back again everyone, playing more of these at 5PM EST TODAY! last few tests have been amazing!

say whatever you want on here as you will that's cool, but please don't sit here and call my opinions extreme when I literally sit there and debate with you or anyone else I've talked to and given completely valid reasoning to the other side of the argument.

I like hearing other peoples opinions, and i have listened to plenty outside of this forum and the invite meeting, you just literally choose to ignore it when people give you their side of the argument and think we are just blindly coming out with random bullshit to support our views.

to clarify, I don't think the entire map pool should be changed, I believe that badlands and granary are outdated maps that aren't receiving the proper updates or being worked on enough to justify them being in the rotation over new maps like logjam or propaganda that are being worked on literally daily. This is the exact same reasoning that was used in the invite meeting to justify the removal of cardinal is that the map is not seeing any updates in the near future that we know about, therefore there isn't a point in continuing to playtest it in leagues, which is a point i agree with and also vocalized during this meeting (and that cardinal should be removed despite being a player and part of a team who plays the map frequently)

Ill remind you I am literally the only NA based player making an effort to get map testing done and to directly work with map makers to adapt their maps for 6v6 and to keep map makers around on the other side of things cause any of them will tell you, they were all about to fade out into non-existence. No gave a shit to even playtest the maps they work very hard and long hours on, while a majority of the community will sit here and complain about maps in the rotation and make literally 0 effort to change while we slowly slide into playing the same 8 maps for the rest of TF2's life in 6v6.

say whatever you want about this topic on this forum that's cool, I'm in the minority opinion and thats fine and I will always respect tri's decisions for the league. But don't try to make me look like some narrowminded and headstrong person whose opinion isn't relevant when Im Literally the only person currently bringing new maps into 6v6 in any way in NA or testing them (which you are not or your million other invite friends you talk to are not.)

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There should have been a round robin and no other decision was going to be a good one

This will result in literally nothing being changed, teams will just ban prop every game and continue to play the same rotation of maps they played in previous seasons cause you’re just replacing the map no one was willing to play anyways. It seems people like propaganda more and it could have more of a a chance, but if you just swap it with cardinal it will likely result in it never being played and then you’re back to square 1.

I agree tho that cardinal without updates in the near future shouldn’t be in the rotation but the maps people end up playing will actually change if you replace granary or badlands + cardinal. Badlands and granary aren’t going to be fixed just like cardinal (prolands really doesn’t address the large issues with the map imo) so they should be phased out

Hey everyone, I’m gonna be running pugs today at 5 est! First come first serve basis, come play some really fun new maps!

One of the best upcoming maps, playtests have been so promising on this one and Brandini is an amazing guy to work with, major props and the map is looking gorgeousness deluxe

love the changes! so so good, i love this map and cant wait to play it again with the changes

map is hella fun, thanks for bringing it back and for your hard work bereth :)

STALAGMITES POG

anyone can come playtest 100% :)

bump, looking for participants, add me and join the discord :)

I mean, making decisions based on NA VS EU play that might never actually happen again or happen pretty rarely isn’t smart imo, each region should just do what they want

Propaganda is a very good and completely league ready map with a developer who updates daily, definitely should be played if you guys want another 5cp, but this goes for Paper as well (who is the developer of ordinance)

This map is super unique and fun and was a pleasure to playtest, really excited for what the future holds on this map!!