out of all maps i enjoyed playing turbine the most in the season i played

idk why this guy wants ppl to play it though, if the intention is to get them back into the league, thats just not going to happen cause the game is already too far in to just have new gamemodes in the map pool. he didnt mention he wanted to, but thats the only reason i assume he wants it played

no ones going to be able to really tell you how to do it in a forum post because its just 'feeling' you develop, as in youre not even consciously thinking and its working more than it used to. i guess its just being able to anticipate where theyre going to shoot the rocket and reacting ahead of time, but don't think youre not going to get hit because any good soldier is going to hit you no matter how 'unpredictable' you are, and its about using that rocket to fight him or some shit.

but thats all bullshit because i don't think you can put it into words. theres lots of things you can do and ways you can take the matchup. you can just never jump and be as effective as someone just spamming space bar, for example. whats most important is that you hit everything though, vs any level of soldier on any map. its all about who kills who first, obviously, and depending where you spawn and where they are, the class who has the advantage to kill faster easier changes, so does your approach to the fight.

the way i learned was just throw myself at soldiers in ammomod until i unconsciously worked out how to do it. i picked ammomod as a place to learn because its the hardest place to play it (soldiers have a huge advantage), youre only going to have soldiers join, unlike viaduct/bad mid etc which means theres no stupid crying over who is playing what class, there's no way for you to hide or play gay so youre always playing correctly, youre going to always be juggled and hit because of how easy it is for the soldier to do it, so youre always getting used to being thrown in the air and learn ways to deal with it etc.

its also really easy on the ego, if thats an issue with you, because its never embarrassing losing vs a soldier on that map, but kind of impressive and shit. like if i had below 70 ping constant and lost there i'd be embarrassed. its so one sided that i can hold my own vs IM/invite scouts that are much better than me on 130-150 ping, but any other map i'd be lucky if i got 10 with that ping vs those same scouts. so you've really got nothing to lose, not like you do anyway.

but thats just how i learned. even from just playing that map, i'm confident vs soldiers in any scenario i guess because of how general and difficult it is.

you can just run at soldiers on top of trains for ages and if you try enough things and don't miss you'll just work out what the right shit to do is, which is a combination of a lot of shit. playing in europe, thats all youre going to get, because regular MGE EU people don't really get soldier v scout for some reason. they would much rather play soldier v soldier viaduct mid or soldier v soldier gran last cause theyre idiots i guess. even though sitting on the train is the least productive and easiest thing to do, 90 percent of public MGE EU soldiers are gonna do it cause they know nothing else. but yeah, if you play properly you'll get it eventually.

watch better scouts. b4nny streams this matchup everyday vs ppl trying their hardest to embarass him. you can see how to deal with that, and soldiers in general just by watching that, and its gonna be better insight than anyone in this thread can give.

hopefully soon ive been waiting for it ever since

edit: ohh shit i didnt see someone linked it fuck yes im excited

ANOTHER edit: hes a facking genius

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yeah thats the problem though it wasnt the amby it was the DR. if i ever died using that combo it was because a sniper headshot me/someone surprised me but other than that i thought it was funny and obv awful design i could go anywhere on the map, run at 3 pyros and still have more than half my health when i go to safety. they change the DR like every patch and have no idea what to do with it, actually they have no idea what to do with spy as a class, but this new invulnerability to flames is just the most stupidest idea you could possibly think of, but its still there i think. ive never gone for a backstab and dont want to but i think i could probably still get away with that shit even with this ammo nerf cause the thing is just dumb. i hadnt played spy in years but when i started the amby shit i didnt need to learn the ins and outs cause it plays the game for you.

if he had the invis watch, your soldier would just kill him and then its a balanced situation cause the spy had to decide when it was the right time to go for it and stuff.

im not a spy main ive only used it in casual, but 102 isnt even a lot which justifies the infinite range it had. if i didnt hit it on a 125 class which was most likely a scout or a pyro chasing me, they just heal it back up and do the shit they were doing before it didnt even matter. if you are a scout its your own fault you got hit with it anyway. when i play against it i never get headshot even if the spy main is clearly some sort of weaboo virgin with a youtube channel.

it was by far the hardest weapon to do 100 damage with, on a class that without the dead ringer, insta loses any fight vs any class that isn't sniper/medic as long as theyre on your screen, to a point where shooting a spy just seems like wasted time and ammo that i could be using vs someone who could actually kill me. ofc this is just pubbing.

