nice, we made one too. Should have seen me trying to lift these, lol

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/Gmankuza/snow_man.jpg

Are you just trying to be defiant or edgy? Why can't things we enjoy have some rules? Just like in 6's TF2 how we only allow 1 demo and 1 medic. In my mind, those are good rules. They don't ruin the game, they make it a style, 6's. Different styles follow different rules. I'd say 99% of all music follows some rules and are all better for it. This isn't abstract art, fartting paint onto a canvas.

I don't want to stifle progression or artistic exploration, but everything needs some rules. Not rules put down by an oppressor, rules we add because they make things sounds better, smoother, flowing. If it's just music to listen too, then it can break more rules, but the dubstep I'm exposed too is in your face grinding off beat stuff that seems to try to be dance music.

But I agree, I listen to a lot of electronic music that's not just for dancing and it's good when it breaks a few rules. However, I have one golden rule for music I like, don't break the flow. Mainly because my mind is dancing while I listen to it. So maybe you're right, maybe I'm not exposed to the dubstep you are, but everything anyone has linked was just not good listening for me. Even the minimal stuff someone posted on the previous page isn't something I would sit around and listen too in my free time.

you break the flow, it's like when a DJ messes up a transition and starts a train wreck, it sounds like he's breaking the music because it's off beat.

I'm sorry it's so hard to understand, maybe someone else can explain it better for you. I don't see why you're so disturbed because I don't like your favorite genre of music. it's like you think that if you manage to break down my reasoning I'll like it all of a sudden. It sounds like fking crap to me, and that's not going to change. I didn't like jungle 20 years ago, just like I don't like dubstep now.

edit: yes it can and should have some rules. Music without rules breaks it's own melody and flow all the time. That's why classical isn't very good music to dance too.

edit#2: Have you ever watched people dance to house and then watch people dance to dub step? the group dancing to house are all dancing together to the beat. The group dancing to dubstep are all over the place, some people dancing to the base, some to the drum beat, some to the high hats. Then half of them don't know if they should move their legs to the beat and their arms to the fucked up melody. It's a real mess, sorry if this describes you and sounds insulting.

ya I love it, I play a lot of this.

I like how you use terms like "borders on incoherence" and I "don't get it" because you don't like me saying the music is broken or you don't understand me, again. Maybe this time you'll try to read what I'm saying properly.

That PVD track vile listed is a good example where at the 30 second mark the grind that comes in, that makes it dubstep, does not flow with the rest of the music. The whole dubstep part of the music changes the speed of the melody. You said yourself the ones you list sound nothing like "skrillex" so take the sound you're talking about, is the sound I'm talking about, breaks the fucking song. I like my music to flow, even during the break down.

Here's how I feel about it as the old man I am now;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Kod1q39ddE

I used to be a pretty big PVD fan, my wife even brought me to a party with him in NYC about 7 years ago, but the song you posted isn't my cup of tea. Starting at 30 second I find that just breaks the flow of the song. I do like a good breakdown in the middle of a house/techno/trance track, but mainly when it's just breaks.

Here's a new Electro house song I can't get out of my head:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaikPv034Hc

So I did a bit of a listen to these and you're right, they aren't all that bad, but honestly, they don't all sound like dubstep, some are so minimal they are still breaks in a 2 step.

But still, the way dubstep works, breaks music in my mind. It doesn't flow properly, the lines come in at the wrong time and don't travel the same speed as the rest of the song. I'm a break beat, electronic dance freak so I like music that is good to dance too, and I just don't see that with dubstep. Even back when it was still "jungle" I wasn't a huge fan. Sure I like to odd song, but I like the odd country song too and I generally hate country.

This to me a huge dance break track, as cheezy as DJ icey has beeen in the past, this is just has an awesome flow to me:
http://www.beatport.com/track/do-dat-original-mix/4102603

I was just referring to EDM as a group of genre not one single genre.

woah woah woah let's not be too controlling here. Considering I helped BUILD the rave scene in North American 20 years ago, I've earned the right to talk about it in it's purest form. People use the term "EDM" in place of what they used to call "techno" before people realized techno was it's own genre. I was lucky enough to throw and DJ some massive warehouse parties with the likes of Plastikman, simply jeff, the Hardkiss brothers, carl cox, john digweed, etc.. Heck I brought some guys in from Holland back in 1991 who just stayed here and never went home, lol Zadek.

What is painful for us old timers to see these days is Dub step... *shudder*

I'd rather hear more breaks and electro house, but that's just me :)

nice!! It is nerve wracking playing in front of a crowd, gj. I'm not much of a trance/prog dj these days but I can still enjoy it.

after 2 weeks I must say this is the best mouse I've used to date. I settled on the White EC1-evo. The EC1 is a little wider than the Deathadder but otherwise identical and the EC2 is a little thinner and not as long. The white version is glossy like the sides of the DA but it's not as slippery after a few weeks. The black version is like a felt like the back of the DA and I found this impossible to keep a grip on. The thumb buttons are better situated than the DA so I don't always hit it when I'm scouting.

The sensor seems just as good as the DA yet the lift off is much better. It also doesn't randomly change

Would buy again!

cream of the crop, gl!