves more" than me at least attempting to post, then I truly don't know how to satisfy you. As you said, this is "an unwinnable PR shitshow", so whatever attempt was made, whether it was me or another person, it would never be good enough for what "RGL deserves". Also, I have absolutely no idea what the last sentence means, whether the context is being an RGL admin (which I assume it is) or just existing on tftv?? lmfao. Lastly, I'd like to say that no one put me up to this but myself, I was the one who volunteered for this (in fact I did a couple of days ago, immediately after this situation was mentioned) because I wanted to try and propagate discussion, instead of the usual radio silence that the community has experienced with RGL in the past. I'd like to think I've done a better job of that in this thread, but ultimately that is up to others to decide.
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Setsul
Just to clarify with mods, they have the same powers as admins, there really is not a difference (which I admit is confusing). The only large difference is that Admins typically do more for their specific division, whether that be demo checks, ticket answering, etc. Admins/mods of specific divisions are told to stay in their lane, which basically means that I, for example, can only accept players to rosters, list minor penalties, etc. for IM teams (i.e. admins should only complete administrative tasks for their division, this keeps people in their zones and also serves to prevent favoritism). The mistakes we made are listed in Brody's post above, which I believe covers the rest of the concerns here.
Setsul
100% agree and that's something I've been trying to push since I joined this season. Also, the rule I linked is written like total garbage and really needs to be reformatted, I don't hold any members of either team accountable in that, and I take the blame for not making that clearer.
ghadilli
We beyond fucked up in the match page regard, there isn't really much I can do besides apologize for that and try and communicate that to other admins in the future. To your point that RGL shoots itself in the foot every few weeks and doesn't deserve to be treated angelically, I agree and think that public outcries in situations like these are beneficial. I was more leaning towards private conversations between players and admins, as since joining I have seen multiple players just pm admins statements like "fuck you" or "are you genuinely stupid?" in the midst of disputes. As much as I dislike that, I don't really see it stopping completely until RGL fixes its public image. Again, I would just like to see people be more courteous but again to your point there isn't much we can do until RGL stops fucking up.
As a side note, I'd like to respond more in these threads as I think in seasons past, saying nothing as an admin team can lead to (us) admins not holding ourselves accountable in situations like this, as I believe has been the case since RGL 6s began.
Setsul
To be clear, this is the support ticket from Friday, the day of the match, and approximately 20 minutes after it was supposed to happen. The statement you quoted is referring to when we were first contacted 4 days before the match. Neither team spoke to each other about the denial until contacting Fleskore on Friday. Fleskore was told at this point, that Darty was going to be playing medic and not scout, hence the confusion. I do agree, that at this point the denial should have been reverted and again I apologize for that, and for not being specific enough in my initial post.
Hey y'all, me RGL admin me post. I don't really have a lot of answers for the invite situation, mostly because I've been out of town (I just landed yesterday at 8 PM), and I'm not totally in the loop for that situation. I will say I've shared my thoughts with the team internally, and the investigation/audit of the case will be finished shortly.
Mostly, I'm here to clear stuff up about the IM situation. Fleskore and I were led to believe that Darty would be playing scout in this match, to which we gave the other team the ability to decide whether or not they would deny him. The RGL rule supporting ringers states that any ringer that is above the skill level of the player they are replacing can be denied, you can read that rule here (1009.4.2 ). We were not linked match page or told anything from the point he was denied (4 days before the match) until after the match was supposed to happen. This is not okay, as if we had known Darty was playing medic, we would have reverted the denial, and prevented this from happening. I will also acknowledge and accept responsibility for not looking into this further at the start, but please do understand that sometimes we only know what we have seen, and sometimes we don't have the time to check on every match page to assure they are being played correctly and with correct ringer formatting, etc. I personally received 4 messages on Friday at 11:40 PM, at which time I was asleep and 600 miles away from my computer. I asked both teams to reschedule and play the match out due to the communication errors, and I would like to think that was the correct decision, but again I do apologize for the trouble that it caused both teams and will make an active effort to be more diligent in the future.
b0nes_NAadmin buddy
Fleskore being "friends" with Queequey and therefore Quee gaining additional favor is just false. Fleskore was contacted a grand total of one time, and has no bias for Queequey and from what they have told me, has rarely interacted with this player. I ask that in the future when making an accusation like this, please be prepared to show proof, as it is important that every player is treated fairly, but at the same time throwing around accusations like this can make admins feel confused particularly when it is not true. I will say the fact that the denial was not communicated in match comms or in DMs by admins or team leaders contributed further to issues, so I apologize for that as well. (As a side note, the RGL website is subpar, to say the least, so please for god's sakes send someone a steam/discord message as well as communicating in match comms.)
Lastly, more generally, I'd like to ask that despite how frustrated and annoyed you get with admins, though sometimes justly (trust me I've been there), please refrain from throwing personal insults, attacks, and demeaning comments
towards them, as for one, it is likely to not help your situation, and secondly, it is shockingly immature especially considering how old some of you are.
Edit: The ruling I linked is very confusing, so basically know that any ringer in any division can be denied as long as they are reasonably outside the skill level of the player they are replacing.
Fuckers in tf2 telling me, always in the dm server b4nny ain’t bout this, b4nny ain’t bout that. My boy a FT on fucking RGL and them! He, he they say that player don’t be putting in no work SHUT THE FUCK UP! Y'all noobs ain’t know shit! All ya motherfuckers talk about b4nny ain’t no hitta b4nny ain’t this b4nny a fake SHUT THE FUCK UP! Y'all don’t live with that player! Y'all know that player got caught with a scattergun Shootin' at the mid invite teams and shit player been on RGL probation since fuckin, I don’t know when! Motherfuckers stop fuckin' playin' him like that! Them noobs savages out there If I catch another motherfucker talking sweet about b4nny I’m fucking MGE'ing they ass! I’m not fucking playing no more You know those players role with habib and them!
Anime: A Federal Crime
lithiumbro why is this guy still pugging? cmon platy pugs do better
https://i.imgur.com/YcwJkMU.png
The solution to this is to refuse to play pugs with him and go to one of the other 5 pug groups that people run (literally half the people that pug are the same for the most part). People who play with Elijah in pugs do it to themselves honestly, I think I would rather play TF2 center with a demoknight then play a pug with a known cheater.
You better have cited logs.tf
mustardoverlord
The whole purpose of qualifiers is to give people a chance to play invite. Somehow this is the complete opposite of ESEA (lol). I would also disagree and say a lot of the qualifier teams are similar in skill level. For example, one of the teams you left out, cleanbuddies, has tony (played invite, top 4 adv), Bumbo (played invite, top 4 adv twice), ed (multiple seasons of invite), alan (top 2 adv and top 4 adv), cleanbuddy/rowpieces (top 2 and top 4 adv),and FrickMyNick (playoffs adv on offclass and experience playing medic in invite). I don't see how this team is any worse on paper than any of the qualifier teams, and I don't think it's fair to straight up leave them out, as there is not really a clear winner out of the majority of the teams, none are really head and shoulders above the rest.
Bump team died, willing to play demoman in low-mid adv, as well as scout/soldier in low invite/ high adv (updated op as well).