as someone who has only played vs spies in a pub scenario i dont get this gamesense mumbo jumbo at all its either you turn around and insta kill the guy or you dont and he insta kills you. its a really stupid coinflip, and nerfing the 1 other playstyle you could have with it, that was interesting to people who werent spy mains or didnt play spy at all, just makes the class a one dimensional coinflip, much more so than the other classes. spy is by far the most underpowered class right now, which is a shame given how its probably the most pubbed class. is it really that bad that it could do 100 damage from afar? and its not like they were just rattling them off only 1 shot was accurate that gave you time to get to a healthpack or dodge or kill them too. if theyre going through this route they should at least increase the accuracy of it, but that sounds like an actual issue and maybe wont even be as fun anymore cause at that point its just not as hard or rare anymore, but the class really needs some proper combat

also were not all acooma. ive never played vs a spy that could do anything annoying/significant with that gun to a point where it was noticable and like i said ive played vs tonnes of weebs and shit. its like saying we gotta nerf scout cause shrugger just ran at froyo with 9 hp so its just facking OP.

we're only looking at it in terms of casual. it was clear after the first map of that essentials cup that the new pyro shit doesn't add anything unique to be used in comp. i feel like valve and the reddit community disregard tftv's opinion because they think tftv's just out of touch with anything that isn't 6s, but thats not always true.

unless ur name is muuki, ma3la, grape or jediflamaster if u wanna do that full time pyro shit you can forget about it kiddo...

i think the majority of people who say they're pleased with it are just tired of being disappointed by valve.

the skins and contracts are nice, a much better system than the one we had before hand, but i was never into that at all so it doesn't really effect me. still a good idea by them though i guess, but the pyro shit is terrible. none of the new weapons apart from the dragons fury are even worth talking about, i guess you guys can use the gas passer in comp, but its impact is still not that significant.

i dont even really need to talk about the jetpack cause we all know its useless. it should be apart of the base pyro and have more diverse movement options in the air though, but it was a good idea, its just the way it was executed wasn't good. pyros just get shot out the sky and rushed when they use it, like everyone predicted.

the dragons fury while not overpowered at all is just stupid as fuck.to dodge it, you just hold s, which is just boring. when you're dodging a soldier or another scout or a demo, its interesting because theres different ways to fight it. the range being its downside is such a stupid way to balance it, for the pyro and the person fighting the pyro. if you're out of range you're just never getting hit and the pyros just helplessly spamming the thing, but if you are, your health goes from 125 to 20 in a sec because it does way to much damage way too quickly for the skill required to use it. every single wep that does that much damage in the game is much harder to pull off. so when a pyro just comes behind you, before you could just turn around and deal with it, but now that it kills even faster you just insta die. people who say the fact you gotta hit it 2x means that its skillful, i don't get that. doing the flare degresser thing took more skill than using this thing for sure, and thats not even as strong. why did they buff afterburn damage? that makes no sense either. you just die while the kid is just spawned simply because there's no health pack around and then you die as it spawns. there's nothing casual or good about it, its just plain stupid.

pyro is just as stupid as it always was. i think its even more stupid now for the same reasons that we all thought it was. its just that the flames are visually fixed (jediflamaster rejoice) and then everything else is just mad dumb.

the pistol is stupid. no one asked for that. why did they think that was a good idea? how many threads have we made where we asked for an accurate tracking gun, but they make these things? the amby didnt need a nerf at all and their reasoning for it is stupid as fuck because if i died to one at range i was more impressed than anything. i'd play spy when people got annoyed with me for playing scout just to use it, because it was hard, satisfying and no one got annoyed that i was killing them, but now that i can't just hit them from all ranges i just won't play the class. the bison is good it should never have been really changed in the past as im sure we can all agree on.

the most significant thing i think to take away from the balance changes is how many times we see the same weapons over and over again. its clear they don't even understand what they're doing, you guys give them the advice cause you actually play the game and understand its mechanics, and they just ignore it. it doesn't make any sense..

i can see all the flames on dx8 i dont think dx effects it

Whats the matter Caaaaaaaaaaaaaaat.

Mike wasn't bragging Hildreth. He's just saying be patient and that the team is working hard to ensure we game to the maximum. Keep calm and wait patiently for Valve to fix the bugs.

Dont say that Psi the Pyro update has breathed new life into the scene.

Anyone got contact with Jediflamaster? How does he feel about the update?

dope concept

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