hey, so

we'll be pushing out the (probably final?) version of viaduct very soon hopefully - if anyone has any bugs that weren't reported in this thread already with the current version, or if anyone has any suggestions on how to make the map better visually (something else we'll try to do with this version), please let us know

changelog (includes some pro4 -> 5 changes as pro5 wasn't really played in any leagues etc)
http://pastebin.com/2cLuuZB7
very likely to be missing some stuff because me and fubar are both too lazy to remember to make lists of things that are changed as they're done

DOWNLOAD: http://www.filedropper.com/plbarnblitzpro6

note: if your version varies from the version on serveme, or on this download link, you will need to redownload - there was a mistake with leaving an incomplete version public that got circulated through tf2center a bit

maybe not, I'd rather have a slow nerf over a few versions if necessary rather than taking a baseball bat straight to the snipers knees though, we'll see

thanks for the feedback.

unlikely to push out a new version just for these fixes after a day of release, but maybe it'll get fixed later in the future when we (inevitably) have a bigger list of things to fix

they're the main balance changes yeah, otherwise there's a metric fuckton of bugfixes

I'll post up a shit changelog now, but it'll be missing a bunch of stuff probably

but yeah, we weren't really intending on making drastic changes cause it's already a really solid map and there's no point changing things for the sake of variety, just tweaked balance a bit

if anyone feels like taking pics for me to put in the OP for some of the balance changes listed that'd be swell

yep

http://forums.tf2maps.net/downloads.php?do=file&id=5958

I'll edit in a changelog, but we've had this compiled for like 2 days already so it makes no sense putting it off further :D

changelog (probably missing a bunch of stuff)

some pics, sorry for the terrible quality

shortened china, removed railings

http://puu.sh/dQibf/5ad0694d60.jpg

heightened bridge, sightline differences from shortened china + rock shape (this is standing on the very edge of china)

http://puu.sh/dP9IP/98b56f6000.jpg

(compared to pro_rc4 http://puu.sh/dPa3N/6ce879be97.jpg - crappy gif to compare the 2 http://i.imgur.com/dDnu49t.gif)

anyone confirmed a legit UK vendor?

if you do more than one of these events it'd be cool to see one with only what are considered 'good/broken' unlocks allowed.

There's a lot of shite and I think the temptation to pick it may be too much

the pastebin was probably mine

me and fubar have worked together (well, fubar doing all of the real work) for a long time so he's seen it, but I'll post it over here for others to look at

http://etf2l.org/forum/maps/topic-30481/

the pastebin is in the OP, there's a few other things suggested by others that we agreed to so I'll post the entire thread

that isn't relevant to my point though, my point is that a LOT of comp players still hold these (incorrect) images of how broken a weapon is, because they play with them when they first come out, they get banned from HL/6v6 instantly, and then any rebalance is only played by the few who actually try many different weapons in pubs/read patchnotes entirely (which in itself is flawed when valve add so many undocumented changes).

the pomson hasn't penetrated players for over 2 years and I think you citing this example is indicative of a lot (not all) of the attitudes towards banned weapons in general

for those who're playing the map and then going into lobbies/scrims/whatever

the new map seemingly fucks up shooting animations too sometimes - I don't know if it's for everyone, but for me and a few others that I've asked, hitscan weapons will shoot twice on client-side whenever you shoot. This'll persist once you change map. To fix, just restart your game. I'll make a video eventually to show what I mean

EDIT:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfiAeEgv3W0

doesn't seem to be tied to just loading up the map, so maybe it's a spell or the bumper cars or something

who cares about silly things like balance when there's new hats

turns out they buffed gunslinger too

if you're repositioning a building usually, you move at 270 units (default is 300 units) - when moving minisentries you move at the full 300 now...