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croud"In 1989, Sinwar was sentenced to four life sentences in Israel for orchestrating the abduction and killing of two Israeli soldiers and four Palestinians he considered to be collaborators."
"During his time in prison, Sinwar continued to coordinate the execution of Palestinians suspected of collaboration with Israel and planned the abduction of Israeli soldiers."
"Sinwar was elected as the leader of Hamas in Gaza and claimed to pursue 'peaceful, popular resistance' the following year, supporting the 2018–2019 Gaza border protests,[13] though he is also reported to have been dedicated to eradicating Israel"
"He is widely regarded as the mastermind behind the 7 October Hamas-led attack on Israel in 2023"
"The prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, announced his intention to apply for an arrest warrant for Sinwar for war crimes and crimes against humanity, as part of the ICC investigation in Palestine."
Skewed perception of a "soldier".
Point 1: He was sentenced to life in prison for killing soldiers, how is that an act of terrorism? Soldiers die in war.
Point 2: If they were collaborators, then I still dont see how this is any different than killings the US has done based on allegations of collaborations with enemy nations.
Point 3: "Reported to have been dedicated to eradicating Israel" is not an argument. An argument is something like "During the peaceful Gaza border protests, around 200 protesters were killed by the IDF, reinforcing the fact that peaceful protest is simply not an option for the Palestinian cause."
Point 4: Oct 7th was an act of resistance. 75 Years of brutal oppression, massacres, etc. will cause events like Oct 7th.
Point 5: "Announced his intention to apply for an arrest warrant" carries no weight. It's important to note that the ICJ actually did rule (not that they intended to look into this, but that they carried it out and made a ruling) that Israel is an apartheid state.
Nothing you've said disproves the fact that he was a soldier who spent his life fighting oppression, and died fighting oppression.
malarkeyI didn’t say anything else in the thread bcz I generally agree that Israel is going way too far, it pissed me off that that guy said that a child murdering terrorist coward “died like a soldier.”
So you don't say anything in the thread, unless it is to insult and demonize leaders of the Palestinian Resistance?
It is an objective fact that Yahya Sinwar died a soldier, on the frontlines, being attacked by tanks, drones, and missiles. Despite the constant lies and propaganda about "human shields" he died surrounded by nobody, no soldiers, no civilians.
Sinwar is not a "terrorist coward". He was born in a refugee camp, his entire life he spent watching his people and his nation be massacred and wiped out by Israel. His whole life has been spent in dedication to fighting for the Palestinian cause.
The cowards are people like Bibi, Ben-Gvir, and the rest of the Israeli government that sits in their ivory towers bombing children, bombing schools, bombing hospitals, etc. People like Sinwar and Nasrallah spent their whole lives fighting oppression and colonization, and they died fighting like soldiers.
MongGreat news! All pre-Oct 7th Hamas leaders are now dead.
https://i.imgur.com/3BvvhFj.png
The deaths of the martyrs will only fuel stronger resistance in the future, so long as Israel continues to be the most evil country post WW2.
Sinwar did die (as a brave soldier, not a coward hiding away like Bibi et al), but another will rise to take his place, and the resistance will never die out.
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30k have died (not really but whatever) because Hamas uses them as human shields. Let's hate Hamas together for this!
Answer the question I asked you: If, god forbid, your mother was killed while the IDF was bombing apartment buildings saying they wanted to kill Hamas, would you be satisfied? would you say "oh well they took the appropriate steps, so whatever!"?
Hahahah guys actually we don't hate jews. We changed our mind in 2017. Now we only hate zionists. Do you listen to yourself? What is there to clarify when the original charters says JEWS should be KILLED? Clearly a PR move.
so you just base your arguments on your own personal opinions? Your assumptions are apparently equivalent to facts? This is a common thing you've done, whenever you come across anything that proves you wrong, you simply call it a lie, falsified, etc. But then in that same exact breath, you will quote IDF sources as if they arent inherently biased. You can't cherry pick stats & sources like this, it shows a lack of skills in researching and formulating your opinions & ideas.
They wouldn't have any justification for it, because now the only justification is that Hamas uses civilian buildings.
Again you bring up the human shield narrative. Regardless of that, what to you constitutes a "military base of operations"? Because when that hospital was bombed to shit because IDF said there was a hamas base underneath, the pictures they took showed 3-4 rifles, and then boots and books. Please tell me if that justifies the levelling of hospitals, schools, churches, masjids, etc.
They will stop if Hamas stops lol. Even if they wanted not to, they would have to cave to external and internal pressures. You know, because Israel is a democracy.
wow more just blatant lies, who would have guessed. In the history of Palestine and the existence of Israel, do you have any proof to back up the idea that Israel will simply stop? They are the aggressors. They are not even a democracy, just look at the judicial reforms. You seem to think that since Israel is a "democracy" that they are infallible and impervious to evil/corruption.
Camp David Summit was going to give 100% of Gaza and 91% of West Bank to Palestine. Even parts of Jerusalem iirc. This is not the majority. Are we going by some weird "historical" Palestinian lands some of which were never really owned by the Palestinian state, and which now Jews live on?
