Hey,

Fubar and I will be pushing out a new version of barnblitz this month, and we'd like any constructive feedback that people have.

We're aiming to be a little more experimental with this version than in the past, here's the current proposed changelog
http://pastebin.com/ARsqFvWJ

It's worth noting that, according to comp.tf, barnblitz pro6 went unplayed in any UGC season, and there were some pretty large changes made from pro4 to pro6 - here is an incomplete changelog between those 2 versions http://pastebin.com/2cLuuZB7

As such, if UGC was the last time you played the map, there's a fair chance that your complaints have been addressed already (ie: difficulty pushing last).

But yeah, any feedback/suggestions would be appreciated

it's something we discussed in a previous thread about a month ago before there was any hint of a maps workshop. If your opinion that 'the whole thing being rushed' extends further than naming conventions, understand that all previously posted about bugs that were fixable were fixed in this version, so it's not like the map just had a new name slapped on it and that was all.

I'll edit this post and provide pictures in a sec, but if you build a sentry on the boxes at last and plan to upgrade it from that position, when jumping at the box, you can get stuck in the clipping a bit

EDIT: I forgot about this but yeah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXsFLCOkFIU&feature=youtu.be

ignore the audio, was watching a stream

http://fakkelbrigade.eu/maps/koth_viaduct_pro7.bsp

I'd feel bad making another thread after like 3 days :D

changelog (probably missing stuff as always because me and fubar are bad at this)

known bugs (we can't fix them before release as fubar is gone for a while and there's no point postponing this as it's still a 'clearly' better version)

it'd be cool if people could give feedback on giraffe's points - a lot of them I can understand, but it comes down to whether people think they are necessary, namely:

does it really make hiding there more awkward? I think it can make the spot even harder to scout people being there for one, and even if that isn't the case I'm unsure on whether it's a big deal - I don't think all props should be removed if it doesn't have a positive impact on the map (coming from a 'declutter' freak)

this is one I can understand more but once again it comes down to what people think, I don't really want everything 'visual' removed from the map for the sake of purity

fubar didn't want this for his own reasons and I didn't think it mattered enough to make a big deal about it, so it's up to him

I can understand it, but too much of that grey fence will make the map really ugly looking I think, so it comes down to whether people consider it a big deal once again

thoughts guys?

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5181650/viarock2.jpg

before and after of the rock hitbox for next version

it's not like we didn't fix literally every suggestion made on the pro5 thread

I could I guess, or someone could on my behalf if they want who already has an admin on steam friends

a potential solution to the fence thing in the future is to add some 'diagonal' blockbullet from the tip of the boards that stick out to the panel itself, which would mean you couldn't stick stickies in the very corner, but could stick them to the panel - the whole change could be reverted if necessary, but it's not really optimal

well, seems there are already some 'big' bugs found, so there's a good chance we'll push out a new version very quickly

if anyone has extra feedback, that would be great

current bugs:
clipping on the rock is kinda messed up for some reason
http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/716413223216806321/B8C180F29ED3865518EDE6CECBB9FFD9DD324652/
random hole
http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/716413223216829815/956B2016C28FA7F154CD8722BD5D516E8F209849/
remove this box
http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/716413223216843366/1C52B679E4D64688D8C4934C365B8F290208FA44/

EDIT: apparently the rock bug was around in pro5 regardless, so this is still a direct improvement, and not much can be done about it unfortunately...

main guy to thank is fubar - I mostly just gather feedback/screen suggestions/come up with ideas/poke fubar, he's the one who does the actual work

http://fakkelbrigade.eu/maps/koth_viaduct_pro6.bsp

mostly a lot of minor bugfixes, and some visual stuff (lighting, retextures, some prop stuff etc)

balance changes I can come up with (very minor)

- white fence behind point is shortened, it doesn't DRASTICALLY nerf the spot for sniper, but it's something
- some props have been swapped out for boxes to reduce splashbugs, they should still be very comparable shapes and the ones that you couldn't build on before, you still can't now etc
- skybox was raised

this will very likely be the last version before we push to final with the bugs that are reported here

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5181650/koth_viaduct_pro60006.jpg

probably what we'll go with

so, I've asked more than 10 top players from 6s + HL now, and this has turned out to be an INCREDIBLY divisive request - half think it's a good thing, useful for dodging etc, the other half think it's not (because of it being either annoying or OP, both being good reasons of course), so at the moment I'm unsure on how to proceed.

one 'compromise' option is to chop it down as suggested by comanglia - maybe making it a tad shorter as well as taking a little off of either side or something like that. Making it shorter is very likely to have the unintended side effect of giving him even more cover though...

http://puu.sh/hn4T1/00a62bcab4.jpg

there's a picture if anyone wants to have a go at MS paint mockups or something

not happening I think, not convinced that it's really needed, but if everyone speaks out strongly about it, it can be done

the map is already getting very close to finish with all of the changes listed in this thread (and some that fubar initially dismissed as implausible)

quick teaser image showing the team coloured houses and the fixed lighting on china among other things (I play with bad settings so this probably will look more pretty for others)
http://puu.sh/hmNSq/e7ce20615c.jpg