Oh, thats so considerate. After kicking me out of my house and letting me live in the basement, you say that you will only take 10% of that basement for yourself, thats so considerate! leaving 90% of a humid basement! I don't know if you are willingly ignorant or just this stupid, but there are countless documents out there reporting stats and figures about the extent to which Palestinians inhabited the land that is now Israel before 1948, before the Nakba. You can look for yourself, and finally come to the conclusion that they were kicked out of land they were living in, relegated to some tiny pockets, and are expected to be happy that they can live in 10% of the land they used to live in.
Russia was wrong to invade, and they committed war crimes per the ICC. They don't deserve any of Crimea. The analogy does not work in the least. Israel and Palestine are also one country technically. Jews now live on those lands and you want to expel them. They will say no, and you will use force, killing them.
But how do you know? Crimea had a referendum that said they liked Russia, didnt they? All that aside, you yourself said that Jews NOW live on those lands. It's like your own subconscious is screaming at you. You are right that they are one country, because even what constitutes "Palestine" is occupied and strictly governed by Israel with their apartheid system.
Hamas claimed 50 of the 200 or so people killed by the IDF were their militants. Looks like a great ratio to me!
Did you know that in WW2, according to your precious non-hamas sources, the civilian casualty ratio was in the 60%s, that included deaths from the many famines not to mention bombings and such. In the Great March of Return, it is 75%. You call that good? All of this is beginning to make me think that you think killing innocent civilian protesters is okay, so long as a few "militants" are also killed in the bunch. I thought you valued democracy so much??? what happened?
I don't even know what to say anymore. You see Hamas as this pure evil who will do nothing but lie, and then see the IDF as pure good, only telling the truth. You can't change your viewpoint and cant see any fault. Calling Israel a democracy is fucking hilarious considering the insane protests in Tel Aviv earlier this year, the judicial reform and all. I have provided you with unbiased statistical pages, as have others, you keep asking for sources because you either cant bother yourself to look at the links, or you are so brainwashed you see anything that proves you wrong as being a lie. You see a picture of 2 AKs and a pair of boots and to you, that justifies the leveling of a hospital, so of course you use the same human shield argument over and over again. You only see Palestinians as collateral damage, not as human beings.
Terrorism is violence for political gains, which is the case here with settlers.
If, god forbid, your mother was killed while the IDF was bombing apartment buildings saying they wanted to kill Hamas, would you be satisfied? would you say "oh well they took the appropriate steps, so whatever!"? We all have such obscene privilege to be living far from this, but for some reason you cannot see that. You wouldn't understand unless it happens to you, because you are apathetic.
Nothing will change your mind, you have this godly image of Israel in your head and all the brainwashing and bullshit propaganda that is backed up by ZERO evidence has clearly gotten the better of you. Good luck in the afterlife when you finally face the music
Mongalex80Hello sir but Palestinians aren't going to be expelled, not are they being exterminated (their population is in fact booming!). It is jews who will be if Israel does not fight back because this is what will happen if a bunch of anti-Semitic Palestinians are allowed to have their way (Hamas charter says that Jews must be exterminated) If Israel wanted to invade and wipe them off the face of the Earth they could have done it easily already. If Hamas stop their bombs and civilian attacks they could prove to the world they are not barbarian third worlders who can only commit violence and rape. Israel would have to stop bombing like they decreased their bombings in the past, just because of political pressure alone. Then the US could mediate the peace agreement (invade Palestine if they break it - stop all support for Israel if they break it). This is not an easy solution, but more feasible than any other, especially yours (none, or worse: Jewish genocide). Do try and make a real argument for why this can't work next time. Thanks!
All Palestinians have to do is just not fight back, accept their extermination, and let all of their land be stolen, and accept being shipped off to other countries so that Israel can peacefully exterminate their culture and identity!
what world do you live in? 30000 have died (not counting the thousands trapped under rubble) in 3 months. Israel is already in talks with other countries trying to get them to take in the Palestinians, and you better understand that they will not be giving that land back to them.
Look at the 2017 charter, the revised charter, in which they clarify their opponent being ZIONISM, not Jews. If you equate the two, then look at the Jews in NA who are protesting AGAINST Israel, and IN FAVOUR of Palestine.
With or without Hamas, Israel will bomb and massacre Palestinians, it will just be a longer time-scale. All Hamas is, to the Israeli government, is a reason to ramp up aggression and bombings, a reason to bomb schools and hospitals, churches and masjids.
stopping their bombings and decreasing are 2 different things. Israel will DECREASE, but they will NEVER stop bombing. Again, Israel is using Hamas to justify their sped up genocide.
In every single peace deal, land partition, etc. there was the stipulation that Palestinians give up MAJORITY of their lands. They would be accepting that they are essentially locked into Gaza and West Bank, and that Jerusalem is occupied by Israel. Let's say Russia offered to stop the war if Ukraine accepted the annexation of Crimea, Donbas, Donetsk, Mariupol, etc. would you blame Ukrainians for not accepting it? Should Russia be allowed to take all of those cities, simply because they offered to stop the invasion if they did? If that were the case, then there would be nothing stopping the world superpowers from slowly stealing away the entire world for themselves.
what about the Great March of Return? The 2017-2018 protests, in which HUNDREDS of peaceful palestinian protesters were killed by the IDF. Should all protests be violently put down if they interfere with the US agenda?
Also, do you have anything to say about the other bullshit pretenses you made?